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paperwind posted:Modern Republicans have become so loving awful that a Republican in the traditional mold actually sounds halfway reasonable these days. Did they really have any shred of intellectual consistency back in the day or am I just too young to know any better? It's been a loose confederation of assholes ever since the Southern strategy at least. They're trying to hold together two factions that don't have much to do with each other - millionaires and fundamentalists - so any drat fool thing either side takes a fancy to Republicans have to agree with or risk splitting the party. Global warming's made up? Sure. Allying with Israel will bring about the second coming? Definitely. It's easy to imagine the moderate Republicans giving up and jettisoning the crazies, but even the moderates don't really stand for anything, only against things.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Hang on, I've been saving something for this occasion: The Malheur people made no bones about their intention to occupy the wildlife refuge and, if not stopped, to eventually settle/homestead it and put in a crop and I guess hope they found minerals they could sell to the Chinese. I believe this was the core of their objection to that particular wildlife sanctuary: it was interfering with the operations of a nearby ranch (who, I recall further, wanted absolutely nothing to do with these guys.) e: By contrast, while the Black Panthers may have had a desire for some form of reparations in general, they were not declaring the courthouse in question to be their property on some general grounds. Furthermore, I don't believe that the Black Panthers were ideologically opposed to the existence of courts and some system of peace officers in and of themselves, while the Malheur occupiers were hostile to federal scientists, wildlife refuge management, etc. in general. Nessus fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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The narrative that this was just a peaceful protest and that the guns were nothing but constitutionally sanctioned fashion accessories will never get old.
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Kro-Bar posted:Looks like Trump's kids aren't the only one not giving to his campaign. Look, his services to his campaign are worth way more than $100 million. In fact, he's going to charge the campaign for the difference.
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Nessus posted:OK, so at what point does the armed group of wannabe rebels become an actual threat? Like, is there an actual legal point where that happens? -Point a gun at someone -Threaten to use their guns in an unlawful manner -Discharge their guns in a prohibited place or in an unsafe manner -Shoot someone Or, if you live in California, Illinois, New York, or several other states, -From the moment they start carrying guns openly outside an unincorporated area or into one or more forbidden areas Nessus posted:Aha, but I artfully dodge your analogy to the Black Panthers. You see, the two cases had very different ideological statements to them, by my understanding. Mavric posted:The narrative that this was just a peaceful protest and that the guns were nothing but constitutionally sanctioned fashion accessories will never get old. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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lol ok sure edit: also why does it have to be solely? Can't it be for intimidation AND compensating for your tiny penis? Mavric fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:-Threaten to use their guns in an unlawful manner For that matter, the current group were acquitted - does this create precedent that, say, occupying a federal wildlife reserve, plowing up Native American sites, waving your armaments around, livestreaming about how you hope to kill feds, etc., must inherently NOT be unlawful? I'm not sure how this works, other than the obvious trend of "the decision most favorable to white rural militias" which your summary of the legal system seems to suggest.
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Nessus posted:OK, so at what point does the armed group of wannabe rebels become an actual threat? Like, is there an actual legal point where that happens? Because I know for drat sure the cops get to shoot people all the time on the grounds that their responsibility is to come home safely and the lives of random citizens are less important than that feeling of safety. It is fascinating to me that open carry simultaneously cannot be construed as a threat by the government, and also such an imminent threat that the government has the right to shoot you as you sit peacefully on a park bench or lie with your hands in the air if they only think you might have a gun.
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VitalSigns posted:It is fascinating to me that open carry simultaneously cannot be construed as a threat by the government, and also such an imminent threat that the government has the right to shoot you as you sit peacefully on a park bench or lie with your hands in the air if they only think you might have a gun. Oh - we aren't supposed to mention that part. It might be rude.
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VitalSigns posted:It is fascinating to me that open carry simultaneously cannot be construed as a threat by the government, and also such an imminent threat that the government has the right to shoot you as you sit peacefully on a park bench or lie with your hands in the air if they only think you might have a gun. "Armed while Black" is a different legal statute entirely
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I think they simply hosed it up by avoiding a confrontation. They should have actually gone to the wildlife refugee with police and FBI and tried to kick them out. If they don't leave peacefully that is a crime right there.
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In all fairness they did shoot one of the guys didn't they? And he had his hands up too, so there you go
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He had his hands up, then down, then up, then in his pocket, then he jerked it around a bit, then he got shot.
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Tom Guycot posted:Are you kidding? Every time I'm feeling down I think of the woman in that picture, and just imagine how loving beyond miserable and rage filled every second of her life has been since nov 2008, and will continue to be as she sees hillary stroll back into the white house. I would actually love to know what Pat Peale is up to during this election. Is she sticking with the establishment Republicanism that brought her, or thrown them over for Trump?
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Mavric posted:He had his hands up, then down, then up, then in his pocket, then he jerked it around a bit, then he got shot. imho if you approach the FBI while jerking off you deserve to be lit up
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canepazzo posted:IBD poll (the most accuratest ever!!!! up until 3 days ago) ticked one further for Hillary (43-41). Must have been reached by Clinton Foundation money and/or the Podesta killers. https://twitter.com/IBDinvestors/status/791942863084855296 IBD poll ticking another point towards Clinton, who is now 44-41. Not to worry tho, USC/LAT one ticked 1 point towards Trump for a +1.6 lead. Stop arzying, pepes.
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I missed the latest email thing because I was being mad at juries, what's it?
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Volcott posted:I missed the latest email thing because I was being mad at juries, what's it? Wanna take a guess?
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cant cook creole bream posted:Wanna take a guess? I don't know, Chris Matthews was Arzying pretty hard, from the 5 minutes of his show I saw yesterday.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I know there is a not-insignificant fraction of posters who feel that "people having guns" should constitute an actionable threat by anyone who sees it, but I don't think there is any U.S. state that currently recognizes it as such absent an overt or articulated threat.
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Volcott posted:I don't know, Chris Matthews was Arzying pretty hard, from the 5 minutes of his show I saw yesterday.
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Volcott posted:I don't know, Chris Matthews was Arzying pretty hard, from the 5 minutes of his show I saw yesterday. Another Podesta email. Chelsea was kind of annoyed that members of the foundation use it as a mean to get personal career contacts. Podesta seems like he is kind of an rear end in a top hat, so he downplayed it and replied that her father does that all the time and even used the words "Bill Clinton corporation" to describe that. It looks somewhat bad, but there is no evidence of political favors in return and there isn't anything which directly links Hillary to it. I'd say it's the worst of the Podesta mails, but only because the others are worthless. Also there isn't really anything illegal about that. It just feeds into the right wings narrative that the Clintons are buyable. I kinda dislike Podesta at this point. He seems to phrase his emails really incompetently and they always look way worse than they are. To be fair, they are internal emails and not press statements.
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https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/791843224155553792 Voter fraud!!!
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Can white people be convicted of anything in America?
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By the way. Do we know anything about how the Russians hacked Podesta? If it was a large scale breach of the servers, I'd imagine there would be mails from other accounts of his subordinates. What account was it anyway? Is he just one of those people who use 1233456 as a password?
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Hitler B. Natural posted:Can white people be convicted of anything in America?
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Hitler B. Natural posted:Can white people be convicted of anything in America? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7eA_TyogeU
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Remember this is the country where not only were the pipeline protesters attacked with dogs and a reporter covering it threatened with absurdly broad legal penalties but a black man was holding a toy gun in a store in an open carry state and that was enough to be legally shot without warning by the authorities. It would be nice if regular people were afforded the same leniency as white people preaching sedition against the country.
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paperwind posted:Modern Republicans have become so loving awful that a Republican in the traditional mold actually sounds halfway reasonable these days. Did they really have any shred of intellectual consistency back in the day or am I just too young to know any better? William F. Buckley really embodied a, b and c. And what was the glue that held that coalition together? The Cold War! As each faction had an overlapping interest in containing communism. So the GOP had its contradictions, but it was relatively consistent there. That coalition began to unravel in the 1990s, and right-wing populist movements formed up around Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan. In 2000, George W. Bush crawled into the presidency after a deeply contested election in which he lost the popular vote, buying the Cold War-era GOP some time, as did the 9/11 attacks. The Iraq War and the 2008 recession finally shattered it. And set the stage for Trump to emerge, combining what Perot and Buchanan represented. I think the GOP is reverting to its paleoconservative Old Right permutation. Nationalist, protectionist, anti-immigrant, more isolationist, and more explicitly racist & based on blood and culture. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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I feel like it's worth saying again that jury verdicts are not precedent. They are not even assertions about the law of any kind. They're determinations of fact and nothing more.
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they are precedent in any way that matters. any prosecutor will be reluctant tobring a case that juries refuse to convict on.
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I really wish the Clinton camp would dump one more 'what the gently caress' thing to free me of my arzying once and for all.
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The ABC tracking poll went down even further, 48-44. That's quite the swing, seems mostly Trump's gains. Cilizza must have been on hard drugs when he said it was at +16 Clinton yesterday.
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The pussy tape and the debates are seemingly fading away, which is quite damning of the electorate at large, but what else is new. It's all about the downballot at this point.
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So uh is vandalism federal property not a crime? Or 'commandeering' it?
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Hitler B. Natural posted:Can white people be convicted of anything in America?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Was he not a "Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" or something? Because I hear this claim bandied about all the time, and I'm pretty sure it's bullshit under the premise that Hamilton was always grandfathered in under the second part of that clause. My understanding of the general consensus is that the framers put that in for him.
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Feels like the last couple weeks have been all Wikileaks poo poo so the electorate races right back to trump and the default C+4-6 state of this race
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Any tightening of the polls is the result of Republicans that were embarrassed by Trump's behavior coming around. If the election was held the day after the pussy video dropped the same people that are going back to Trump now would have been able to convince themselves they are making the right choice in the ballot box. 2016 has been illuminating in just how disgraceful and openly incompetent a candidate can be and white people will still embrace him as their own long as he's openly bigoted.Jonas Albrecht posted:Stealing from richer whites. Also remember when people were saying that RGB saying mean things about Trump was what was going to discredit our judicial system lol. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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Hitler B. Natural posted:Can white people be convicted of anything in America? Stealing from richer whites.
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