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icantfindaname posted:you could make a pretty strong case IMO that upper-middle class professional and creative types are more of a problem in our politics than the billionaires I guess they do represent more votes total, and help to disseminate the messages created by the billionaires. As a resident of a state that was hosed thoroughly by the Kochs and their puppet Scott Walker, though, I can't really point at the doctor down two streets over and go "He's the problem!"
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I am so worried about an out of context quote on twitter that I must ignore the wealth of evidence that Perez intends to make significant changes to DNC strategy.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I guess they do represent more votes total, and help to disseminate the messages created by the billionaires. As a resident of a state that was hosed thoroughly by the Kochs and their puppet Scott Walker, though, I can't really point at the doctor down two streets over and go "He's the problem!" as a Wisconsinite myself, no it's literally nearly 100% the fault of upper-middle class white assholes in the Milwaukee suburbs that the state has gone to hell they're not the liberal upper-middle class, but still
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JeffersonClay posted:I am so worried about an out of context quote on twitter that I must ignore the wealth of evidence that Perez intends to make significant changes to DNC strategy. *dusts off the ol' quotinator* quote:The new chair of the Democratic National Committee acknowledged the party made mistakes in its past election strategy and has work ahead to win more seats at all levels of government. theeere we go.
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Feb 27, 2017 16:51
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SKULL.GIF posted:I want to pick at this in particular. These household incomes still aren't even part of the 1% in many areas of America. (Obviously in the Rust Belt or something it's way up there.) People have a tendency to think of others who make 2x to 5x what they do as Very Wealthy, because it's really really loving difficult for the majority of people to wrap their heads around just how loving much money the people who are loving us are actually earning. They're out of sight and they're out of mind, and no one can really conceive of just how completely alien and different their lives and realities are from our 9-5-and-come-home existences. Very well pointed out. It's the old "lebron james is rich, the guy signing his checks is wealthy." I'm still stuck on how it's bad that a prestigious university has a high median income for its alumni. 
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Feb 27, 2017 17:02
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Nevvy Z posted:Very well pointed out. It's the old "lebron james is rich, the guy signing his checks is wealthy." The real headline here is that the median family income for loving stanford grads is only 150K. Jesus christ.
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Feb 27, 2017 17:07
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:only 150K. Jesus christ. Great stuff for the workers party to say.
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icantfindaname posted:as a Wisconsinite myself, no it's literally nearly 100% the fault of upper-middle class white assholes in the Milwaukee suburbs that the state has gone to hell From personal experience, not even the liberal upper middle class actually wants to change things that much beyond social issues. Granted why would they? They already live comfortable lives, and the status quo has given them a favorable degrees of power and self-confidence. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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joepinetree posted:Anyone who claims that "safe space" has anything to do with academic discussions and opposing points of view is a clueless idiot. The idea of safe spaces on campus was never applied to inside a classroom or to political debates. Racism and sexual assault are not apolitical issues. Reactionaries derive their views on black people and women from their ideological need for hierarchy- not the other way around. Toxic masculinity was definitely bred out of this as well.
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So, dudes, how are dems taking Perez now that some time has passed? Did we lose the young people and have to win them back again?
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Nevvy Z posted:Very well pointed out. It's the old "lebron james is rich, the guy signing his checks is wealthy." 
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Racism and sexual assault are not apolitical issues. Reactionaries derive their views on black people and women from their ideological need for hierarchy- not the other way around. Toxic masculinity was definitely bred out of this as well. Patriarchy only started existing in the 16th century, being a creation of capitalism.
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Brainiac Five posted:Patriarchy only started existing in the 16th century, being a creation of capitalism. Augustus' anti-aldultery laws don’t count?
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Augustus' anti-aldultery laws don’t count? I'm making fun of "racism and sexism are because of ideological belief in hierarchy", since it's either tautological or bullshit.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Racism and sexual assault are not apolitical issues. Reactionaries derive their views on black people and women from their ideological need for hierarchy- not the other way around. Toxic masculinity was definitely bred out of this as well. I didn't say they were apolitical. I said that safe spaces do not apply to political debates. As in, when a sexual assault victims support group decides that their meetings are safe space, it is because they don't want it to be a debate with people who think date rape isn't "legitimate rape." Which doesn't prevent that "debate" from happening elsewhere, as evidenced by the dozens of people like Milo who make a living off of student government fees to come to campus and give the republican talking points of the day. But I guess at this point you are being intentionally obtuse. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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WampaLord posted:Great stuff for the workers party to say. You're god drat right it is. 150K as a median, family income is a shockingly low figure for an ivy league school. First of all, we're talking median, not mean, so you can safely assume that that number is pulled drastically upward by a minority of extremely high earners. Second of all, in New York, Chicago, San Francisco or LA, that is absolutely a middle class wage for a family of 4, and I guarantee you the people earning that are not out in the sticks where you can buy a house for 40 grand. A college educated family of 4 earning 150K in a major city center is not the enemy of the working class. If that's who you're angry at, you are deeply misinformed.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:First of all, we're talking median, not mean, so you can safely assume that that number is pulled drastically upward by a minority of extremely high earners congrats on failing middle school stats
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Feb 27, 2017 18:18
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Didn't you read icantfindaname's post? The real bourgeoisie aren't the people who control capital, but artists and professional workers. We must, as leftists, destroy all art and media and kill all the lawyers and social workers.
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When you guys say the DNC should turn to Bernie to ask what's next, you guys mean the DNC should turn to the people who ran his digital organizing, right?
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icantfindaname posted:these words don't mean what you think they mean Outliers also affect the median. That's what being part of the professional/creative class gets you.
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Feb 27, 2017 18:20
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:A college educated family of 4 earning 150K in a major city center is not the enemy of the working class. If that's who you're angry at, you are deeply misinformed. I'm not angry at them, I'm angry at you for calling $150,000 "only" in any sense. Even if you live in a high CoL area, that is a lot of money. You will have every need fulfilled. You will not struggle to survive. To say "only $150k" is out of touch as gently caress. I make $40k, there are millions more making less than that and you want their votes too.
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Brainiac Five posted:Didn't you read icantfindaname's post? The real bourgeoisie aren't the people who control capital, but artists and professional workers. We must, as leftists, destroy all art and media and kill all the lawyers and social workers. They control human capital, so yes, bourgeois
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i am the bird posted:When you guys say the DNC should turn to Bernie to ask what's next, you guys mean the DNC should turn to the people who ran his digital organizing, right? Nah, we mean "fire liberals and liberalism into the sun, and start over"
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WampaLord posted:I'm not angry at them, I'm angry at you for calling $150,000 "only" in any sense. Agreed, let's not think and just live via the gut.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:No one expected bush Obama or trump four years before the election. No one will predict the next winner 4 years out this time. Barack Obama's 2004 DNC was literally followed up with "this guy's going to run for president, probably in 2008" by media outlets. Nobody who saw his speech and paid even the slightest attention to politics was surprised when he ran.
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TheRat posted:"fire liberals and liberalism into the sun, and start over" *cool 90s kid turning away from his computer and giving the thumbs up*
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Brainiac Five posted:Didn't you read icantfindaname's post? The real bourgeoisie aren't the people who control capital, but artists and professional workers. We must, as leftists, destroy all art and media and kill all the lawyers and social workers. By the way the real answer to this is to make college/professional/creative class education as freely available to the public and encouraged as possible. Centrist dems don't want to do that though
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icantfindaname posted:They control human capital, so yes, bourgeois What in the goddamn? What the gently caress is this? Just go spree shoot at an art gallery or something instead of writing posts like these.
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Brainiac Five posted:What in the goddamn? What the gently caress is this? Just go spree shoot at an art gallery or something instead of writing posts like these. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_capital
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icantfindaname posted:congrats on failing middle school stats lol whoops my point still stands, though. If you're earning 150K as an individual without any dependents, you still have to triple your income before you're part of the 1% club. You are squarely in the top end of the consumer class. You are not part of the rent seeking class yet, and you have a long way to go to get there. If you're earning 150K with 3 dependents in a city, you're treading water.
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No, you idiot child, you need to explain how human capital is controlled by sculptors instead of scampering away into your rathole.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:lol whoops Imagine someone with 3 dependents making $50k in a city! *gasp* Perish the though, that must never happen.
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WampaLord posted:Imagine someone with 3 dependents making $50k in a city! *gasp* Perish the though, that must never happen. At least there's no one with 3 dependents making $25k in a city. Liberals would never allow that to happen.
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WampaLord posted:I'm not angry at them, I'm angry at you for calling $150,000 "only" in any sense. A family making 150k in NYC/SF/DC is fulfilling their needs about as much as a similar family in the middle of nowhere making half that.
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WampaLord posted:Imagine someone with 3 dependents making $50k in a city! *gasp* Perish the though, that must never happen. Let's kill everyone that attended an elite university, the swine.
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There are millions of people in Bangladesh poorer than just about every American, so nobody can talk about poverty and the cost of living in America now.
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TyrantWD posted:A family making 150k in NYC/SF/DC is fulfilling their needs about as much as a similar family in the middle of nowhere making half that. Trust me, I weep for them on a regular basis. The horror. They might have to get a smaller house or a used car. My heart breaks.
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effectronica reduced to making fox news arguments about the poor having refrigerators and being better off than bangladeshis. a very sad state of affairs
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Ideally, people who went to college would be marched out into the countryside and worked to death. Serves them right for living in cities, the root of all evil.
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