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It took long enough, but someone finally made a mod that removes the whole forced family aspect of the plot. Start Me Up - Alternate Start and Dialogue Overhaul And yes, it also edits the dialogue to remove the references as well. Mostly. You're still looking for a missing kid, just not your missing kid. Also Codsworth took a few dings to more than just the old chronometer, apparently, as he still thinks the player is from his old family(though I kinda like this, a little bittersweet that he latches on to the first person in 200ish years that hasn't shot at him). Still makes far more sense than to be gay/lesbian within days of seeing your spouse murdered, or spending months on random quests/another settlement needs your help instead of searching for your stolen baby. I think I'm actually going to play through the main quest at least once now.
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For fans of tweaked Survival play and/or Fallout of lore, this looked mighty interesting: http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/20724/ From the description, "Compared to other Overhauls, this mod isn't just a 'change a bunch of numbers' overhaul, JFO seeks to add in things to fill some voids as well as change things to be a lot better or to how it really should to be. You will have new ways of doing certain things, have things that felt meaningless before have better meaning, and things that really shouldn't be that way are no longer that way. In other words, this will be like FOOK, Project Nevada, and After War Nevada from Fallout New Vegas, or even Requiem from Skyrim." Still in Alpha at the moment, and requires a new game.
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achillesforever6 posted:I wish the Talking Deathclaws survived canonically after FO2 Y'all need the Methclaw mod for New Vegas. Escaped Enclave "improved model" is now selling  at Quarry Junction.
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Wolfsheim posted:
Yeah, I think it was better than 3, which I couldn't even play a ton of. I even think New Vegas was better, but that some of the scavenging aspects and settlement building were really cool additions, and I am hopeful that with some improvements, Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 will be incredible.
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Dec 21, 2016 18:27
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Bicyclops posted:Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 will be incredible. I'm afraid that you have brain damage
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Dec 21, 2016 18:53
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Iron Crowned posted:I'm afraid that you have brain damage 
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Dec 21, 2016 18:58
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I like Fallout 4 and I enjoy it even more now that I know it makes nerds angry enough to go on 3 hour long rants 
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Dec 21, 2016 19:02
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I'd love to play a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game that is even nearly as high quality as Witcher 3.
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Dec 21, 2016 19:11
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I need more posts to convince me if fallout 4 is good or bad.
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Dec 21, 2016 19:31
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good, bad, bethesda is the one with the money
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Dec 21, 2016 19:39
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I need more posts to convince me if fallout 4 is good or bad. Neither. It's just mediocre and disappointing.
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Dec 21, 2016 19:51
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I need more posts to convince me if fallout 4 is good or bad. What did you like the most about FNV or Skyrim/TES games?
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I need more posts to convince me if fallout 4 is good or bad. It's a thoroughly enjoyable game with some flaws when it comes to the second half of virtually all of the questlines, and some annoying repetition when it comes to the radiant stuff (which feels more ever-present than before)8. It feels a little more half-finished than some of Bethesda's other games. Personally, I think the combat is quite good, the settlement and crafting aspects are addictive and fun, the Boston flavor and setting are great, and a lot of the sidequests, like the Silver Shroud or most of the ones that interact with robots, are a lot of fun. There are times when the world feels a bit too unpopulated due to using the generic "Settler" often instead of named NPCs. I think companions have improved over previous Bethesda games, both in terms of who you can select and in terms of the mechanics behind companions. The voice acting is the pretty standard Bethesda-fair, with minor improvements because they seemed to have found people who were decent at the local accent instead of asking them to do some kind of weird, generic medieval fantasy voice.
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enraged_camel posted:I'd love to play a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game that is even nearly as high quality as Witcher 3. Apparently this means you have brain damage or something? I admit I've mostly lost the plot here.
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Magmarashi posted:Apparently this means you have brain damage or something? I admit I've mostly lost the plot here. Nah, Witcher 3 is a good well written game
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Dec 21, 2016 22:05
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I need more posts to convince me if fallout 4 is good or bad. It's all about the frame of reference, it's bad if you expect a Fallout RPG, it's good if you expect a Borderlands/Minecraft hybrid.
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Witcher 3 is so far the best RPG of the 21st century, by far.
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I feel like they are sufficiently different games that it's a bit like comparing apples to oranges really. It did have way better writing quality though, both in the main story and in side quests.
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Witcher 3 is definitely amazing (I just started playing it like a week ago after buying it forever ago) but it's not really hitting the same marks as Fallout 4, and arguably the actual non-quest exploration is just about the only thing F4 gets better, if only because Geralt moves like a drunk lumbering boat and just trying to click on the right thing in a cabin where a candle is next to some loot containers can be a nightmare. The combat is also a lot better in F4, which is something I never thought I'd be saying about any Bethesda game, ever, but there it is.
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Dec 21, 2016 23:39
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They're two completely different games of two completely different genres 
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Your Computer posted:They're two completely different games of two completely different genres That's true, I keep forgetting Fallout 4 is not a real RPG.
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Wolfsheim posted:The combat is also a lot better in F4, which is something I never thought I'd be saying about any Bethesda game, ever, but there it is. I play a melee character and I have to disagree rather strongly.
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Fallout 4 is good and fun until you come to a settlement or talk to an NPC or do a quest. There's a superhard core mod that rips all the story and quests out of New Vegas and turns into a hardcore survival simulator. I don't get the appeal for New Vegas; I know Fallout 4 has a sequel mod. Superhardcore survival has zero appeal to me, but I'd play a mod that ripped out the story and dialog and made the game just about dungeon diving and exploring. I honestly have no idea why they went with a voiced protagonist. Like Bethesda's games are good in spite of their story and I've had fun with them because they kind of just let you mess around in their world(they're far preferable to Bioware's soap operas, at least). Also the dialog wheel was terrible in Mass Effect and its terrible in Fallout 4. I truly don't understand that "innovation."
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prometheusbound2 posted:I honestly have no idea why they went with a voiced protagonist. Like Bethesda's games are good in spite of their story and I've had fun with them because they kind of just let you mess around in their world(they're far preferable to Bioware's soap operas, at least). Fallout 4 started its development when Mass Effect was at the height of its popularity, which I am guessing is not a coincidence. They also said they hired the voice actors right away as soon as they had started work on the game so it's probably the 'ol sunken cost fallacy at work here.
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While the stories for Witcher games were always a big +, I always disliked the combat to the point I had to take regular breaks from the game. Also I think my PC is too old to run the W3 so I just read/watched the story instead. As much as I like some of the FO4 characters and Serana is still one of the most fun companions in a Bethesda game, they can't touch Witcher's characters by a long shot. prometheusbound2 posted:Fallout 4 is good and fun until you come to a settlement or talk to an NPC or do a quest. I was having a huge blast doing only settlements/building/exploring on my own without caring for factions or the like.... Then at level 46 I decided to start questing and the dreaded boredom reared its head again. If Skyrim had that settlement building stuff, I don't think I'd have ever stopped for FO4. Not the whole watch over 50 settlements - which gets old fast - but build a huge extensive one, that is. The MSQ is really just abominable on second+ playthroughs. I never finished FH or NW because by the point it feels natural to go do them, previous quests just kill my enjoyment of the game. EPIC fat guy vids fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Chalk me up as another person who enjoyed Fallout 4. It's more fun to play than Fallout 3, and definitely has a more interesting story and set of characters. It's got problems, a fair few of them, but I think more of them are down to execution than concepts, and it's much easier for a studio to get better at the former than the latter. I also think comparing it with The Witcher 3 can be tricky. The latter game truly is outstanding, and it's a bit harsh to have a go at any game for not being near to such a high watermark. And with regards to something as important as dialogue, The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 are quite similar in design. One might use a wheel and the other a list, sure, but both summarise their dialogue entries and during conversations The Witcher 3 often presents you with 3 or fewer responses to choose from. I think its dialogue system has much more in common with games like Fallout 4 and the Mass Effects than it does with the Infinity games of old, or even New Vegas. The Witcher 3 is often quite economical in the choices it offers the player, the trick is that they do a very good job of making every choice interesting and well-written. Veeta fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Settlement-building sucks, I hope Bethesda ditches it moving forward (they won't). If we're comparing Witcher 3 to Fallout 4, another W3 advantage is that it doesn't waste its time with lovely Minecraft Also, Fallout 4's "improved" combat, while certainly improved by Bethesda standards, is still pretty crappy compared to almost any other game from the last decade with combat in it (except Fallout 3 and NV).
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Iron Crowned posted:I'm afraid that you have brain damage Fallout 5: the five stands for 5 dialogue options!
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Sheen Sheen posted:Settlement-building sucks, I hope Bethesda ditches it moving forward (they won't). If we're comparing Witcher 3 to Fallout 4, another W3 advantage is that it doesn't waste its time with lovely Minecraft The settlement building was entirely optional mang, you can literally ignore it forever and the game is otherwise unchanged And to the contrary settlement building was cool as hell and they should actually add real quests and benefits to maintaining one beyond it looking cool
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Whoof... Got real NMA in here again. Fallout 4 is a good game.
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enraged_camel posted:I play a melee character and I have to disagree rather strongly. It sounds like you didn't use the right combination of drugs/perks/murder knives But it is a valid criticism, because melee and especially unarmed are woefully inadequate in F4, but you have a lot of different options and a lot of different perks and can end up being all manner of combat monster, whereas every play through of the Witcher 3 is going to have pretty much the same combat of a guy on the edge of a group of enemies plinking away with his sword, dodging around and throwing up that shield from start to finish. Like there's the obvious optimal route or there's playing on baby difficulty, whereas in F4 even in survival there's a lot of viable branches, even if most of them involve guns.
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in before someone accuses me of having a "meltdown"Wolfsheim posted:The settlement building was entirely optional mang, you can literally ignore it forever and the game is otherwise unchanged That's such a cop-out--Bethesda clearly intended lovely Minecraft to be a major feature of the game, even if it's technically optional. "A massive chunk of the content in the game is lovely, but it's optional" is pretty a pretty lame excuse, mang. The radiant quests and the main story are lovely too, even if they're technically "optional"--should we just ignore those too? Kokoro Wish posted:Whoof... Got real NMA in here again. Fallout 4 is a good game. nah enraged_camel posted:I play a melee character and I have to disagree rather strongly. Melee combat was entirely optional mang, you can literally ignore it forever and the game is otherwise unchanged Sheen Sheen fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Sheen Sheen posted:in before someone accuses me of having a "meltdown" Let me just say, nice meltdown. But also what I meant was you can remove settlement building entirely from F4 and it still has more/better content than F3 and its totally okay to hate both/Bethesda etc but it's still a complete game without it 
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You could also argue melee/unarmed being totally anemic compared to guns is just a way of going back to the series' roots
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I hope settlement building is expanded and improved in future Fallouts. Would be sick in the next TES too
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I will say that Nick Valentine and Piper were my favorite characters in any Bethesda game, but I think there's a Peter Principle at work at their writing team. Emil Pag-something wrote the excellent Dark Brotherhood storyline, and then the main story of Fallout 3. I think there's a certain irony there. Bioware is capable-or was capable-of good writing and storytelling, but they tried to do Skyrim in Dragon Age Inquisition. The open world parts were terrible, but the writing, story, and characters were-well not my cup of tea, but I could see how it would appeal to some. Fallout 4 tried to the voice protaganists and emotional storyline, and its open world remained great, but holy crap was the story aggressively bad.
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I lol'd when Piper was banging on the door to the mayor's office demanding to be let in, then got mad at me when I picked the lockWolfsheim posted:Let me just say, nice meltdown. But also what I meant was you can remove settlement building entirely from F4 and it still has more/better content than F3 and its totally okay to hate both/Bethesda etc but it's still a complete game without it The game is already shallower than a puddle, removing a massive chunk of the content, however lovely, and not replacing it with something better wouldn't help it. And call me crazy, but I think game developers, even Bethesda, should aim higher than the bare minimum needed to make a "complete game" 
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Dec 22, 2016 02:14
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Someone clearly didn't get the memo to quit gettin' mad at video games.
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Wolfsheim posted:It sounds like you didn't use the right combination of drugs/perks/murder knives See, I had the opposite experience. The problem with melee builds in FO4 is not that they are inadequate. On the contrary, I simply crush everything I come across. Between X-04 Power Armor Mk VI and Super Sledge, I have yet to run across anything that is even remotely a challenge, including legendary deathclaws. I do play on "Very Hard" though, so maybe I need to bump it up to Survival. The problem with melee in FO4 is simply this: it's boring as gently caress. You have a basic attack, a power attack, and a block (which is almost entirely unnecessary when wearing power armor). Fights are mostly about sprinting to an enemy, standing in place to trigger the damage bonus of Rooted, hitting them twice, then moving on to the next enemy until everything is dead. I know a lot of people didn't like Witcher 3's combat, but I thought it offered plenty of tactical elements, as well as a need for preparation in advance using various oils (at least in higher difficulties). Sure you had your sword, but you also had a variety of spells (rooting enemies in place, setting them on fire, shielding self, etc.) as well as bombs and crossbow attacks. You could also dodge attacks in addition to parrying them, which offered additional mobility when needed. It's not a perfect system by any means, but it's also not dull.
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Wolfsheim posted:You could also argue melee/unarmed being totally anemic compared to guns is just a way of going back to the series' roots Melee is the most op build if you get the right perks not sure what is trying to be said.
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