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Gyges posted:What in the gently caress is this even supposed to mean? Is it some sort of sick burn that Kirk bungled into a cosmic level nega-burn or something? Like all the components present are neutral or good things(other than the misspeak implication of slavery) in virtually any order that they are arranged.
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Jazerus posted:I'd be with you here except they railroaded a fellow juror to get the verdict they wanted, making it obvious that there's more to it than Joe Citizen muddling through murky legal waters. I get that it looks shady, but without knowing exactly what was said in the jury room it's again speculation. Jurors getting other jurors kicked off trials is really, really rare and when it does happen and there's been investigations in the past, it's usually warranted. In this particular case, the prosecution agreed to his dismissal with no challenge. Why? I don't know, but the sending of a letter like that doesn't immediately get someone bounced. It almost never happens. If what happened is that everyone in the room was in consensus, and the holdout was saying stuff like "Sorry guys, I don't care what the law is, but I can't gently caress over my friends at the BLM like this" or anything along those lines, it sucks he got bounced but there's justifiable reasons for it. Here's the note that was sent:  Unless that's a complete fabrication, starting deliberations with that is a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE problem. It sucks it meant acquittal, and the juror should have written that note on day one, but yeah, that juror was unfortunately a problem. It also appears to be a note sent by just one person, so even if turned out there was one piece of poo poo on the jury, it's likely the other jurors didn't even know he did that and had no part in the removal. I honestly can't believe he even survived voir dire. It's a fuckup from every angle. The defense should have made a cause challenge (and maybe they did and if so, then it's not their fault), the judge should have granted it, and if the prosecution had issues with his removal they should have demanded an investigation. Regarding juror hate in general, I know it sucks when there's an unpopular verdict and I know the justice has a shitton of problems, but an environment where poo poo like this happens should never be encouraged, especially because it's not like people volunteer for jury duty. 99% of the time jurors are just trying to follow their conscience. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/17/holdout-juror-in-jodi-arias-sentencing-says-shes-getting-threats/ http://people.com/crime/casey-anthony-case-juror-no-12-leaves-town/
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https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/791804283859701760 https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/791804648160190464 quote:Wow. In debate, @MarkKirk says to Tammy Duckworth: "I had forgotten your parents came all the way from Thailand to serve George Washington." Not only borderline racist, but it's ignorant. Tammy's family--on her father's side--has served in the U.S. military since the Revolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUEwhcXNWM0
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Aerox posted:Regarding juror hate in general, I know it sucks when there's an unpopular verdict and I know the justice has a shitton of problems, but an environment where poo poo like this happens should never be encouraged, especially because it's not like people volunteer for jury duty. 99% of the time jurors are just trying to follow their conscience.
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Endorph posted:their conscience is going to lead to more domestic terrorism. Maybe this time the Feds won't use kid gloves and give them 1200 FPS lead to assert their sovereign citizenship to.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:14
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Holy gently caress is Michelle aging backwards??
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I agree it's lovely that violent, anti-government forces got to play chicken with the Feds and win again but a lovely decision is always a possibility with a trial by jury, you know? I eagerly await the conviction and life-sentence on domestic terrorism charges of the black guys holding up signs reading "Honk if you think the police shouldn't be allowed to kill black people with impunity" in front of Independence Hall.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Holy gently caress is Michelle aging backwards?? Black don't crack
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gently caress him. Duckworth 2024.
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Endorph posted:their conscience is going to lead to more domestic terrorism. Do you think that juries should decide cases by speculating about what effect the overall outcome the verdict would have on the national political climate and picking the best one?
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I'm not reading 600 posts so I'll just skim the last page and did Y'all Qaeda seriously get acquitted? gently caress this
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Gyges posted:
Obama who gives no more fucks is the best Obama.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Holy gently caress is Michelle aging backwards?? I think Barack is lucky to have her. I would be if I were him, anyway. I'm just so happy for both of them for how cute they are as a couple and I am sad they will be leaving us shortly for post-Presidential life.    I've really taken them for granted and underrated them now that it's all coming to a close and putting things into perspective.
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Endorph posted:their conscience is going to lead to more domestic terrorism.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I'm not reading 600 posts so I'll just skim the last page and did Y'all Qaeda seriously get acquitted?
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I cannot believe those Bundy hicks got aquitted..
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Aerox posted:Anyway, this is way longer than I meant it to be, but these are the takeaways. This is a right good post, thanks for sharing.  Another, more esoteric thing we might be seeing in the verdict that hasn't been considered yet, and goes beyond simple racial bias, is the defense of constitutional right, specifically the right to assemble- to air your grievances against a government you feel you are being oppressed by. I'm not even talking about the typical romanticization of militias here, not really; I'm talking about the fact that this whole debacle can be drawn to the First Amendment, no matter how tenuous the connection may be, and there are a lot of people who are gun-shy about loving around with the bill of rights, especially the original ten. To us, these people were violent assholes, but violent assholes are still citizens. They might have broken the law to doing it, it might have led to child endangerment and the death of Tarpman, and it might have been a particularly pathetic rebellion as those things go, but all in all, the only harm they did was was to the land, so in the mind of a lot of people, that makes this peaceable assembly . Guns were taken, but they weren't used, and the only one who did use them was killed for it before he could harm anyone. It may not be peaceable to you, but for some people it was, and any action against that sort of assembly... for ANY reason, no matter how justified... is to chip away at that bedrock of freedom- to say "It's OK, the government may intervene in any form of assembly it chooses, it can just beat us or shoot us for whatever reason it likes." And if defending that right means letting some armed assholes and lovely ranchers go free, well, sometimes a little wrong must be ignored to prevent a greater one. Is it an injustice they go free? Oh, yes it is, I wanted to see them punished for it just as much as all of you. Is this massively racist and hypocritical in light of the protest going on right now in South Dakota? gently caress yeah it is, but you have to remember: that protest wasn't on trial today, and generally speaking, lawmakers are very, very careful not to let protests like that get to trial, or if they do, won't frame it in the terms I just described. The language of the law is tricky for that very reason, for good or ill. I'm just saying there's a way to interpret this verdict beyond simply being a racist good old boy looking out for Whitey. I'm sure that played A part but I'm trying not to be cynical.
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Samurai Sanders posted:There are still other charges pending trial so maybe America still has a chance to prove that armed occupation of government facilities by white people is at least a little bit illegal?
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Aerox posted:Do you think that juries should decide cases by speculating about what effect the overall outcome the verdict would have on the national political climate and picking the best one? Hrmmm Option A. Huge increase in white supremacist militias during what could be the most turbulent power transition in recent memory. Charges blatantly look ignored. Minorities feel even more ignored by the legal system. Option B. Some racist people get locked up for charges that people would agree were probably accurate. Dangerous Racist militias decrease. A tiny, tiny ember of hope forms within Minorities about the possibility of some sort of justice in the legal system. Oh golly which should I pick I wonder. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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This confuses me. I thought George Washington was a general during the revolutionary war  Wait I just te-read it and I'm still confused. Her opponent said her PARENTS came during the revolutionary war? What? I hope Tammy mops the floor with him
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Nessus posted:So goons posting on the internet is a threat to democracy, but a bunch of militiamen standing outside of the courthouse with guns isn't. Funny how that works out, isn't it. Yeah that's totally what I said and I clearly approve of jury intimidation and did not say exactly the opposite.
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resurgam40 posted:This is a right good post, thanks for sharing.
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Let's hold off on calling the jury duplicitous agents of the fuckwits that constitute Y'all Quada. They're most certainly going to be interviewed to hell and back by the media following the trial, and if they're half as dumb as they seem for letting the Bundy assholes off they'll quite happily drop some "truth" on national TV. Then we can discuss what shitheads they are. As it is now we can only assume they're idiots or the prosecutor is a raving moron.
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All I can say is that I hope this inspires American law enforcement to crack down on this kind of activity much harder, clearly softballing them isn't working and these lunatics are inevitably going to start killing people if we allow them to act unchecked.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:This confuses me. I thought George Washington was a general during the revolutionary war He ignored her white father and just assumed she was born by budding from her Thai mom, trying to mock her when she said something about having a strong military family history.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:All I can say is that I hope this inspires American law enforcement to crack down on this kind of activity much harder, clearly softballing them isn't working and these lunatics are inevitably going to start killing people if we allow them to act unchecked.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:All I can say is that I hope this inspires American law enforcement to crack down on this kind of activity much harder, clearly softballing them isn't working and these lunatics are inevitably going to start killing people if we allow them to act unchecked. They won't.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:All I can say is that I hope this inspires American law enforcement to crack down on this kind of activity much harder, clearly softballing them isn't working and these lunatics are inevitably going to start killing people if we allow them to act unchecked. Cops LOVE the bundy hicks
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lozzle posted:Oh no he said the dreaded r-word. No, it's ok. The American Revolution is the only good one.
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Its saddening the amount of rage I get about these loving assholes and then my mom has the gall to go "How does this affect you? Why should you care politicians get away with crime all the time"
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I hope Tammy mops the floor with him It'll be a rough road, Kirk has the best Powerpoint slides money can buy. 
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Goatman Sacks posted:He ignored her white father and just assumed she was born by budding from her Thai mom, trying to mock her when she said something about having a strong military family history. Jesus Christ, thanks for clearing that up
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:All I can say is that I hope this inspires American law enforcement to crack down on this kind of activity much harder, clearly softballing them isn't working and these lunatics are inevitably going to start killing people if we allow them to act unchecked. Unless they pull something to make the Oklahoma City Bombing seem tame, that's not too likely. The Republicans deliberately killed off funding for the DHS to investigate right wing terror groups so they know that these extremists are a large source of support.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Holy gently caress is Michelle aging backwards?? #blackgirlmagic
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Jesus Christ, thanks for clearing that up
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Motto posted:It'll be a rough road, Kirk has the best Powerpoint slides money can buy. I think this one is best summed up by Christ What An rear end in a top hat.
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Samurai Sanders posted:You're right, the fact that they brought guns makes my gun-free liberal upbringing immediately yell at me that they are not making a "peaceable" assembly. I guess in the name of understanding in these divisive times, I should critically consider that. Bought them, and did not use them, except to show off and maybe make a pass at hunting. Nobody used their weapons on any other person or federal agent except Tarpman, and he is now dead. To an open carry person who loves his Second Amendment, yes, that makes this a peaceable assembly. Look, I'm with you here; I don't have a gun because I have neither need nor business using one. I'm just trying to get into the head-space of a peer of the Bundys who would vote the way they did.
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