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Gonz posted:Huh. I could’ve sworn I remember reading an interview where he said meth, too. If i’m wrong, then my bad, Tom Hardy. I mean, it wouldn't shock me, generally speaking if you're drunk 24 / 7 and doing mountains of coke, you're probably into some other hard poo poo.
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I think Nemesis is the only Trek movie I've only seen once. I never fully rewatched Into Darkness but I've seen bits again.
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Jun 14, 2019 22:13
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Into Darkness was bad, but yes Nemesis was worse. Imo the last true and good Star Trek movie that wasn't just an action movie in a Star Fleet uniform was ST6. ST4 was the best one of course.
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Jun 14, 2019 22:14
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Peachfart posted:Into Darkness was bad Into Darkness only has two genuinely egregious sins: Hitting the reset button on Kirk and Spock's friendship that was built on '09, so right from the start they're back to hating each other for some reason, and some truly awful dialogue.  "Where's the damage?" MAJOR HULL DAMAGE CAPTAINWell, gee golly, my cup runneth loving over.  I WILL TARGET YOUR AFT NACELLEwhat the gently caress is an aft nacelle they are parallel to one another
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Jun 14, 2019 22:19
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Timby posted:Into Darkness only has two genuinely egregious sins: Hitting the reset button on Kirk and Spock's friendship that was built on '09, so right from the start they're back to hating each other for some reason, and some truly awful dialogue. Magic blood
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Delthalaz posted:Magic blood In a franchise in which a Borg cube somehow goes into self-destruct because all the Borg go into their regeneration state (  ), and Spock mind-rapes Valeris for the location of the peace conference then two seconds later says, "oh, hey, just call Sulu, he'll know," magic blood has never bothered me.
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Timby posted:Into Darkness only has two genuinely egregious sins: Hitting the reset button on Kirk and Spock's friendship that was built on '09, so right from the start they're back to hating each other for some reason, and some truly awful dialogue. Doing a 9/11 truther plot Pretty much the whole third act is  and certainly the whole thing is a wet fart compared to the thing it regrettably and embarrassingly leans on for cred, Star Trek II
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Into Darkness is the only Trek movie I've only seen once and have no intention of ever watching again.
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Jun 14, 2019 22:52
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Doing a 9/11 truther plot Nemesis rips off Star Trek II far more than Into Darkness, down to the science officer saying goodbye to his captain and sacrificing his life to save the Enterprise from a ticking time bomb doomsday device.
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Timby posted:Nemesis rips off Star Trek II far more than Into Darkness, down to the science officer saying goodbye to his captain and sacrificing his life to save the Enterprise from a ticking time bomb doomsday device. I'm not picking favorites here, we can bury both in the dustbin of Bad Trek It's pretty impressive that Nemesis stands out as bad when there are no good TNG movies though
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Jun 14, 2019 23:30
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I'm not picking favorites here, we can bury both in the dustbin of Bad Trek But it's so much fun to root through that bin!
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Into Darkness is a lousy Star Trek movie and worse sequel, but if I saw it in a vacuum I could enjoy it if only for the spectacle. (In fact, many casual moviegoers did.) Nemesis is just an ugly, poorly-written, shamefully composed, and cheap-looking mess from top to bottom. It's not just a bad Trek movie, it's just flat-out one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Into Darkness is a lousy Star Trek movie and worse sequel, but if I saw it in a vacuum I could enjoy it if only for the spectacle. (In fact, many casual moviegoers did.) Nemesis is just an ugly, poorly-written, shamefully composed, and cheap-looking mess from top to bottom. It's not just a bad Trek movie, it's just flat-out one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Nemesis sucks and is disappointing but as a connoisseur of fine cinematic garbage this isn't remotely true, for me at least.
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09 and Into Darkness are the best Star Wars films since Empire Strikes Back.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Into Darkness is a lousy Star Trek movie and worse sequel, but if I saw it in a vacuum I could enjoy it if only for the spectacle. (In fact, many casual moviegoers did.) Nemesis is just an ugly, poorly-written, shamefully composed, and cheap-looking mess from top to bottom. It's not just a bad Trek movie, it's just flat-out one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It at least has moments. The Vengeance battle where it blows a bunch of dudes into space and just loving slaps the Enterprise out of warp is very cool.
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Orv posted:Nemesis sucks and is disappointing but as a connoisseur of fine cinematic garbage this isn't remotely true, for me at least.  Watching pure unbearable trash gives you necessary context into how many “Worst Ever!” movies are really just thoroughly mediocre. Nemesis is the worst Star Trek movie, but it doesn’t even move the needle when compared to poo poo like Pass-Thru or Foodfight or Between Worlds.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:
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Grand Fromage posted:It at least has moments. The Vengeance battle where it blows a bunch of dudes into space and just loving slaps the Enterprise out of warp is very cool. I wasnt really a battle, though. Actually how many times are there shipfights in Trek movies where the Enterprise doesn't get slapped down effortlessly in under a minite
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Tunicate posted:I wasnt really a battle, though.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:
Don't forget the existence of anything by Coleman Francis.
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There's a difference between ripping off Wrath of Khan (Nemesis) and deliberately invoking the comparison (Into Darkness). Neither is necessarily a good thing or pulled off well, but it's easy to see the former as worse. Then again I can also see the argument that the latter is worse. Both bad.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I mean Generations was bad for that but in WoK and TUC it did pretty well In TWoK the Enterprise does get crippled right at the start, so its still halfway there.
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Tunicate posted:I wasnt really a battle, though. The Enterprise is always getting clowned on in movies but it was still a cool clowning.
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Tunicate posted:I wasnt really a battle, though. Nemesis 
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Kibayasu posted:Nemesis Fire ventral pha- 
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The Enterprise getting busted up in TWoK is different from any of the fights where the Enterprise gets pulverized by a ship that is just magically superior in every way. Khan gets the drop in Kirk, giving his inferior ship and inexperienced crew an advantage over Kirk through, you know, an actual loving tactic instead of just bigger numbers. That's a big part of why the space combat in TWOK is tense and interesting. Both sides are more or less evenly matched and vying for an advantage. I'll take the big Evil Enterprise in Into Darkness over the razor blade warbird in Nemesis because at least the first has a plot reason to exist and be much stronger than the Enterprise. The ship in Nemesis makes zero sense on every level. Either way, watching these giant murder ships nuke the heroes is incredibly boring, there's no chance the heroes will win until the writer reveals there macguffin that will save the day. The big swarm in Beyond worked for me because it felt very alien to what space combat looks like in Trek, and it was the beginning of the movie, not the final battle.
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Tunicate posted:I wasnt really a battle, though. First Contact!
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The ship in 09 Trek works as well. It's giant because it's a mining ship, it outclasses everything because it's from 200 years in the future, but it can be beaten because it is still just a mining ship.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:The ship in 09 Trek works as well. It's giant because it's a mining ship, it outclasses everything because it's from 200 years in the future, but it can be beaten because it is still just a mining ship. What kind of hosed up poo poo are the future Romulans mining that they need MIRV torpedos?
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Orv posted:What kind of hosed up poo poo are the future Romulans mining that they need MIRV torpedos? I think he went and "requisitioned" those himself from a base after his planet was destroyed
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Probably but it's more fun to imagine some kind of super hosed up asteroid mite or something.
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Orv posted:Probably but it's more fun to imagine some kind of super hosed up asteroid mite or something. Must have contracted with the company from Dead Space.
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Zonko_T.M. posted:Khan gets the drop in Kirk Stay outta mah fanfic folder! 
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Zonko_T.M. posted:The Enterprise getting busted up in TWoK is different from any of the fights where the Enterprise gets pulverized by a ship that is just magically superior in every way. Khan gets the drop in Kirk, giving his inferior ship and inexperienced crew an advantage over Kirk through, you know, an actual loving tactic instead of just bigger numbers. That's a big part of why the space combat in TWOK is tense and interesting. Both sides are more or less evenly matched and vying for an advantage. And that carries through to the end too. Until Khan stars the genesis countdown, both ships have beat each other to poo poo to the point where they are both just limping along. Again, the only reason why the Enterprise gets the upper hand at the end is tactics until Khan just decides to flip over the whole table because he lost his game of chess. It's also a true no win situation. You can't get away without warp. All hands would be lost. You are alone, in the rear end end of space. You can't evacuate.
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I like how we're complaining about Into Darkness and no one has pointed out that they turned an Indian man played by a Hispanic man into literally the whitest man imaginable
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What pissed me off was that people were complaining before the film came out that it was bullshit whitewashing to cast Cumberbatch... so they lied and said he wasn't playing Khan. (And appearance aside, he was a terrible choice; Khan's a passionate, energetic, over-the-top presence, but Cumberbatch never plays anything except emotionless super-geniuses.) Angry Salami fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jun 15, 2019 |
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Turning him into Khan always felt like a late-into-shooting script change because it has no importance within the actual story. All it does is give the audience a little gasp and allows that terrible Spock Skype call to happen. Cumberbatch should have just stayed John Harrison and been a henchman of Khan’s and then the final shot should have set up the real Khan for a sequel. Keep everything else the same so that you have the crew and ship just wrecked by this second banana and leave everyone wondering just how much more powerful, intelligent, and dangerous Khan will be.
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Well I know Benicio Del Toro was their first choice for Khan but they didn’t want to pay him
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Timby posted:Into Darkness only has two genuinely egregious sins: Hitting the reset button on Kirk and Spock's friendship that was built on '09, so right from the start they're back to hating each other for some reason, and some truly awful dialogue. I think you have to add that terrible scene with Carol and Kirk in the shuttlecraft, too. That scene is such a hit job on Kirk's character, and the lingerie shot is just totally gratuitous.
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