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MisterBibs posted:I was looking at Memory Alpha earlier, specifically about planned/considered episodes that didn't get made, and get this: they were considering making a sequel to A Piece Of The Action during DS9, but didn't because the writers (specifically Ira) were disdainful of having the Iotians be hardcore TOS fans. Ehhhhhhhh having the Iotians be Trekkers is a bit too meta for me as well. galenanorth posted:They already used up the "shock value death" card with Jadzia Dax only two seasons before the season that's being pitched, and at least it was done in a way that seemed to make sense lol Jadzia went out just as abruptly and meaninglessly as Tasha Yar bull3964 posted:Actually, they were. Maybe I'm misremembering but I'm pretty sure they didn't start work on the pilot (which was heinously expensive back then) until they sold the pitch to NBC. Either way, having the show pitched to them isn't nearly the same as being involved.
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Generally speaking tumblr zone likes the characters hanging out being friends and never talks about S31 and would never hurt rom . It sounds wussy but imho it's emotionally healthier than wanting to see Vic Fontaine forced to get an abortion by the gestapo or whatever
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Kling off a character for absolutely no reason sounds like gane of thrones poo poo post season 4.
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Well if you want spoilers of the highlights of why I thought it was poo poo and am shocked anyone liked it: Bajor wants little to do with the Federation and treats Starfleet like crap, S31 with Bashir as head (wtf) decides the best way to deal with this is to try to kill the prophets and destroy the wormhole (wtf?!) because then they'll see the light of reason/atheism and has the Federation kill Nog when he finds out. Also the Bajorans have secretly converted the entire Jem'Hadar with Vedek Kira (wtf???!!!!) and is planning on using them as their new army if war breaks out. Then Sisko comes back with a cliff-hanger. It is that bad.
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Apr 30, 2019 00:03
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Gorgo Primus posted:Well if you want spoilers of the highlights of why I thought it was poo poo and am shocked anyone liked it: Bajor wants little to do with the Federation and treats Starfleet like crap, S31 with Bashir as head (wtf) decides the best way to deal with this is to try to kill the prophets and destroy the wormhole (wtf?!) because then they'll see the light of reason/atheism and has the Federation kill Nog when he finds out. Also the Bajorans have secretly converted the entire Jem'Hadar with Vedek Kira (wtf???!!!!) and is planning on using them as their new army if war breaks out. Then Sisko comes back with a cliff-hanger. It is that bad. It felt like the whole writing crew totally forgot what DS9 was about and instead desperately want to out-grimdark Discovery.
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Gorgo Primus posted:Well if you want spoilers of the highlights of why I thought it was poo poo and am shocked anyone liked it: Bajor wants little to do with the Federation and treats Starfleet like crap, S31 with Bashir as head (wtf) decides the best way to deal with this is to try to kill the prophets and destroy the wormhole (wtf?!) because then they'll see the light of reason/atheism and has the Federation kill Nog when he finds out. Also the Bajorans have secretly converted the entire Jem'Hadar with Vedek Kira (wtf???!!!!) and is planning on using them as their new army if war breaks out. Then Sisko comes back with a cliff-hanger. It is that bad. You've got to be making GBS threads me.
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Apr 30, 2019 00:14
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I've read a whole bunch of Star Trek books and none of them were that stupid.
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Apr 30, 2019 00:17
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I've had the whole plot for the Axanar movie explained to me, and that's no longer the worst Trek-related idea I've ever heard.
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Epicurius posted:They were afraid they'd get backlash from the fans. I'm struggling to find any problems other than really weird Trekkies revealing that they are really weird Trekkies. Most of your audience, even for a Trek that is jonesing on 40k with a chaser of Venom: Lethal Protector, is going to find it funny. e: vvv to clarify, if you're deep into being a fan of DS9 (with its 90s edginess, of which VLP and 40k always felt like solid examples of that flaw), there's less odds that you're going to find making fun of TOS to be a bad thing. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Apr 30, 2019 00:26
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No part of any of that makes a lick of sense
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Apr 30, 2019 00:29
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Gorgo Primus posted:Well if you want spoilers of the highlights of why I thought it was poo poo and am shocked anyone liked it: Bajor wants little to do with the Federation and treats Starfleet like crap, S31 with Bashir as head (wtf) decides the best way to deal with this is to try to kill the prophets and destroy the wormhole (wtf?!) because then they'll see the light of reason/atheism and has the Federation kill Nog when he finds out. Also the Bajorans have secretly converted the entire Jem'Hadar with Vedek Kira (wtf???!!!!) and is planning on using them as their new army if war breaks out. Then Sisko comes back with a cliff-hanger. It is that bad. Star Trek is dead.
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Apr 30, 2019 00:48
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can we get someone else to confirm this because 
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That DS9 pitch is just embarrassingly bad, it sounds like a (lovely) DS9 Mirror Universe pitch more than anything that makes sense alongside DS9 proper.MisterBibs posted:I was looking at Memory Alpha earlier, specifically about planned/considered episodes that didn't get made, and get this: they were considering making a sequel to A Piece Of The Action during DS9, but didn't because the writers (specifically Ira) were disdainful of having the Iotians be hardcore TOS fans. If you want to ruin your day read the behind the scenes section of Dukat's page at Memory Alpha.
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Apr 30, 2019 00:52
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Stunned the guy with purple beard goes for edge over substance.
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Apr 30, 2019 00:59
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He heard from  that his script idea was bad so he doubled down on it.
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skasion posted:CBS thought the series could work, but they didn’t actually like “The Cage” as an episode so they demanded some changes — they felt it was too slow with not enough action, and disliked Roddenberry casting his side piece as the female lead (or weren’t ready for a strong female lead of any sort, to hear Roddenberry tell it) — and ordered a second pilot, namely “Where No Man Has Gone Before”. Jeffrey Hunter (Captain Pike) wanted to be in movies instead, and he wasn’t under contract because the pilot had been rejected, so his character was replaced too. Thus only Spock was really left over for the second pilot. According to Jeffrey Hunter's son, it was his stepmother (Hunter's current wife) who decided that her husband should only be in movies. Hunter was out of the country filming when Roddenberry came around about a second pilot, and she told him Hunter wasn't interested. Hunter had enjoyed working on it and was pissed that she'd turned it down for him. Of course, that's a kid who's dad could have been Captain Kirk on a cool space tv show and probably hated his Hollywood stepmother saying this, but that's the story as he tells it. And Hunter divorced her shortly after, if that tells you anything. Hunter himself said he had turned it down because of the commitment and he would rather do movies--but he ended up filming another pilot the same year so... If you want to play what if though, would Star Trek have been as big with Pike instead of Kirk? Would Hunter have been interested in coming back for TMP in 79? Would he, at 5 years older than Shatner, have been willing to come back for as many movies up til Generations? Would he have still died young?--he fell in his home in 1969 and fractured his skull, but it's suspected that was residual effects from an on set injury in a movie the year before which he probably wouldn't have been filming if he'd been on Star Trek.
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Peachfart posted:Star Trek is dead. Shoot it into space in a big sunglasses case
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Seemlar posted:If you want to ruin your day read the behind the scenes section of Dukat's page at Memory Alpha. I'm looking it over now and I've just learned that apparently Richard Moll was considered for the part of Dukat. I'm... not even sure what to say to that.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I’m genuinely curious what the reaction to it is outside these forums. It really felt like Ira and RDM and all the other writers had forgotten what made DS9 work in the first place and were just cribbing from other shows that had come since that don’t really fit the DS9 tone. I vaguely wonder if some of it also is not having the editors and producers and things that kinda massage ideas down from the first draft into usable stuff.
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Gorgo Primus posted:Well if you want spoilers of the highlights of why I thought it was poo poo and am shocked anyone liked it: Bajor wants little to do with the Federation and treats Starfleet like crap, S31 with Bashir as head (wtf) decides the best way to deal with this is to try to kill the prophets and destroy the wormhole (wtf?!) because then they'll see the light of reason/atheism and has the Federation kill Nog when he finds out. Also the Bajorans have secretly converted the entire Jem'Hadar with Vedek Kira (wtf???!!!!) and is planning on using them as their new army if war breaks out. Then Sisko comes back with a cliff-hanger. It is that bad.
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Seemlar posted:That DS9 pitch is just embarrassingly bad, it sounds like a (lovely) DS9 Mirror Universe pitch more than anything that makes sense alongside DS9 proper. A quick skim just shows that most of the producers are generally stupid as hell. "I guess the old cliches are true: Hitler loved his dog." <-- What the gently caress does this mean? He wasn't a robot sent back in time to start world war 2, why do people act like this?
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Good art generally comes from restrictions and push back. Star Wars was pretty good, but that's because Lucas had a huge team of talented people who saved the movie in the edit and push back against some of his dumber poo poo, when he was given 100% control it was of course garbage. I think this imaginary DS9 season 8 would be exactly the same if Ira was given full control, he'd Lucas it hard.
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Baronjutter posted:Good art generally comes from restrictions and push back. Star Wars was pretty good, but that's because Lucas had a huge team of talented people who saved the movie in the edit and push back against some of his dumber poo poo, when he was given 100% control it was of course garbage. I think this imaginary DS9 season 8 would be exactly the same if Ira was given full control, he'd Lucas it hard. Don't forget that the original script of star wars was something stupid like 400 pages
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Pick posted:Generally speaking tumblr zone likes the characters hanging out being friends and never talks about S31 and would never hurt rom . It sounds wussy but imho it's emotionally healthier than wanting to see Vic Fontaine forced to get an abortion by the gestapo or whatever
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Snow Cone Capone posted:can we get someone else to confirm this because Not only is that whole post true, they also forgot that Nog is captain of the Defiant and it blows up killing everyone aboard two minutes in. Martok is about to abdicate as Chancellor so that Worf can take over, but Worf goes to Bajor for reasons (?) and meets in secret with Garak at the fire caves, and Garak is the one who shows him the evidence of Vedek Kira converting Jem Hadar. Also Jake’s half brother (the kid Cassidy was pregnant with in the finale) is serving as DS9’s science officer, Ezri is captain of her own ship, and Bashir is married to her and somehow both her CMO and the head of S31. Oh, and Molly O’Brien is also in starfleet serving on DS9 for some reason. They also considered killing O’Brien instead of Nog even though he’s just living a peaceful life on earth teaching engineering. Big Mean Jerk fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Big Mean Jerk posted:They also considered killing O’Brien instead of Nog even though he’s just living a peaceful life on earth teaching engineering. loving gently caress. Fuuuuuuuuuck.
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Apr 30, 2019 03:46
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Amazing. I think I might even watch Discovery before something like that.
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Apr 30, 2019 03:50
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some things in life are just impressively bad truly though, a monument to all the things I make very clear I hate, particularly everyone being the grand high mojo of whatever their demographic was
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Apr 30, 2019 03:55
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i freakin told you guys
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Apr 30, 2019 03:56
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Oh, and it’s not directly stated, but you can see on their whiteboard that Jake’s new girlfriend/wife is a secret Section 31 agent for some reason
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I almost want to take screenshots of the whiteboards just to see what other terrible no good ideas they had
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Oh, and it’s not directly stated, but you can see on their whiteboard that Jake’s new girlfriend/wife is a secret Section 31 agent for some reason lmao armin shimerman co-wrote the ds9 book where quark is just emo tortured in a way that comes off as awkward and uncomfortable for Hundreds of pages and it is substantially better than this
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I had forgotten that Bashir was also the CMO for Ezri during all this and only had a 'scary' beard while at S31 headquarters. The rest I just didn't include in my highlights by choice. What a total mess. What happened to the Romulan cold war stuff they were working towards at the end of 7...  I blame JJ for blowing them up as a minor plot point to make his garbage, and the writers of DS9 for not using the nearly two years of time between starting up with this doc and actually filming the writing session to do ANY research/re-watching of DS9. The best part is, in several scenes of their writing session, you can see that the table they're working around has the DS9 Companion book on it. Closed, obviously.Oh and while I'm making GBS threads on Ira in the documentary (most of the doc is actually pretty good, if way overly concerned with how much random people hated it), there is a scene where someone attempts to defend DS9's record on LGBTQ issues and brings up Profit and Lace as an example of an episode that "is more relevant today than back then even!" - which Ira shuts down because "it was only one episode and comedy is cheap and easy". As opposed to 'no, that episode was one of our worst and was done in a super offensive manner'. Gorgo Primus fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Someone please take Trek upstate to a farm where it has lots of space and can run free with the other retired shows.
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I wonder if every single other person who lives in the universe thinks it's unfair that nowhere in the galaxy can you qualify for promotion unless at one point 20 years ago your interstellar flight routed you through that one lovely cardassian airport
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ALRIGHT, YA FOOKIN' GEEKS. Continue Star Trek. Give me a premise for Post-Dominion war/Voyager/Nemesis/JJ Abrams horse poo poo romulus blowing up. For my own money - Immediately kill off Section 31 before the first season is over. That's about it, actually. I actually hate Section 31.
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Everyone in Starfleet is in Section 31, they just pretend to be ignorant as part of their cover.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:ALRIGHT, YA FOOKIN' GEEKS. - a long denouement that explores how the characters come to grips with the aftermath of the conflict, without introducing greater density and intensity of pew pews - overall positivity
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Pick posted:I wonder if every single other person who lives in the universe thinks it's unfair that nowhere in the galaxy can you qualify for promotion unless at one point 20 years ago your interstellar flight routed you through that one lovely cardassian airport Pick posted:- a long denouement that explores how the characters come to grips with the aftermath of the conflict, without introducing greater density and intensity of pew pews I dont mean season 8. I mean this is Star Trek: Postwar. Star Trek: Reconstruction.
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