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They should move the plot forward but without completely invalidating armies from play. It feels bad to collect and paint all these dudes and then be told they're not legal anymore? But that said things should happen. Cadia and Fenris should both get rekt, but then Cadians should live on like the Tanith First-and-Only, and Space Wolves should live on as a nomadic space marine chapter with no home world anymore, like the Dark Angels or Black Templars. Seems like win/win to me. Maybe you could even be really brutal and kill off some major characters, making those models no longer legal. But not an entire faction, that's a dick move. Also since the primarchs are not really legal in 40k they're prime targets for dramatic deaths. Bring the primarchs back, put them at war with each other, and have them kill each other off one by one in a grand tournament of warfare. Every few months have a new event where some huge battle goes down and one of the loyalists or traitors ends up eating dirt.
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Zaphod42 posted:Also since the primarchs are not really legal in 40k Magnus invalidated that. It's open season for primarchs. Mega werewolf Russ, exosuit Dorn, Lion riding a calibanite lion.
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Nov 29, 2016 09:03
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I'd pay good money for Dreadnought Guilliman
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Nov 29, 2016 09:15
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Aren't Space Wolves supposed to have *Reasons* involving Fenris and the Canis Helix that they have to 'be made' there, otherwise you get rampant mutation like the failed Wolf Brothers chapter. It's been a while, but isn't that a plot point in Battle of the Fang.
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Nov 29, 2016 10:42
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Mango Polo posted:Magnus invalidated that. It's open season for primarchs. Mega werewolf Russ, exosuit Dorn, Lion riding a calibanite lion. Thankfully you can kill Magnus off all you want, he'll just return to the warp and continue mustache-twirling. One of the benefits of daemonhood.
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Nov 29, 2016 11:32
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PierreTheMime posted:Thankfully you can kill Magnus off all you want, he'll just return to the warp and continue mustache-twirling. One of the benefits of daemonhood. There are ways to destroy a soul.
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Nov 29, 2016 12:10
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Uroboros posted:There are ways to destroy a soul. I mean they can write anything they want, but the Space Marine and Grey Knights codex is filled with instances of the same daemon recurring across millennia. I doubt they'd kill of such a plot device, especially since they are the pinnacle of their god's influence on humanity. Hell, Magnus would probably just get warp-o'd away from the fight before the final blow the same as the battle of Prospero.
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Nov 29, 2016 12:20
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JackMack posted:Which is a nice segue into 6 days to Goonpocalypse III Sorry to say but I'm afraid I'm probably going to have to let you down. I was looking forward to it, but my health's in the shitter at the moment and I don't think It'll stand up to five hours of travel plus a day of hamming.
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Lovely Joe, nooooo.... shame to hear it dude but understand it would be a miserable slog if you are not feeling 100%. Maybe we could do a London Hamslam meet at some point as there are a few of us...Galaspar posted:Thanks for the thought, don't think we can make it though. Shame, because I've been getting into HoR kill team lately. The young lady was Namenlos btw, and although she neither posts nor plays 40k much these days, happy to say she is now my wife. Awww that's good to hear. Are you both still working for the same company?
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Shame people are having to drop out of the Goonmeet. Hope you feel better soon Joe! At this point who's still going? If there's only a few of us maybe revert to regular games or something? Also, does anyone want to meet up at the train station and share a cab to WHW? Zark the Damned fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 13:59
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Dang guys I know life gets in the way, but it could be worse. I'm pretty sure I'm a minimum of a 8 hour drive from the nearest 40k goon.
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Nov 29, 2016 14:39
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I'm trapped in Derplahoma City, but my imprisonment is my hatred of long bouts of driving. I'm sure as poo poo not traveling to Britain in the middle of the school year.
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Nov 29, 2016 16:14
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Hamshot posted:Ya don't move the plot forward and people complain, ya move the plot forward and people complain, waddayagonnado? Deptfordx posted:Aren't Space Wolves supposed to have *Reasons* involving Fenris and the Canis Helix that they have to 'be made' there, otherwise you get rampant mutation like the failed Wolf Brothers chapter.
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Nov 29, 2016 16:33
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Mango Polo posted:Lion riding a calibanite lion. I will buy this e- who are we kidding it'll be an even more ornate Corvex with a huge lion head on the front Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 16:43
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Zark the Damned posted:Shame people are having to drop out of the Goonmeet. Hope you feel better soon Joe! Me and my buddy Adam (ork dude) are definitely coming. I'll be bringing 2500 of sallies with a WB and RG HoR team whatever happens as that's just a carry case so I don't have to faff about packing.
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Zark the Damned posted:Shame people are having to drop out of the Goonmeet. Hope you feel better soon Joe! I'm still down, if its regular gaming i might small 30k and proper sized 40k. I think I'm getting to Notts for 10am, depends when everyone else is arriving but I'm always up for taxi splitting
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Nov 29, 2016 17:28
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We could always do a larger 2v2 game as well as HoR and ZM. I'm loose. Then we can spend a couple hours in the museum and bugmans.
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Nov 29, 2016 17:42
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Finished up my truck; didn't have patience for a proper photo lab, and these get the gist well enough. Next stop is some Neophyte Hybrids--some from the Truck kit, most from a box. I haven't heard back from Discount Games Store about my copy of Deathwatch: Overkill, but I'm not willing to just up and buy another elsewhere (even for less) if I don't have the possibility of a refund.      
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:Finished up my truck; didn't have patience for a proper photo lab, and these get the gist well enough. Looking good dude. Dig how you've magnetised/pinned it all up. It might be the light obscuring the detail, but I think the headlights could use a recess wash or another highlight. Also, just my taste but some grime and chipping along the underside/around the tires would go a long way to make it pop a little more.
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SRM posted:It's a damned if you do/damned if you don't thing, you're always gonna make someone unhappy. I don't see them getting rid of the vast quantities of wolf malarkey though - I imagine they won't invalidate models and they're going to continue giving things silly names for copyrightable purposes. Well it makes sense that The Fang is pretty much one step below The Emperors palace, but that doesn't mean the planet or system itself comes anywhere close to having the sort of weaponry that Sol System or Ultramar are sporting. In fact the whole idea behind Fenris makes it a rather poor place for defensive weapons, hard to build missile silos and poo poo on a planet where the earth sinks into the ocean every couple of years. The Space Wolves are pretty much described as having very loose ties to the greater Imperium basically getting most their poo poo as a "thank you" for saving worlds, it makes sense for them to have no where near the resources on call that other chapters might have, and why they would have trouble against the smallest of the traitor legions.
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Uroboros posted:There are ways to destroy a soul. But enough about the Ork codex.
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SteelMentor posted:Looking good dude. Dig how you've magnetised/pinned it all up. It might be the light obscuring the detail, but I think the headlights could use a recess wash or another highlight. Also, just my taste but some grime and chipping along the underside/around the tires would go a long way to make it pop a little more. That's on the docket eventually; I just wanted it TTS for playability. My Ork tanks all had really hosed-up treads and chip damage and filth all over. Bombogenesis posted:But enough about the Ork codex. I'm not crying I'm laughing It's both.
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Uroboros posted:Well it makes sense that The Fang is pretty much one step below The Emperors palace, but that doesn't mean the planet or system itself comes anywhere close to having the sort of weaponry that Sol System or Ultramar are sporting. In fact the whole idea behind Fenris makes it a rather poor place for defensive weapons, hard to build missile silos and poo poo on a planet where the earth sinks into the ocean every couple of years. The Space Wolves are pretty much described as having very loose ties to the greater Imperium basically getting most their poo poo as a "thank you" for saving worlds, it makes sense for them to have no where near the resources on call that other chapters might have, and why they would have trouble against the smallest of the traitor legions. I seem to recall hearing that they had one of the bigger fleets out of the space marine chapters so I'm not sure it's fair to say that they have markedly fewer resources at hand.
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Nov 29, 2016 19:28
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Uroboros posted:Well it makes sense that The Fang is pretty much one step below The Emperors palace, but that doesn't mean the planet or system itself comes anywhere close to having the sort of weaponry that Sol System or Ultramar are sporting. In fact the whole idea behind Fenris makes it a rather poor place for defensive weapons, hard to build missile silos and poo poo on a planet where the earth sinks into the ocean every couple of years. The Space Wolves are pretty much described as having very loose ties to the greater Imperium basically getting most their poo poo as a "thank you" for saving worlds, it makes sense for them to have no where near the resources on call that other chapters might have, and why they would have trouble against the smallest of the traitor legions. I disagree, the Space Wolves are always depicted as being well equipped with both gear and a Fleet. Also, now exact estimates are all over the place but the Space Wolves have always given no fucks about Guillimans rules and the Great Companies have more Marines than Chapter Companies as well as there being more Companies. They are about as twice as strong, i.e. 2000+ of them, as a normal chapter and again all over the place, some estimates are substantially higher.
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Any goons in the Seattle area down to meet up for some 40k goodness? I'm free to travel after five on the weekdays to most game stores in the North East side, especially the Bellevue Mox or Games and Gizmos in Kirkland. On the weekends I can get to the Seattle locations, traffic willing. I've only been involved in Kill Team stuff so far but I'm willing to play in a larger game.
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i can't recall much recent reference to the space wolves being substantially larger than they *should* be. i know it used to be a thing but unless it's mentioned in curse of the wulfen or something it seems like it's something they're trying to pull back from.
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I've just been bouncing around and painting characters lately, and I got around to painting one of my favorite old Daemonhunters sculpts:    
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Deptfordx posted:I disagree, the Space Wolves are always depicted as being well equipped with both gear and a Fleet. I'm sure they have an overall larger force but once again this is all gifted to them. Fenris isn't known for ship building or logistics, in fact there isn't any real industrial capability to speak of outside of The Fang, so basically you are making deals with local worlds. Additionally they have no successors nor are they known for having Imperial Guard regiments to use as Reserves. Also the Emperor's Gift pretty much puts to rest the notion that Space Wolves run at Legion strength. They are still a Chapter with a chapters resources, but with no successors to call on for help. TheArmorOfContempt fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Posigniat posted:Any goons in the Seattle area down to meet up for some 40k goodness? I'm free to travel after five on the weekdays to most game stores in the North East side, especially the Bellevue Mox or Games and Gizmos in Kirkland. On the weekends I can get to the Seattle locations, traffic willing. I've only been involved in Kill Team stuff so far but I'm willing to play in a larger game. We have four 30k hams slamming at Bellevue Mox at least once each Sunday. We haven't really seen any 40k players though.
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I'm down for playing at Mox this Sunday. Have wife clearance papers in order.
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GreenMarine posted:I'm down for playing at Mox this Sunday. Have wife clearance papers in order. Also down to 30k slam!
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:I'm trapped in Derplahoma City, but my imprisonment is my hatred of long bouts of driving. Oklahoma city? If so, northside or southside? I mostly play with a friend who runs smurfs, and his son who runs a chaos army. Be interested in a mini meet at the gw store if you are indeed in OKC.
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GreenMarine posted:I'm down for playing at Mox this Sunday. Have wife clearance papers in order. I'd like to sit in a session once I get back in January l.
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Deptfordx posted:Also, now exact estimates are all over the place but the Space Wolves have always given no fucks about Guillimans rules and the Great Companies have more Marines than Chapter Companies as well as there being more Companies. They are about as twice as strong, i.e. 2000+ of them, as a normal chapter and again all over the place, some estimates are substantially higher. Looking forward to them retconning that like they did with the Black Templars. E: Uroboros posted:Also the Emperor's Gift pretty much puts to rest the notion that Space Wolves run at Legion strength. They are still a Chapter with a chapters resources, but with no successors to call on for help. There we go.
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I just assume it has more to do with being so active in war zones and Crusading than respect for the codex that keeps their numbers in line. With the Black Templars if their numbers swell they can just poop out another successor that is essentially identical other than name, problem solved. Either way the idea of Marines not being at Legion strength is pretty much the whole point. They are scattered and dispersed and only come together in large numbers when the time calls for it.
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I don't have anything against the chapter, but I think it's kind of silly that they're the Bad Boys who dont care about good guy gulliman's dumb book, but are still The Other Actually Good Guy Marines it's like a rebel without the rebellion
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TheChirurgeon posted:you act like you've never heard of the Rebel With a Heart of Gold trope yeah, but that trope the rebel is usually rebelling against a bad system, a nefarious other, here it seems like they rebel against the few decent marines because they need to rebel to fit their character basically less them being good while also rebels, and more them being rebels without actually rebelling against anything
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The Imperium is a bad system, though One of the big conflicts is Grimnar vs. The Inquisition over the Virus Bombing of Armageddon
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Played a pair of Kill Team games tonight, my Orks vs. my buddy's IG. The scenario was one where the attacker had to get off the defender's table edge, and the defender got points for killing attacker models. We decided we'd do it twice, once with me on the attack, and then once with him attacking. The cool thing was he had one of those crazy card systems for his terrain: It felt like those Starcraft dungeon maps where you had a bunch of Marines going through a facility, it was super cool. The first game had me trying real hard to get across the board, shooting along the way and getting shredded by his Guard. It was a pretty sound defeat but playing on that map was super interesting, and it really made it a different game. Round two he fared even worse than I did, getting utterly shredded at every turn until he got tabled on turn 4. Right as he was about to score a few points with his two men near the table edge, they turned tail and fled off the table. After tallying up the scores from both games, I came out way ahead. While neither game was a nail-biter, it was fun to do an asymmetrical scenario and see who could do better with it. That table was also a lot of fun, since so much line of sight is blocked, and the verticality of it was interesting too. You could only go up and down levels at staircases, which meant the attackers had to move around a lot to get to where they needed to go. Neither player got a single model off table, unfortunately!
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