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Getting DD’d in a blackbird in 2008 in Delve I was pretty cool. When it came on grid I metaphorically poo poo myself.
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Torpedoes used to be AoE? 
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Dalael posted:What's a killboard again? -Logi bros. It's that thing that wins us all our objective timers because PAPI are too scared to look bad on it
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May 1, 2022 23:53
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Ynglaur posted:Torpedoes used to be AoE? small aoe yes. they also only traveled at 1k/sec and were long range so would take forever. long line of big blobs floating tward a target.
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May 2, 2022 01:06
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cavalry ravens traveling at the exact speed of torps from 200km out so they all land at once
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May 2, 2022 02:56
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:cavalry ravens traveling at the exact speed of torps from 200km out so they all land at once Reminds me of doing bombing runs in DarkSpace, a competitor game at the time.
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how do you counterplay a jamming ship if you cant shoot at it like please explain how that was good game design before
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May 2, 2022 04:12
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Mr. Grinch posted:how do you counterplay a jamming ship if you cant shoot at it like please explain how that was good game design before If a sensor damping ship is at 70km, which they always are if they're smart, it's effectively identical to old ECM The counter play is having your buddies shoot them, or to fit mods that reduce the odds of being jammed. I'm not saying the exact way the old ECM was, is great game design. But the new ECM is so useless you almost never see it. Maybe make two versions of single ECM, one that follows the current rules and has the same strength/range, and then perhaps a "focused" ECM with less range, but follows the old system. I'd also like to point out that with the ECCM being scripts now, that sigamps and sensor boosters are universal counters to damps and ECM, rather than being a discreet mod that nobody ever fit like it used to be. Or perhaps there should be a quick minigame that pops up when you get jammed, where if you do the butans properly it breaks the jam and lets you re-lock. Call it recalibrating your sensors to a different frequency or something. I'm just spitballin there but the current ECM meta sucks, and you practically never see ECM ships out in the wild anymore.
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ecm can still jam people off ihubs so yes it does get used
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Remember when you could lay down mines?
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:let's be real, did ecm really need the nerf? Ynglaur posted:Torpedoes used to be AoE? Dalmuti posted:Remember when you could lay down mines? EVE Classic please. If its a full economy reset I promise to give you money for at least a year CCP
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Dalmuti posted:Remember when you could lay down mines? And get concordokkened for it!
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The worst part of jamming is when the jam drips down your monitor.
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Ynglaur posted:Torpedoes used to be AoE? Go far enough back, would you believe they were often launched by Typhoons often travelling over 6km/s, nossing the target while keeping them warp scramed? Those were the days. Bring back gate instas, or something something...
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Get rid of drone bandwidth and bring back Dominix Supremacy
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Mr. Grinch posted:how do you counterplay a jamming ship if you cant shoot at it like please explain how that was good game design before there are like 6 modules and 2 weapon systems that can apply to a jamming ship
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Rutibex posted:Get rid of drone bandwidth and bring back Dominix Supremacy yes give me back that 7 heavy drone thorax please and thank you
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:there are like 6 modules and 2 weapon systems that can apply to a jamming ship sure, I specifically meant what are you supposed to do against the guy permanently preventing you from targeting anything, himself included. I think it makes sense to allow the jammed ship to at least target the guy preventing them from shooting at anyone else, given that the ECM ship is presumably positioned in such a way to mitigate getting immediately owned by the ship theyre jamming. also personally I think complete target prevention is bad and ECM would be cooler if it was merely more powerful versions of reduction in tracking/lock range rather than "you cant shoot at anything, gently caress you"
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I feel like those ships need a total overhaul at this point. A lot of skill investment went poof after those changes. My poor scorp 
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Mr. Grinch posted:sure, I specifically meant what are you supposed to do against the guy permanently preventing you from targeting anything, himself included. I think it makes sense to allow the jammed ship to at least target the guy preventing them from shooting at anyone else, given that the ECM ship is presumably positioned in such a way to mitigate getting immediately owned by the ship theyre jamming. Allowing the jammer to get targeted has a reverse effect. If a solo ship fits ECM and gets caught by a fast ship with a point, they might try to use ECM to break the tackle's lock. Except the ECM doesn't break the lock and it's now an entirely useless mod fit to the ship, unless you're looking to drain extra cap. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't with ECM balancing. Either it's extremely powerful, or it's a useless mod unless used in very niche cases in fleets.
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Make the jammer not show up on overview and you have to click them in space to lock them. Mostly because I want to see somebody hunt for the one Griffin in a ball of 200 of them.
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Floppychop posted:Make the jammer not show up on overview and you have to click them in space to lock them.
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ECM should take a page from IRL radar jamming and spawn a bunch of identical overview and space "ghost" contacts that fade in and out. Hope you're shooting at the right one, it's an 18% chance!
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Dieting Hippo posted:Allowing the jammer to get targeted has a reverse effect. If a solo ship fits ECM and gets caught by a fast ship with a point, they might try to use ECM to break the tackle's lock. Except the ECM doesn't break the lock and it's now an entirely useless mod fit to the ship, unless you're looking to drain extra cap. I feel like this is a bit like saying fitting a web and scram is pointless because it doesnt keep you from getting pointed yourself. even if you werent flying an ECM ship, isnt getting caught extremely bad? In my prior example I was saying there is counterplay provided youre staying outside the range where you could just get instantly hosed; your example starts with that as a baseline Edit: also I wasnt talking about solo necessarily, I understand that jamming is pointless in a 1v1 Mr. Grinch fucked around with this message at 01:50 on May 3, 2022 |
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Dik Hz posted:Control-drag a box around the whole fleet in space. No dragging, have to click the exact ship. MRC48B posted:ECM should take a page from IRL radar jamming and spawn a bunch of identical overview and space "ghost" contacts that fade in and out. This is a much better idea.
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MRC48B posted:ECM should take a page from IRL radar jamming and spawn a bunch of identical overview and space "ghost" contacts that fade in and out. this is unironically a cool idea
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I love that idea.
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join hole squad
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:join hole squad is that what we call furnoks chest now?
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ded posted:is that what we call furnoks chest now? [03:00:33] Aiden Erhmentraut > So he's be great at parties as a mobile dip station
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Mr. Grinch posted:Edit: also I wasnt talking about solo necessarily, I understand that jamming is pointless in a 1v1 Yeah I get you weren't talking about solo, but it was A Thing at one point to try and at least counter getting jumped. In 1v1+ now, don't even bother with it.
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oh i would probably only fly a Scorpion in a tidi slog just to grief as many enemies as possible otherwise im gunboat all the way
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Mr. Grinch posted:sure, I specifically meant what are you supposed to do against the guy permanently preventing you from targeting anything, himself included. I think it makes sense to allow the jammed ship to at least target the guy preventing them from shooting at anyone else, given that the ECM ship is presumably positioned in such a way to mitigate getting immediately owned by the ship theyre jamming. no
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Globby, stay out of the grownup discussion. We all know you love nothing more than to gank defenseless target and any that escapes is enough to make you whine for months about how you cant kill anything.
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Like, you are a great player but when it comes to any kind of balance, you are way too loving biased.
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Dalael posted:Globby, stay out of the grownup discussion. We all know you love nothing more than to gank defenseless target and any that escapes is enough to make you whine for months about how you cant kill anything. you're stupid imagine falling for the cringe pubbie propaganda
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Given that CCP 2022 seem largely incapable of doing anything other than changing numbers on a spreadsheet, my own dumb idea is to have ECM be like it used to be but drop the range drastically, to around 10km. That means instead of being anti-everything it becomes like an inverse sensor dampener, so it acts as a specific counter to the close range preferences of the Gallente, their racial foe, and forces those opponents to engage at a longer range that plays into the hands of Caldari sniping doctrines. And it can be implemented in five minutes of code adjustment. I realise that point blank brawling is underpowered in fleet combat already but that's a whole separate issue to tackle.
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:you're stupid Im basing this on cringe pubbie propaganda alright. Years worth of your posting.
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Dalael posted:Im basing this on cringe pubbie propaganda alright. Years worth of your posting. ok atlantis racist guy Roller Coast Guard posted:Given that CCP 2022 seem largely incapable of doing anything other than changing numbers on a spreadsheet, my own dumb idea is to have ECM be like it used to be but drop the range drastically, to around 10km. That means instead of being anti-everything it becomes like an inverse sensor dampener, so it acts as a specific counter to the close range preferences of the Gallente, their racial foe, and forces those opponents to engage at a longer range that plays into the hands of Caldari sniping doctrines. And it can be implemented in five minutes of code adjustment. just revert it to how it was it was better that way
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ded posted:yes give me back that 7 heavy drone thorax please and thank you i thought it was 8? edit: yeah, it was 8 heavy drones in a thorax way back when Frida Call Me fucked around with this message at 14:55 on May 3, 2022 |
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