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Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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lozzle posted:

Wait are you serious. That wasn't a Democrat idea to gently caress the GOP over? They did it to themselves?

See above.

I think the CA republicans are probably a bit like what I've seen you guys say the Florida dems are like. Deeply and possibly terminally incompetent.

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comingafteryouall: Aug 2, 2011

Anybody else see Maddow last night, where she was talking about Obama's plans to wade into the gerrymandering fight and fight for state-level Democrats?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/obama-to-fight-back-on-redistricting-for-dems-792796227532

With Obama lighting a fire under asses, we will avoid a situation like 2010. Or at least avoid as bad a loss in 2018.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:51

lozzle: Oct 22, 2012; by zen death robot

Northjayhawk posted:

If you have two left of center parties and one right of center party, and they contested a senate seat in, hell lets even say its a blue state, say Washington and the two left-wing candidates together get 60% split evenly 30%/30%, the one right wing candidate would win that seat with their 40 and the other two parties get aced out even though combined they had more votes. Its more efficient for the two left of center candidates to come together and battle for the direction of the party internally or in primaries before the election to decide who gets to run against the right wing candidate.

We have a Top 2 primary system here in Washington so that could never happen to us. :smugbert:

In fact we were the first to come up with it! :eng101:

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:52

Complaint Compilation: Apr 8, 2016

eviltastic posted:

The brain thing Adams had wasn't an injury, it was spasmodic dysphonia. Same kind of thing Diane Rehm has, but apparently a lot worse for him at the time.

Wow, I listen to her show all the time! I thought she was just like 200 with a steel-trap brain. I feel like a dick now.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:52

Aves Maria!: Jul 26, 2008; Maybe I'll drown

Alec Bald Snatch posted:

well in that case yeah there's no way in hell they're gonna go after senior senators who raise tons of cash

also you don't get to stick around that long without the party muckety-mucks being your pals anyway

the only real exception to the buddy system is obama peeling off enough support in the run-up to 2008 to beat clinton

Yeah, the only plausible reason for the Democrats to turn on them would be because Obama/Clinton decided to direct the party apparatus to do so. Which would never happen, unless Schumer/Feinstein decided to go full kamikaze and destroy all of Clinton's initiatives for no apparent reason.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:53

Bip Roberts: Mar 29, 2005

TyrantWD posted:

I'm far beyond that point and well into the "burn it all down" stage. We need a "reverse" Armageddon where we knock an asteroid onto a collision course with earth. There is no fixing what we have got.

Be the change you desire for the world.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:53

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Gail Wynand posted:

German taxes are similarly complicated from what I've heard.

That really depends. In a lot of situations you can also simply not file any taxes at all, legally, and it's all done automatically by your employer.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:54

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Josef bugman posted:

I think the CA republicans are probably a bit like what I've seen you guys say the Florida dems are like. Deeply and possibly terminally incompetent.

Arnold Schwarzenegger was their best bet at governor.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:55

bowser: Apr 7, 2007

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/791053172093640706

Hillary's ad team for President. They've just been incredible.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:55

eviltastic: Feb 8, 2004; Fan of Britches

Complaint Compilation posted:

Wow, I listen to her show all the time! I thought she was just like 200 with a steel-trap brain. I feel like a dick now.

Not 200, but she is eighty years old.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:54

Northjayhawk: Mar 8, 2008; by exmarx

lozzle posted:

We have a Top 2 primary system here in Washington so that could never happen to us.

In fact we were the first to come up with it!

In that case, the reason we still have just the two parties is that we are culturally indoctrinated from birth into believing the general election is two parties, and voting for anyone else is a waste of your vote. If you have a state with a jungle primary, voters are still going to vote Dem or GOP, and that third party weirdo wont be taken seriously.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:56

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

lozzle posted:

Wait are you serious? That wasn't a Democrat idea to gently caress the GOP over? They did it to themselves?

It makes more sense when you realize California state legislature districts used to be very gerrymandered in the Republicans' favor, and it took a change to a new district commission with fair borders to get the Democrats the supermajority they should have had for a long time.

If things had stayed unfixed with the districts, the jungle primary system would have made it easier for the Republicans to hold onto seats in shaky districts, which would have allowed them to prevent the supermajorities needed to raise taxes etc (because California has had a LOT of propositions pass that require supermajorities to raise taxes, do a lot of spending changes, etc). Effectively it was a gambit to keep the state budget hosed over so services would be cut back.

fishmech fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Oct 26, 2016

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:56

FuturePastNow: May 19, 2014

Hi, if you're an American working abroad and you pay taxes to both the US and the country you live in and you're not getting a credit from one of them for the taxes paid to the other, you should probably pay someone who knows how to do taxes to do your taxes.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:57

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

Holy poo poo!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/25/trump-halts-big-money-fundraising-cutting-off-cash-to-the-party/

quote:

Trump stops holding high-dollar fundraisers that were raising big cash for the GOP

By Matea Gold

October 25 at 5:58 PM ��

This post has been updated.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has no further high-dollar fundraising events planned for the remainder of the campaign, dealing another serious blow to the GOP's effort to finance its get-out-the-vote operation before Election Day.

Steven Mnuchin, Trump's national finance chairman, said in an interview with The Washington Post on Tuesday that Trump Victory, a joint fundraising committee between the party and the campaign, held its last formal fundraiser on Oct. 19. The luncheon was in Las Vegas on the day of the final presidential debate.

��We��ve kind of wound down,�� Mnuchin said, referring to formal fundraisers. ��But the online fundraising continues to be strong.��

While Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton is headlining her last fundraiser Tuesday night in Miami, her campaign has scheduled 41 other events between now and Nov. 3 featuring high-profile surrogates such as her daughter, Chelsea, running mate Tim Kaine and the entertainer Cher, according to a schedule sent to donors this weekend.

Trump's campaign is continuing to bring in donations that will boost the party, but the lack of a formal fundraising schedule effectively turns off one of the main spigots to the Republican National Committee. The national party collected $40 million through Trump Victory as of Sept. 30. The RNC has relied on the funds to help pay for hundreds of field staffers deployed across the country as part of its national ground operation, which is working to turn out voters to support the entire Republican ticket.

RNC officials said that party leaders, including Chairman Reince Priebus, are continuing to bring in resources for the party. ��The RNC continues to fundraise for the entire GOP ticket,�� said spokeswoman Lindsay Walters.

New York financier Lew Eisenberg, the top fundraiser for the RNC and chairman of Trump Victory, said that he has been working "in a united effort" with Mnuchin to "continue to raise money from major donors" through phone calls and impromptu events.

"Unlike the period from June 1 to today, we have no organized calendar of events for the next 14 days," Eisenberg said. "Rather, when the opportunity presents itself, we will have ad hoc fundraisers" with Trump and his running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence. In addition, he said, "our state finance chairs will continuing to be raising major donor money for the foreseeable future."

Mnuchin said the Trump campaign decided to keep the candidate's final weeks focused on taking his message to the voters in person rather than on raising money. The GOP candidate held a small Trump Victory event in Florida this week, and there may be a handful of more high-dollar fundraisers in coming days featuring Trump surrogates, including his son Donald Jr., according to people familiar with the internal discussions. But Mnuchin said ��there is virtually nothing planned.��

��We have minimized his fundraising schedule over the last month to emphasize his focus on political [events],�� Mnuchin said. ��Unlike Hillary, who has been fundraising and not out and about, he has constantly been out and about.��

Mnuchin noted that the Trump campaign continues to help bring in donations for the party from individual donors who are writing big checks, as well as through online contributions. ��We continue to do fundraising with the party,�� he said.

Mnuchin said Trump does not need high-dollar fundraisers, because his campaign is being buoyed by online donations, which he said are on track to hit a record in October.

��We couldn��t be more pleased with how the fundraising has gone,�� he said, adding: ��We have big media buys, we have a terrific ground game.��

But the RNC gets only 20 percent of the money that Trump raises online in conjunction with the party, while the vast majority of the big checks contributed to Trump Victory are routed to the party.

Trump, who did not begin fundraising in earnest until late May, has lagged far behind his Democratic rival. As of Sept. 30, his campaign had raised $219 million to Clinton's $499 million.

Still, Mnuchin said, ��we couldn��t be happier with the resources.�� He said that the campaign held a series of high-dollar events earlier this month and followed up after the Las Vegas debate with a day of phone calls to major donors to secure contributions.

Trump has also boosted his bid with his own resources. But while the businessman has repeatedly vowed to put $100 million into the effort, campaign finance reports show that he has given just $56 million so far.

Mnuchin declined to comment on when �X or if �X Trump intends to put in the remaining $44 million. ��He has been very supportive of the campaign with his contributions,�� Mnuchin said.

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Northjayhawk: Mar 8, 2008; by exmarx

FuturePastNow posted:

Hi, if you're an American working abroad and you pay taxes to both the US and the country you live in and you're not getting a credit from one of them for the taxes paid to the other, you should probably pay someone who knows how to do taxes to do your taxes.

I was wondering about that. I assumed you'd be getting a credit somewhere, at least a partial one. Paying full freight to both countries just seems unfair to me.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 00:59

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

fishmech posted:

It makes more sense when you realize California state legislature districts used to be very gerrymandered in the Republicans' favor, and it took a change to a new district commission with fair borders to get the Democrats the supermajority they should have had for a long time.

If things had stayed unfixed with the districts, the jungle primary system would have made it easier for the Republicans to hold onto seats in shaky districts, which would have allowed them to prevent the supermajorities needed to raise taxes etc (because California has had a LOT of propositions pass that require supermajorities to raise taxes, do a lot of spending changes, etc). Effectively it was a gambit to keep the state budget hosed over so services would be cut back.

and the citizens redistricting commission initiative was mainly supported by republicans, and opposed by the state democratic party.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:01

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Charlz Guybon posted:

Holy poo poo!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/25/trump-halts-big-money-fundraising-cutting-off-cash-to-the-party/

This is going to be good.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:00

Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

Josef bugman posted:

I think the CA republicans are probably a bit like what I've seen you guys say the Florida dems are like. Deeply and possibly terminally incompetent.

well it started with pete wilson and prop 187 and they've never recovered

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:00

comingafteryouall: Aug 2, 2011

Holy poo poo, the Onion finally figured out how to handle the Trump campaign. Just go with the flow.

The Onion Humbly Offers Up Its Offices To Imprison The Women Who Have Wrongfully Accused Donald Trump

quote:

In recent weeks, a dozen women have come forward alleging that presidential nominee Donald J. Trump made unwanted sexual advances on them. Each of these accusers has operated, seemingly in collusion, with the sole intention of spreading outrageous falsehoods to undermine a man of great esteem and resources. Not only has this rank slander dealt a grievous blow to Mr. Trump�s reputation, but the words of these women have stained America�s legacy of fair and respectable electoral politics, and we at this newspaper can no longer stand idly by while such brazen and criminal defamation goes unpunished.

It is with this in mind that the editorial board of The Onion has unanimously voted, with all due humility, to offer up our offices to imprison the women who have wrongfully assailed Mr. Trump�s honor and good name.

We urge the public to recall that Mr. Trump is not only a globally successful businessman with a net worth in the billions of dollars, but also an aspirant to this nation�s highest office. As such, these accusations�all of them libelous and wildly defamatory�stand to profoundly erode his stature in the public eye at this critical juncture in the election cycle, which is why those responsible must be made an example of. Moving with all due haste to incarcerate these women within The Onion�s detention cells would, in our opinion, put a swift and resounding end to their present smear campaign and further act to dissuade future maligners from coming forward.

Indeed, even if Mr. Trump did commit an act or two of those which he has been accused, shouldn�t his immense prestige give him license to make a mistake here or there without it tarnishing his character and jeopardizing his chances at elected office?
The editorial board of this newspaper has taken the liberty of readying a private security unit to find these women wherever they may be hiding, apprehend them with all necessary force, and remove them from the society that they, through their cowardly actions, have forfeited their right to be a part of. We ask only for the assent of Mr. Trump himself.

We recognize that the Trump campaign may have questions about The Onion�s prison facilities and whether the conditions within them will be sufficiently isolating and punitive in light of the egregious character assaults these women have leveled against the Republican candidate. The editors of this newspaper would like to assure Mr. Trump and his staff that The Onion takes incarceration very seriously. Indeed, our detainment complex is recognized as one of the world�s premier black sites for extraordinary rendition by many foreign intelligence agencies, and we presently confine hundreds of dissidents and activists on behalf of our government partners in North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, and elsewhere.

Allow us to further assuage any doubts by elaborating on the conditions these liars and conspirators can expect while imprisoned within our headquarters:

1. Each woman will be housed in one of the 1,500 detainment chambers situated in 12 tiers between floors 92 and 104 of our office tower, likely in cell blocks 1-B or 3-F, which have been newly vacated following recent liquidation orders from the Chinese Standing Committee.

2. Like all of our cells, theirs will be constructed of double-fortified concrete and lack any windows or discernible entryways, ensuring these women will have no possible contact with the outside world to further disparage Mr. Trump.

3. Our professional prison staff, consisting of 156 Revolutionary Guard�trained wardens, will administer requisite discipline to these women daily consistent with the severity of their deception.

4. They will face immediate removal to the manual labor camp in our office�s sublevels should they not fully denounce their allegations as the mere fabrications they are.

5. Each woman will appear in a video recording, which we will distribute to all media outlets, formally recanting her fictitious claims and personally apologizing to Mr. Trump for the suffering she has caused him.

If the potential for escape is a reason for concern, Mr. Trump, rest assured that The Onion has operated private correctional facilities since the Spanish-American War, when we successfully detained the most violent and wily of Spaniards, and not a single prison break has ever been successfully orchestrated from our confines. For more than 100 years, The Onion�s prisons have held the most cunning inmates, ranging from French traitor Alfred Dreyfus, to the seditious operatives exposed by Sen. Joseph McCarthy, to Salman Rushdie. We would warmly welcome the addition of these women who have so contemptibly borne false witness against a political standard-bearer and American icon.

Indeed, even if Mr. Trump did commit an act or two of those which he has been accused, shouldn�t his immense prestige give him license to make a mistake here or there without it tarnishing his character and jeopardizing his chances at elected office? We most certainly believe so.

It is The Onion�s firm conviction that in order for civility in our republic to endure, those seeking to lead the people must be freed from fear of scurrilous aspersions that threaten the very governance of our nation. Only through vigilant prosecution and punishment of those responsible for impugning Donald J. Trump�s character can we secure this noble aim. Anything less would be a dishonor to the very tenets upon which this newspaper was founded.

Mr. Trump, we await your permission to incarcerate these deceitful women. It would be our distinct privilege.

http://www.theonion.com/article/onion-humbly-offers-its-offices-imprison-women-who-54510

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:02

A Winner is Jew: Feb 14, 2008; by exmarx

Alec Bald Snatch posted:

well it started with pete wilson and prop 187 and they've never recovered

Yeah, 187 lit a fire under the rear end of Hispanics that never really voted and now come out in droves for democrats but unfortunately against gay marriage in 2008.

As a reminder, Trump is literally prop 187 nation wide. :getin:

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:03

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

edit: ^^^ and yeah trump is basically proposition 187 nationwide.

Alec Bald Snatch posted:

well it started with pete wilson and prop 187 and they've never recovered

prop 187 was the california republicans shooting themselves in the foot.

the citizens redistricting and top two primary was them shooting themselves in the face.

Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Oct 26, 2016

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:02

Goatman Sacks: Apr 4, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

comingafteryouall posted:

Anybody else see Maddow last night, where she was talking about Obama's plans to wade into the gerrymandering fight and fight for state-level Democrats?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/obama-to-fight-back-on-redistricting-for-dems-792796227532

With Obama lighting a fire under asses, we will avoid a situation like 2010. Or at least avoid as bad a loss in 2018.

This makes sense, I'm sure Obama knows the biggest reason he's not going to be remembered as "one of the greats" is because his mid terms results were terrible and the House results are cooked.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:04

Northjayhawk: Mar 8, 2008; by exmarx

Iowa does it pretty well, I think. The CA commission can still draw very weird districts, it just isn't under the control of a party. The people tasked to draw Iowa's borders have to make them as compact as possible, supposedly without regard for where incumbents live, and preferably just sticking to county lines when possible.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:04

Goatman Sacks: Apr 4, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/791067927273504768

hrm.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:05

lozzle: Oct 22, 2012; by zen death robot

Northjayhawk posted:

In that case, the reason we still have just the two parties is that we are culturally indoctrinated from birth into believing the general election is two parties, and voting for anyone else is a waste of your vote. If you have a state with a jungle primary, voters are still going to vote Dem or GOP, and that third party weirdo wont be taken seriously.

One of our perennial wackadoo independent candidates, Goodspaceguy (yes that's his name--his entire name), did manage to escape the primary process for Seattle Port Commissioner one year. He didn't fare so well in his bid for governor this year though...

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:07

Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

A Winner is Jew posted:

As a reminder, Trump is literally prop 187 nation wide.

the more things change the more they stay the same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smmkTHk6qC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGJzMzW3kuY

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:06

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

This is a few pages late but man is Chuck Schumer going to be a terrible Senate leader.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:06

Bip Roberts: Mar 29, 2005

edit: wrong thread

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:07

Sensible Thursday: Jul 28, 2007

Goatman Sacks posted:

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/791067927273504768

hrm.

Unrated at http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:08

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

comingafteryouall posted:

Anybody else see Maddow last night, where she was talking about Obama's plans to wade into the gerrymandering fight and fight for state-level Democrats?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/obama-to-fight-back-on-redistricting-for-dems-792796227532

With Obama lighting a fire under asses, we will avoid a situation like 2010. Or at least avoid as bad a loss in 2018.

You know I never considered this but it makes a ton of sense that of all things Obama would be perma-pissed over the 2010 elections. Enough that he's willing to dedicate his post-presidency to making sure that doesn't happen again. That was the moment that shifted the winds against him and he's been struggling uphill ever since.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:07

Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

Goatman Sacks posted:

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/791067927273504768

hrm.

we need to wait for numbers from wahl strategies and possibly gillette analytics

seriously though it's a pollster who worked for ted cruz's campaign

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:08

ToxicFrog: Apr 26, 2008

pumpinglemma posted:

My boss was in a similar situation because of some weird peanut-value bonds she inherited from her grandmother - she literally couldn't sell them or give them away but they still accrued taxable interest. She ended up renouncing her citizenship to get away from the bureaucracy.

Oh poo poo, I think I actually have something similar from my grandma at the bottom of a drawer somewhere. That tweaked a memory.

I think I'm at the point now of trying to track down co-workers who have done the repudiation thing and asking "so just how hosed am I next time I need to fly to the Bay Area if I do this".

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:11

Goatman Sacks: Apr 4, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

Sensible Thursday posted:

Unrated at http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

ah.

based on the tweets it's the same firm that ran Ted Cruz's campaign

Political Polls twitter keeps posting these garbage polls, is there another easy-time aggregator? I've had a sneaking suspicion of their Trump leaning for a while now.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:10

Complaint Compilation: Apr 8, 2016

Sensible Thursday posted:

Unrated at http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

Ok someone please explain the mean/reverted bias to me because I don't understand what that is displaying at all.
e- Polls and how to properly read them have always been a mystery to me.

Complaint Compilation fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Oct 26, 2016

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:14

Crow Jane: Oct 18, 2012; nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/791061334863536128

You just know ol' Diamond Joe's been saving up his brass knuckles and throwing stars for this exact occasion.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:14

Built 4 Cuban Linux: Jul 15, 2007; i own america

Goatman Sacks posted:

ah.

based on the tweets it's the same firm that ran Ted Cruz's campaign

Political Polls twitter keeps posting these garbage polls, is there another easy-time aggregator? I've had a sneaking suspicion of their Trump leaning for a while now.

I subscribe to the Huffington post pollster RSS feed. Pretty good but it posts this stuff as well.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:15

lozzle: Oct 22, 2012; by zen death robot

Goatman Sacks posted:

ah.

based on the tweets it's the same firm that ran Ted Cruz's campaign

Political Polls twitter keeps posting these garbage polls, is there another easy-time aggregator? I've had a sneaking suspicion of their Trump leaning for a while now.

@ppppolls is the only polling-related twitter you need in your life. The snark is unreal.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:15

DaveWoo: Aug 14, 2004; Fun Shoe

Goatman Sacks posted:

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/791067927273504768

hrm.

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/791069205395374081

... Yeah, I think it's fair to say that this pollster might have a bit of a lean.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:16

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Crow Jane posted:

https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/791061334863536128

You just know ol' Diamond Joe's been saving up his brass knuckles and throwing stars for this exact occasion.

Trump: The Internet Tough Guy Candidate.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:18

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 17:56

emdash: Oct 19, 2003; and?

Remington is labeled as a republican pollster on RCP so yeah

# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:19

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