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Discendo Vox posted:link please, not because of fetishes but because I didn't know there was a doctors thread.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:You’re the one who said pediatricians feel different Like, they definitely need to be reported. Would a law student.
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The guy apparently wears diapers to class and his ENTIRE Twitter is devoted to diaper fetishism and saying he’s going to medical school and some combination thereof. He talks about prescribing diapers and laxatives. It’s really  how deep the rabbit hole goes.
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Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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Apr 7, 2018 03:26
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Discendo Vox posted:Reading this modest proposal in the law questions thread is just deeply disturbing. I pray this guy doesn't have venture capital. I was expecting a, uh, bit more familiarity with, um, anything involved when he said he was doing this.
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Apr 7, 2018 03:46
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He’s totally clueless about a hundred or so variables in the legal system that cannot possibly be adequately accounted for by a beep boop Lawbook.com algorithm
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Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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I might have some equity left that I can liquidate to invest. lmk
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Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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Flutieflakes017 posted:Oh boy, it's going to be a fun summer wondering if you did enough to put yourself in a position to get an offer from OCI. Have you nailed down this summer yet? I went to law school with the intention of being a public defender. This summer I am working at a Colorado public defenders office. I don't think I'm bitch made like toona but I guess we will see
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Apr 7, 2018 05:35
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Kawasaki Nun posted:I went to law school with the intention of being a public defender. This summer I am working at a Colorado public defenders office. By and large, they are a really good bunch of folks with a good organization behind them.
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Toona the Cat posted:I might have some equity left that I can liquidate to invest. lmk How about bitcoins but for lawyers? Kawasaki Nun posted:I went to law school with the intention of being a public defender. This summer I am working at a Colorado public defenders office. Come to california, as far as I know, we pay pds way more than elsewhere. More than enough to make up for col differences too. If you're a 1l, try to do your summer here. Also no one but sf and santa clara counties give a poo poo about grades here. nm fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Apr 7, 2018 |
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Apr 7, 2018 05:59
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nm posted:How about bitcoins but for lawyers? No joke, friend from first day of law school is now a crypto currency lawyer in San Francisco. So apparently that’s a thing.
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Apr 7, 2018 06:03
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Vox Nihili posted:But seriously, if he popped a 170 hes basically a classic splitter and could potentially scrape his way into Northwestern, Cornell, University of Texas, or UCLA and coast to a miserable 3 or 4 year long biglaw career. I believe. Yeah that was me. Probably could have used that site to bargain for more money but I am stupid and I make I impulsive decisions. echopapa posted:You want to practice law someplace warm, you say? Speaking of Impulsive, you never mentioned Chinese girls before. Will keep this in mind. Maybe I can keep up my mandarin and be a lawyer after all.
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Apr 7, 2018 06:06
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:He thinks because he was able to earn a 3.0 in undergrad he will now miraculously get a top 25% in law school. Vox Nihili posted:But seriously, if he popped a 170 hes basically a classic splitter and could potentially scrape his way into Northwestern, Cornell, University of Texas, or UCLA and coast to a miserable 3 or 4 year long biglaw career. I believe. haha oh man i wasn't gonna post much in this thread until i passed the bar but this is so familiar-sounding that i think i have a moral obligation get money, we have somewhat similar academic resumes and reasons for coming to law school (money, variety of work, suitable skillset). i'm staring down the barrel of a miserable 3 or 4 year long biglaw career to pay down my debt, because i am competent enough at the work of law but also lazy. i'm lucky, in that respect; several of my friends at school failed to get jobs out of OCI, and their past year has been steady trickle of interviews and declining mental health as they've flown all over the nation so they could get rejected by firms. and we're in what most people would probably consider a better starting point, based on what you're saying about where you plan to go to school. there are success stories but they're mostly sociopaths or people with actual work ethics. don't go to law school.
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Apr 7, 2018 06:46
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This has been powerful and compelling stuff everyone. I appreciate the few naysayers as much as the overwhelming positive feedback on both law school and practice. It all will be taken under consideration as I evaluate whether my exceptional talents and "work smart not hard" philosophy will translate to prosperity in the legal field. I'm at least leaning back towards Canadian schools for future employment potential (though a Guam job would be extremely tempting).
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Re: good outcomes from Biglaw: After 5 blissful years out of the profession, which I mostly spent selling techy things to lawyers, my latest job change has finally had something magical happen: from the end of this month I’m moving to a senior business role at a headline client of my old (NYC) firm. One of my former clients ended up becoming a VP there and wants me to handle their global partnerships. The good: junior partner level pay plus attractive stock options in a really exciting tech company, and what sounds like an actually interesting, challenging role with the cooler sort of international travel. It’s a real job that isn’t being a lawyer. Plus, client entertainment from my former partners. The bad: The reason I know this guy is he’s ex private equity and I’m p sure he hired me in part because he assumes I’ll be as cool with working every god damned second now as I was when I was a senior associate. Also, even the cooler sort of business travel still sucks. But it’s a role I would never have got close to without biglaw or, I dunno, spending 5 years in consulting. So I’m feeling a lot rosier about all those years turning SPAs after midnight right now.
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GET MONEY posted:This has been powerful and compelling stuff everyone. I appreciate the few naysayers as much as the overwhelming positive feedback on both law school and practice. It all will be taken under consideration as I evaluate whether my exceptional talents and "work smart not hard" philosophy will translate to prosperity in the legal field. I'm at least leaning back towards Canadian schools for future employment potential (though a Guam job would be extremely tempting). Few naysayers? Overwhelming positive feedback? Are you being sarcastic or are you really that dense?
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Apr 7, 2018 12:37
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Mr. Nice! posted:Are you being sarcastic or are you really that dense? Yes
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Flutieflakes017 posted:No joke, friend from first day of law school is now a crypto currency lawyer in San Francisco. So apparently that’s a thing. that might wind up being me, unironically, except that I still hate law and will do everything I can to avoid it don't go to law school
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Apr 7, 2018 12:50
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GET MONEY posted:"work smart not hard" philosophy So someone should probably explain the concept of "billables" to you too, huh. Especially since this is usually shorthand for "I'm lazy but do enough to scrape by". No judgement, that's fine in a lot of jobs, but in my experience that's often what it means. Not unrelated but a friend of mine who graduated this year with me is working at a medium sized firm and regularly puts in 12+ hour days. Within the last few weeks she had a literal 22 hour day. She then had work the next day. If you're not familiar with law and legal hierarchies you really need to understand how they work too, although I'm willing to accept this may vary by region (but I'd bet it probably doesn't vary that much). Where I am, the legal profession is incredibly hierarchical, comparable to the army (according to friends of mine with experience in both). If you can't handle being bottom of the pecking order, having to hold your tongue around stupid ideas that you know are moronic, and staying back for no reason other than your Principal is still around, don't even consider law for a single second.
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Apr 7, 2018 12:55
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Flutieflakes017 posted:No joke, friend from first day of law school is now a crypto currency lawyer in San Francisco. So apparently that’s a thing. It no jokes is. I'm getting an increasing frequency of cold calls/emails from recruiters looking for people to "transition into" the "tech transactions/privacy space." Cap markets work is already enough not-my-thing, why would I do it for shadier clients with the SEC and CFTC breathing down their necks?
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GET MONEY posted:This has been powerful and compelling stuff everyone. I appreciate the few naysayers as much as the overwhelming positive feedback on both law school and practice. It all will be taken under consideration as I evaluate whether my exceptional talents and "work smart not hard" philosophy will translate to prosperity in the legal field. I'm at least leaning back towards Canadian schools for future employment potential (though a Guam job would be extremely tempting). I would echo what everyone else here has said that unless you can get into Harvard, Yale or Stanford you're probably better off staying north of the border. The law societies up here seem to be more effective in their trade guild role in that they more effectively restrict the supply of lawyers by limiting the opening new law schools so we don't seem to have the same scale of issues as Americans do with an oversupply of lovely lawyers from lovely schools. That said, I have known people who had great difficulty getting articles which is a terrifying thought. I think there are articles in the lawyer magazines that could tell you more about the chances that you won't get a job or be allowed to practice law. The only person I knew from my class who didn't get articles, or who really struggled, was terrible and the biggest rear end in a top hat I've ever met in my life so your mileage may vary. I can say that I went to the University of Toronto (supposedly the 'best' law school in Canada, if you ask our recruiters) and I think I only had a 170 on the LSAT. Maybe less than that, I honestly can't remember. But, I had a ~93% average in undergrad. Clearly they care more about grades than LSAT scores.
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Flutieflakes017 posted:No joke, friend from first day of law school is now a crypto currency lawyer in San Francisco. So apparently that’s a thing. Actually a good niche to get in to. All kinds of securities and tax unresolved issues, plus sweet sweet fraud. I follow crypto and block chain cases for my firm. Ask me anything.
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Discendo Vox posted:I have a body stuck on this submarine that I can't get rid of. What's a blockchain solution for this problem?
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Discendo Vox posted:I have a body stuck on this submarine that I can't get rid of. What's a blockchain solution for this problem? Form an LLC for the submarine and call it Blockchain whatever and then you’ll get lots of investment dollars for a quality legal defense and/or some Russian mob fixers. I’ll need a $100k retainer to hold that bag.
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Look Sir Droids posted:Actually a good niche to get in to. All kinds of securities and tax unresolved issues, plus sweet sweet fraud. Yeah, completely agree. He gets to do alot of interesting work for a variety of clients-- some of which are this close to getting popped by the SEC! Just think about the phrase "partner in San Francisco based cryptocurrency firm" for a moment and imagine the angry spergs he works for though.
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Flutieflakes017 posted:Yeah, completely agree. He gets to do alot of interesting work for a variety of clients-- some of which are this close to getting popped by the SEC! Just think about the phrase "partner in San Francisco based cryptocurrency firm" for a moment and imagine the angry spergs he works for though. I just pictured the Pied Piper lawyer from Silicon Valley. Seems like an acceptable trade off.
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nm posted:How about bitcoins but for lawyers? The thought has certainly crossed my mind. I miss living by an ocean. I'll keep your recommendation in mind for next summer if my eyes are still a-wandering
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I had a client ask me to hold on to his/her drugs for him/her. He/She was genuinely surprised that I said no and asked him/her to come back when not carrying.
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Gleri posted:I can say that I went to the University of Toronto (supposedly the 'best' law school in Canada, if you ask our recruiters) and I think I only had a 170 on the LSAT. Maybe less than that, I honestly can't remember. But, I had a ~93% average in undergrad. Clearly they care more about grades than LSAT scores. Sadly, UofT already dinged me. Stupid GPA focus -- almost anyone can get great grades with enough time invested. In the real world there's a limited amount of time to invest, so what good is GPA as a measurement? But I digress Whitlam posted:So someone should probably explain the concept of "billables" to you too, huh. Especially since this is usually shorthand for "I'm lazy but do enough to scrape by". No judgement, that's fine in a lot of jobs, but in my experience that's often what it means. [...] Where I am, the legal profession is incredibly hierarchical, comparable to the army (according to friends of mine with experience in both). If you can't handle being bottom of the pecking order, having to hold your tongue around stupid ideas that you know are moronic, and staying back for no reason other than your Principal is still around, don't even consider law for a single second. Let's say this is an accurate characterization. Are there many chances to find efficiencies in practice? Right now, if anything is extremely routine I figure out how to automate it and not tell anyone my job's being done by a button and a script. Is this going to conflict with the 2700 annual billable hours model of big law litigator? Otherwise it doesn't sound too different from any large corporate career and it would be nice to be surrounded by more cynical and depressed personalities.
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GET MONEY posted:Sadly, UofT already dinged me. Stupid GPA focus -- almost anyone can get great grades with enough time invested. In the real world there's a limited amount of time to invest, so what good is GPA as a measurement? But I digress i want to frame this whole post
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This is amazing and why I read your thread despite my eyes glazing over for 95% of posts.
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GET MONEY posted:Let's say this is an accurate characterization. Are there many chances to find efficiencies in practice? Right now, if anything is extremely routine I figure out how to automate it and not tell anyone my job's being done by a button and a script. Is this going to conflict with the 2700 annual billable hours model of big law litigator? Well, your options when you do that as a litigator are to tell someone what you’ve done and then you’ll get a pat on the back and some more work to fill your newly freed time, or to lie on your time entry about your billable hours and commit both an ethical and legal violation.
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Kalman posted:Well, your options when you do that as a litigator are to tell someone what you’ve done and then you’ll get a pat on the back and some more work to fill your newly freed time, or to lie on your time entry about your billable hours and commit both an ethical and legal violation. it's cool to look at that and go 'oh right, this is how all these startups just blatantly commit fraud and think nothing of it'
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Get Money, google “bimodal distribution law salaries.” Also definitely go to a poo poo tier law school in Southern California (a market that attracts top law students nationwide) and keep posting in this thread please, thanks
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GET MONEY posted:Sadly, UofT already dinged me. Stupid GPA focus -- almost anyone can get great grades with enough time invested. In the real world there's a limited amount of time to invest, so what good is GPA as a measurement? But I digress Please note that the poster you're quoting, who did attend UofT, says they only got 170. Your score isn't as exceptional as you think. Law schools could probably fill half the class straight up with scores like yours or better, so of course they look at grades too. The LSAT isn't a reflection of anyone's ability to do well at law school or in legal practice, it's a glorified and very basic reading/logic test. But all that aside, you best be prepared to give up your career for this: http://vancouversun.com/news/politics/ian-mulgrew-legal-aid-less-than-minimum-wage-prominent-lawyer-complains . I know you think you'll beat out the hundreds of law students who work harder than you, are smarter than you, more articulate than you, more experienced than you, and went to better schools than you seem to be able to get into. I'll grant that's a possibility. But if it doesn't happen that way, and you do pass the bar and find articles/an associate position, you're also competing with them for the same jobs. You might get to be those idiots on Suits, but you're far more likely to live like season one of Better Call Saul. GET MONEY posted:Let's say this is an accurate characterization. Are there many chances to find efficiencies in practice? Right now, if anything is extremely routine I figure out how to automate it and not tell anyone my job's being done by a button and a script. Is this going to conflict with the 2700 annual billable hours model of big law litigator? Otherwise it doesn't sound too different from any large corporate career and it would be nice to be surrounded by more cynical and depressed personalities. Hahahaha no. I work in the nichest of niche panda law areas dealing with the same reports by the same experts across the table from the exact same Crown counsel in the same tribunal more than a hundred times a year and it terrifies me to think of what would happen if I attempted to automate any part of my practice outside of keeping a database of client information. Every file is completely unique and putting one through a machine is just begging for a malpractice claim. The only thing routine about legal practice is ending every conversation with a client and thinking "poo poo I better send them a letter documenting that I told them not to do a stupid thing that I know they're going to do anyway because if I don't they're going to sue me for not telling them the thing I just told them," so I guess you could automate your phone to call up a new document in Word as soon as you hang up I guess. Never forget clients will completely disregard the artisan-researched bespoke hand-crafted creative lateral-thinking legal solution that you would love to come up with, poo poo the bed, and then tell you that you put the poo poo there. LeschNyhan fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Apr 7, 2018 |
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GET MONEY posted:Let's say this is an accurate characterization. Are there many chances to find efficiencies in practice? Right now, if anything is extremely routine I figure out how to automate it and not tell anyone my job's being done by a button and a script. Is this going to conflict with the 2700 annual billable hours model of big law litigator? Otherwise it doesn't sound too different from any large corporate career and it would be nice to be surrounded by more cynical and depressed personalities. loving hell, divide 2700 by 365. Actually, gently caress it, let's be lenient and divide 2400 by 360. You get 6.6. If you are in biglaw (or anything that has more than 10-12 lawyers, really), your amount of billed hours has to even out around that number. Most of the time 1 hour billed amounts to about 1.3 - 1.5 hours of actual work, because believe me there's a lot of poo poo you have to do that you simply cannot bill, because of one of three reasons: a) it's unethical, b) the client will see that you spent 15 minutes writing a two-sentence email (even though you actually did, because you must think though every loving word in every loving email you send to literally anyone) and won't come back, or c) you'll spend more time putting the entry into whatever billing software the firm is using than you've spent actually doing that thing. Multiply 6.6 by 1.5. That's 9.9. This is the average amount of time you'll spend working per day... except this doesn't take into account the slower weeks when you are only able to bill like 25-30 hours, this doesn't take into account some of the holidays when you won't do a lot of work, this doesn't take into account the occasional weekend (you're not gonna get every weekend, but you'll still get some weekends, or at least Saturdays off). This doesn't take into account the loving commute. When they say that if you're a biglaw associate you can't have a life outside of being a biglaw associate, this is not a figure of loving speech. This is literally, literally loving true. Automating poo poo is both a malpractice claim waiting to happen AND a way to fail to meet the billable hours requirements. Don't. Go. To. loving. Law. School.
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LeschNyhan posted:Please note that the poster you're quoting, who did attend UofT, says they only got 170. Your score isn't as exceptional as you think. Law schools could probably fill half the class straight up with scores like yours or better, so of course they look at grades too. The LSAT isn't a reflection of anyone's ability to do well at law school or in legal practice, it's a glorified and very basic reading/logic test. There's 8000 LSAT takers in Canada every year, so even generously a pool of 20000 applicants means only 600 excel at reading/logic, the most essential of skills? There's like 6 really portable schools in Canada tops, each taking 300 new JDs/year SHOULD mean plenty of room for the geniuses first and still some spots for normies with cool life stories. That article is very interesting though. Seems like the market incentivizes rapidly opening files and finding the best way for the client to rush to trial -- beat the case quickly, get it out of their life. Ten a month would be $9000, does a PD really need more than 16-20 hours per client open to close? It's still difficult to tell whether actual lawyering is mechanically routine or impossibly unique; either would be bad, both together would be intriguing. Also sounds like cases should be distributed not so experienced lawyers can cherry pick but using data on case success rate vs close time. edit: further research on LSS Tariffs suggests there could be a lot of optimal strategies, like rushing to contest fitness and mental health at $450 each/half day? When it says half day that time is likely not all in court doing lawyer stuff on that case, right? I can be waiting for the judge or w/e and still be on a laptop working on cases 2-10? Alexeythegreat posted:When they say that if you're a biglaw associate you can't have a life outside of being a biglaw associate, this is not a figure of loving speech. This is literally, literally loving true. Automating poo poo is both a malpractice claim waiting to happen AND a way to fail to meet the billable hours requirements. This sounds like a terrible life and the flashbacks to using some mandatory antiquated time tracking software are legitimately terrifying. But if the actual work is research and synthesis and writing, not just meetings and waiting around, it might be worth grinding it out on the right side of the bimodal income charts for a time. GET MONEY fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Apr 7, 2018 |
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