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Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.
That's a reasonable minimum wage. Now we have to tackle the other half of the affordability equation: costs. Specifically, housing. As long as supply is heavily constrained, any increases in income will have a substantial portion just dumped into more competition for housing that doesn't accomplish anything other than enriching landlords.

I think it'd be really funny if we had a law that just tied minimum wage to the median rent in a given area, such that a single earner would be able to afford a studio with 30% of their income, or a 1br with 40%. Then NIMBY cities would have to choose between keeping housing unaffordable to the working class OR keeping wages low; they wouldn't be able to have both.

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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
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Cicero posted:

That's a reasonable minimum wage. Now we have to tackle the other half of the affordability equation: costs. Specifically, housing. As long as supply is heavily constrained, any increases in income will have a substantial portion just dumped into more competition for housing that doesn't accomplish anything other than enriching landlords.

I think it'd be really funny if we had a law that just tied minimum wage to the median rent in a given area, such that a single earner would be able to afford a studio with 30% of their income, or a 1br with 40%. Then NIMBY cities would have to choose between keeping housing unaffordable to the working class OR keeping wages low; they wouldn't be able to have both.

I lust for Prop 13 death

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


H.P. Hovercraft posted:

I lust for Prop 13 death

Blood for the blood god. :black101:

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Blood for the blood god. :black101:

SKULLS (of the rich) FOR THE SKULL THRONE (of the poor)

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Had lunch with friends and friends of friends today.

One of them supports Trump. He mentioned Raising the Debt Ceiling as a motivation (amongst others).

They exist, even in The Islamic Shock's glorious Socialist godless libertopolis California.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
title stolen for lf posting

FilthyImp posted:

Had lunch with friends and friends of friends today.

One of them supports Trump. He mentioned Raising the Debt Ceiling as a motivation (amongst others).

They exist, even in The Islamic Shock's glorious Socialist godless libertopolis California.
The only trump people I know (that I know that I know anyway) are in CA.

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


I know a conservative central valley redneck dude who hates obama, is annoyed by the dumb liberals, thinks the drought is a government conspiracy, etc. But he really hates trump too, which was a pleasant surprise.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
title stolen for lf posting

Rah! posted:

I know a conservative central valley redneck dude who hates obama, is annoyed by the dumb liberals, thinks the drought is a government conspiracy, etc. But he really hates trump too, which was a pleasant surprise.
If he listens to right wing news they told him trump is No True Republican.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
I heard an ad on the radio the other day from a real estate firm that its never been a better time to buy an investment rental property

Minarchist
Mar 5, 2009

by WE B Bourgeois

lancemantis posted:

I heard an ad on the radio the other day from a real estate firm that its never been a better time to buy an investment rental property

Flip houses...with OTHER people's money! :monocle:

First time I heard that one I lost my poo poo, are they trying to redo 2008 all over again?

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
my mom is distressed by the comments sections she sees with chinese trumpers on chinese language news websites

i have to reassure her that people who comment on news articles are uniformly crazy

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Cicero posted:

That's a reasonable minimum wage. Now we have to tackle the other half of the affordability equation: costs. Specifically, housing. As long as supply is heavily constrained, any increases in income will have a substantial portion just dumped into more competition for housing that doesn't accomplish anything other than enriching landlords.

I think it'd be really funny if we had a law that just tied minimum wage to the median rent in a given area, such that a single earner would be able to afford a studio with 30% of their income, or a 1br with 40%. Then NIMBY cities would have to choose between keeping housing unaffordable to the working class OR keeping wages low; they wouldn't be able to have both.

read an article in the LA Times the other day about some people getting heated about a proposed couple 30(?) story apartment buildings on like Hollywood and Gordon, basically right in the middle of hollywood proper. The dude who runs the AIDS Healthcare Foundation is fighting hard against increased density on his website or pac or whatever at http://stopmanhattanwood.org/

anyways, I'm not sure who the good guys here are. ive always been of the thought that more density = better than, but I'm not very sophisticated and have a low IQ and also T level.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Minarchist posted:

Flip houses...with OTHER people's money! :monocle:

First time I heard that one I lost my poo poo, are they trying to redo 2008 all over again?

well they didn't get punished the first time

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

Smythe posted:

read an article in the LA Times the other day about some people getting heated about a proposed couple 30(?) story apartment buildings on like Hollywood and Gordon, basically right in the middle of hollywood proper. The dude who runs the AIDS Healthcare Foundation is fighting hard against increased density on his website or pac or whatever at http://stopmanhattanwood.org/

ive always been of the thought that more density = better than, but I'm not very sophisticated and have a low IQ and also T level.

More density does = better than, but Not In My Backyard.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Smythe posted:

read an article in the LA Times the other day about some people getting heated about a proposed couple 30(?) story apartment buildings on like Hollywood and Gordon, basically right in the middle of hollywood proper. The dude who runs the AIDS Healthcare Foundation is fighting hard against increased density on his website or pac or whatever at http://stopmanhattanwood.org/
For what it's worth, a high rise complex was built around the location of The Old Spaghetti Factory building around there. There's supposed to be a few scary fault lines in the area that would make big, dense buildings a bad idea.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
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FilthyImp posted:

For what it's worth, a high rise complex was built around the location of The Old Spaghetti Factory building around there. There's supposed to be a few scary fault lines in the area that would make big, dense buildings a bad idea.

those big dense buildings are the safest place to be during a seismic event because they'll have pilings sunken deep into the bedrock and will be built to withstand very high "sway" deflection

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
Yeah, designing new buildings in active seismic area is a solved problem these days.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
n/m

Zachack
Jun 1, 2000




FilthyImp posted:

For what it's worth, a high rise complex was built around the location of The Old Spaghetti Factory building around there. There's supposed to be a few scary fault lines in the area that would make big, dense buildings a bad idea.

If the buildings fall over they may crush Spaghetti Factory, though.

Improper Umlaut
Jun 8, 2009

I apologize in advance for opening this can of worms:

http://ktla.com/2016/03/29/caught-on-video-confrontation-over-mans-dreadlocks-at-san-francisco-state-prompts-investigation/

quote:

San Francisco State University said Tuesday it was investigating an incident captured on video in which a black woman confronted a white man on campus for wearing dreadlocks.

This really stuck out as strange to me.

When I was in college back in the late 90s there was a white dude at my school that had dreadlocks and I don't think anyone thought twice about it. He was a surfer/beach bum type so the style just kind of fit what you would expect that stereotype to be.

Minarchist
Mar 5, 2009

by WE B Bourgeois

ChickenRiceNPeas posted:

I apologize in advance for opening this can of worms:

http://ktla.com/2016/03/29/caught-on-video-confrontation-over-mans-dreadlocks-at-san-francisco-state-prompts-investigation/


This really stuck out as strange to me.

When I was in college back in the late 90s there was a white dude at my school that had dreadlocks and I don't think anyone thought twice about it. He was a surfer/beach bum type so the style just kind of fit what you would expect that stereotype to be.

Political Radicals with aggressively lovely attitudes can be found everywhere, especially on college campuses :monocle:

redscare
Aug 14, 2003

Smythe posted:

read an article in the LA Times the other day about some people getting heated about a proposed couple 30(?) story apartment buildings on like Hollywood and Gordon, basically right in the middle of hollywood proper. The dude who runs the AIDS Healthcare Foundation is fighting hard against increased density on his website or pac or whatever at http://stopmanhattanwood.org/

anyways, I'm not sure who the good guys here are. ive always been of the thought that more density = better than, but I'm not very sophisticated and have a low IQ and also T level.

Weinstein and the Hollywood NIMBYs can rot in hell.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Smythe posted:

read an article in the LA Times the other day about some people getting heated about a proposed couple 30(?) story apartment buildings on like Hollywood and Gordon, basically right in the middle of hollywood proper. The dude who runs the AIDS Healthcare Foundation is fighting hard against increased density on his website or pac or whatever at http://stopmanhattanwood.org/

anyways, I'm not sure who the good guys here are. ive always been of the thought that more density = better than, but I'm not very sophisticated and have a low IQ and also T level.
Look at it this way, even if we did have FULL COMMUNISM NOW, you'd still want more housing in the places that people want to live.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

redscare posted:

Weinstein and the Hollywood NIMBYs can rot in hell.

Cicero posted:

Look at it this way, even if we did have FULL COMMUNISM NOW, you'd still want more housing in the places that people want to live.

thank you for the clarity.

some other boneheads stopped the building of the target near where i live, as described here: http://www.laweekly.com/news/how-a-ragtag-coalition-stops-skyscrapers-in-hollywood-5207162

I don't really get the contention that traffic will be worse w/r/t the apartment buildings in hollywood. Traffic is already slammed and total gridlock in hollywood during work hours and during party hours. it's like getting mad about putting some raspberries in a bottle of raspberry jam. not sure if that made sense.

one thing that did make some sense is I read that in the new apartment buildings they had like some comically low number of low income housing, like 33 units or something, obviously the legal minimum. that seems bad to me. I'm not too thrilled about adding a jillion units if they're all renting for 2+ grand a month, but what the gently caress do I know?

I've always lived in hollywood and at the time of this writing there's still affordable rents for low earning nonprofit workers like me a bit to the east, and definitely to the south. not sure when i'll be gentrified out to panorama city or whatever but it'll be an interesting decade for hollywood, for sure.

redscare
Aug 14, 2003
If they actually developed Hollywood and the adjacent areas to the appropriate levels of density, you wouldn't have to worry about being gentrified out because there'd be enough inventory for everyone. The Hollywood NIMBYs want to keep the property prices high for their own benefit, which has the direct side effect of keeping the rent Too drat High.

In non-NIMBY news, Former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano continues to be terrible, which I believe is a prerequisite for that position:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Audit-shows-UC-admission-standards-relaxed-for-7215364.php

quote:

In the past three years, nearly 16,000 nonresident undergraduates have won a spot at the coveted public university with scores that fell below the median of admitted Californians, the audit shows.

redscare fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Mar 29, 2016

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


Administrators will be the first against the wall.

Rumor has it around my department that the CSUs will strike in mid April.

http://www.calstate.edu/hr/employee-relations/bargaining-updates/documents/2016/CFA-CSU-Fact-Finding-Report.pdf

Gann Jerrod
Sep 9, 2005

A gun isn't a gun unless it shoots Magic.
I go to a CSU and it's more than a rumor. Dates are set at April 13-15, and 18-19, though I can't really get a feel if they're going to come to an agreement by then or not.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

redscare posted:

If they actually developed Hollywood and the adjacent areas to the appropriate levels of density, you wouldn't have to worry about being gentrified out because there'd be enough inventory for everyone. The Hollywood NIMBYs want to keep the property prices high for their own benefit, which has the direct side effect of keeping the rent Too drat High.

In non-NIMBY news, Former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano continues to be terrible, which I believe is a prerequisite for that position:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Audit-shows-UC-admission-standards-relaxed-for-7215364.php

Eh as bad as the UC system can be, this also reeks of the usual "my childs god given right to go to Cal"

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



Rah! posted:

I know a conservative central valley redneck dude who hates obama, is annoyed by the dumb liberals, thinks the drought is a government conspiracy, etc. But he really hates trump too, which was a pleasant surprise.

Honestly I'm not surprised he hates Trump. Trump is a whiny loudmouth effete rich kid. He's the natural enemy of rednecks and country people. I'm from the Central Valley and I can't imagine the people I grew up with having any sort of respect for Trump.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


lancemantis posted:

Eh as bad as the UC system can be, this also reeks of the usual "my childs god given right to go to Cal"

I disagree. "My kid got funneled straight to Merced because a wealthy, less-qualified kid from Colorado wanted to go to Santa Cruz" isn't entitlement. It's a question of what the Cals are for -- are they for educating California residents, or not? Are we trying to build an educated workforce, or to give kids a step up the ladder, or are we trying to make money? And Napolitano doesn't sound good, with previous funding increases going to high salaries rather than to teaching costs.

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

Arsenic Lupin posted:

I disagree. "My kid got funneled straight to Merced because a wealthy, less-qualified kid from Colorado wanted to go to Santa Cruz" isn't entitlement. It's a question of what the Cals are for -- are they for educating California residents, or not? Are we trying to build an educated workforce, or to give kids a step up the ladder, or are we trying to make money? And Napolitano doesn't sound good, with previous funding increases going to high salaries rather than to teaching costs.

I've only ever heard "Cal" specifically refer to UC Berkeley.

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

Arsenic Lupin posted:

I disagree. "My kid got funneled straight to Merced because a wealthy, less-qualified kid from Colorado wanted to go to Santa Cruz" isn't entitlement. It's a question of what the Cals are for -- are they for educating California residents, or not? Are we trying to build an educated workforce, or to give kids a step up the ladder, or are we trying to make money? And Napolitano doesn't sound good, with previous funding increases going to high salaries rather than to teaching costs.

The UC system is basically a private college system that was able to lobby its way into becoming the primary 'state' university system decades ago. Note how there is the CSU system as well as the UC system, however the UC system is completely separate and basically run like a private university system. Also they get like 50% of the funding whereas CSU basically shares with the community college system.

And yes, they built the new lower-tier UCs to shunt not-as-privledges kids to a shittier school but still capture their way too high tutition. This is because apparently the UC system is required to auto-accept like the top 10% of EVERY high school in the state, (CSU system is like top 20%). And while everyone wants to go to prestigious CAL (UC Berkeley) or UCLA, all of those kids with parental money to blow but couldn't get a 4.5+ GPA in high school have to go somewhere.. ie: loving god forsaken Merced.

What's funny is that UC Santa Cruz was actually considered the bottom tier UC before Merced.

And yes, the ex-head of the Department of Homeland Security being the now president of the UC system? Ha. Not to mention Feinstein's loving husband being a regent or some poo poo, even though he owns a bunch of for-profit universities. gently caress the UC system administration.

tl;dr: UC = money > education.

jeeves fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Mar 30, 2016

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


jeeves posted:

The UC system is basically a private college system that was able to lobby its way into becoming the primary 'state' university system decades ago. Note how there is the CSU system as well as the UC system, however the UC system is completely separate and basically run like a private university system. Also they get like 50% of the funding whereas CSU basically shares with the community college system.

And yes, they built the new lower-tier UCs to shunt not-as-privileged kids to a shittier school but still capture their way too high tuition. This is because apparently the UC system is required to auto-accept like the top 10% of EVERY high school in the state, (CSU system is like top 20%). And while everyone wants to go to prestigious CAL (UC Berkeley) or UCLA, all of those kids with parental money to blow but couldn't get a 4.5+ GPA in high school have to go somewhere.. ie: loving god forsaken Merced.
Top eighth, actually; 12.5% . This is a common program nationwide, because otherwise kids from poor areas can't get in.

quote:

What's funny is that UC Santa Cruz was actually considered the bottom tier UC before Merced.
My son is seriously considering Humboldt for its history department, but then Humboldt.

quote:

And yes, the ex-head of the Department of Homeland Security being the now president of the UC system? Ha. Not to mention Feinstein's loving husband being a regent or some poo poo, even though he owns a bunch of for-profit universities. gently caress the UC system administration.

tl;dr: UC = money > education.
All of this, forever. The self-dealing going on at the top levels is obscene. Sorry for getting the nomenclature wrong; I didn't realize that "Cal" was Berkeley only.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Arsenic Lupin posted:

I didn't realize that "Cal" was Berkeley only.

It is. Because of their sports teams.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

jeeves posted:

The UC system is basically a private college system that was able to lobby its way into becoming the primary 'state' university system decades ago.

The UC system didn't charge tuition until students started getting uppity and this guy ran for governor on a platform of gutting the UC system.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
Complaints about UC admissions that come up are often just bad faith arguments about Berkeley, because "my childs god given right to go to Cal". The state passed a law to basically dismantle affirmative action in the admissions process, and any attempts to change that are met with outrage, because "my childs god given right to go to Cal". The people bringing up these kinds of issues aren't worried about kids getting into the UC system as a whole, they're worried about the impact on their child's more or less lottery admission into Berkeley.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Smythe posted:

It is. Because of their sports teams.

Also because we were the first UC.

Also in my experience people around campus who are California natives are pissed at administration because everyone has that one person they know who applied and (in their opinion) was qualified but didn't get in and now this news dropped.

Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 30, 2016

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


Telsa Cola posted:

Also because we were the first UC.

Also in my experience people around campus who are California natives are pissed at administration because everyone has that one person they know who applied and (in their opinion) was qualified but didn't get in and now this news dropped.

Here I was thinking that people hated the UC administration because they are transparently corrupt and get paid ungodly amounts of money.

http://www.davisvanguard.org/2016/03/indicting-linda-katehi/

quote:

Then we see Chancellor’s service to the board of John Wiley and Sons from 2011-2014. John Wiley and Sons, known to cartelize the market with marked up sale prices for its textbooks, is also the vendor that the UC buys into the most for its textbooks. Wiley and Sons comprises 6.3% of the entire UC Davis market share for textbook publishers. In winter quarter 2016, 49 courses used textbooks from Wiley and Sons, and 3,497 students in total enrolled in courses using these textbooks. Over the span of her three years of service at Wiley and Sons, Katehi received $421,215 for her patronage. This amount includes return on stocks from the publisher.

A price-fixing scheme based on textbook purchases went directly to Katehi’s pocket; this blatant abuse of monopoly is one in which we define as rent-seeking, entirely dependent on the students feeding into her windfall. The mathematics cannot be twisted; if we are to reclassify Katehi’s role as a private executive, this would be considered profit, but as a public employee, this is nakedly disguised looting and fraud from thousands of students.

Her crime never ended there, either. In the campus-wide email Katehi sent out on March 17, she mentions the following:

“I will establish a $200,000 scholarship fund for California undergraduate students at UC Davis from my Wiley stock proceeds.” Never mind that she still profits from half of those proceeds, keeping them pocketed into her salary. Perhaps, most egregious, however, is the use of a private monopoly to compensate her highway robbery. Serving on the board in the first place is a clear conflict of interest by siding with private interests at the expense of students, but the Chancellor takes it further with a bribe with textbook sale funds, committing a total erasure of history and soothing her own private interests with a false revisionist narrative of charity.

To pour salt on the wounds, she audaciously proposes that, “my work on the board had no impact on UC textbook purchases.” Speaking strictly from looking at the market economics, being a part of the top 50% of the market share is a strong position for publishers to mark up prices; which is exactly the case of Wiley and Sons, rendering the Chancellor a quiet participant in legitimizing the price-fixing of the private sector. All at once, the twin crimes of bribery and deception are at play, all for the sake of marketing.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

The Wiggly Wizard posted:

Here I was thinking that people hated the UC administration because they are transparently corrupt and get paid ungodly amounts of money.

http://www.davisvanguard.org/2016/03/indicting-linda-katehi/

Haha well that too, I was mainly focusing on the

The Wiggly Wizard posted:

Here I was thinking that people hated the UC administration because they are transparently corrupt and get paid ungodly amounts of money.

http://www.davisvanguard.org/2016/03/indicting-linda-katehi/

Well that too, I guess I should have clarified and said that this is one of the reason why they are pissed off.

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Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

jeeves posted:

What's funny is that UC Santa Cruz was actually considered the bottom tier UC before Merced.

Riverside?

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