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Yeah, the crowd is what ruins it for me. I want to hang out with actual car guys, not a bunch of whiny white self-absorbed Baby Boomers from north of 14 mile with just enough cash on their third mortgage to buy that '65 Mustang they've always wanted. Anyway, content. Here's what I think about the crowd at Dream Cruise: 
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Phone posted:This morning's Jalopnik car ad is loving ridiculous: I had to go check this out, 100hp and 1,800lbs? That thing would be HILARIOUS to drive. I need this car.
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Jul 8, 2013 18:15
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It's 108hp + the 2.5 from the scooter, so technically 110.5hp. 
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DoesNotCompute posted:I had to go check this out, 100hp and 1,800lbs? That thing would be HILARIOUS to drive. I need this car. Have you seen the Smart ForTwo "off roading" advert that Jalopnik put up? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dkjtQdJzI  While it's amusing, I now really want Fiat to respond with a Panda 4x4 one and a big dose of  .
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Jul 8, 2013 19:22
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Not gonna lie, this gotta a good laugh out of me.
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Detroit Q. Spider posted:So it can keep her rear end planted but what about the chin? You till the field with it.
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Jul 9, 2013 07:14
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meatpimp posted:Not a) in the US, registered and legal or b) in that kind of shape. I was surprised at 20k, I thought it would be somewhat higher. Such an awesome little car (with bonus folding minibike!)
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Jul 9, 2013 09:40
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Phone posted:It's 108hp + the 2.5 from the scooter, so technically 110.5hp. DoesNotCompute posted:I had to go check this out, 100hp and 1,800lbs? That thing would be HILARIOUS to drive. I need this car. I'm sure I've mentioned this before but my father owns 3. Yes they are hilariously fun to drive. So much wheel spin all the time, Ive never seen my mother chirp the wheels so much. Ill snag some photos when I am up visiting in a fortnight.
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Jul 9, 2013 09:49
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So I went to Taiwan for a couple of days, awesome place btw, highly underrated. Anyway, I saw a few cool cars (and a lot of ricers) there. Old Mercedes limo  Lambo Gallardo, which seems common enough around the greater China region  But look closer! Behind the Gallardo, there is a new Beetle RSI! From what I read, the RSI wasn't the best hot hatch, but I still enjoy seeing an unusual car, especially in a random residential district in Taipei of all places.
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Jul 9, 2013 09:58
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 TE37 SLs are neato and very much money. RIP Rotas you were cool but then you cracked on the Ring.
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Jul 9, 2013 16:50
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Just some cars parked outside an office in England: Jalopnik have a 12000x3888 uncropped version too  I feel I must buy two more monitors and make this my background
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Jul 9, 2013 23:47
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JingleBells posted:Just some cars parked outside an office in England: I work at a print shop, and need to cycle the ink in our large format printer. Think I just found out my "test' print image. Awesome. 
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zinc68 posted:I work at a print shop, and need to cycle the ink in our large format printer. Think I just found out my "test' print image. Awesome. I would LOVE a huge print of that picture. I have a weak spot for McLaren though. Lately I've really been getting into turbocharged S2000s. 
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Jul 10, 2013 04:30
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All that work and crappy turbo destroying foam filters. 
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Jul 10, 2013 05:14
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Two turbos on an I4 ruined it way before. 
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DJ Commie posted:All that work and crappy turbo destroying foam filters. I thought foam filters were better than open element stuff like k&n, airraid, etc..drat, there goes any intake upgrade on my Jeep.. Here, have some awesomeness from my honeymoon in Gettysburg..   
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Devyl posted:Lately I've really been getting into turbocharged S2000s. Octopus Magic posted:Two turbos on an I4 ruined it way before. Cattiness aside, can anyone explain why one would want twin turbos on an I-4 application? Or is this just a "because I can afford it" showcar frivolity? See also: content 
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Stardotstar posted:Cattiness aside, can anyone explain why one would want twin turbos on an I-4 application? Or is this just a "because I can afford it" showcar frivolity? As long as you use two smaller turbos on two cylinders each, you'll get pretty close to the same thing as one bigger turbo. But it's mostly just to say "Yeah well I have a twin-turbo S2000". 
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Stardotstar posted:Cattiness aside, can anyone explain why one would want twin turbos on an I-4 application? Or is this just a "because I can afford it" showcar frivolity? Two small turbos for reduced lag but still able to throw in more air than a larger single or could be set as sequential, with one small turbo for low revs and a bigger one for high revs. Twin turbos do work on an I4, but like anything you need to set it up right for the application you want to use it for otherwise of course it wont work. But that's exactly the same as any mods. Now, what the comment about twin turbos ruining a I4 is utter rubbish and while most of the work on that car is good, it's a pity they havent got the air intake anywhere near right. That's gonna be breathing in a whole lotta hot air no matter how good or bad the filters are.
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No, I'm pretty sure it's dumpy lowered ShoW CaRZ logic, and would be better served by any modern single turbo setup. It's not 1989 anymore. We have better tech than this. Edit: Also foam filters are fine, but HKS has a pretty bad reputation. Octopus Magic fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 10, 2013 |
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Does this only apply to an I4 or is the Subaru twin turbo boxer total wank too?
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slothrop posted:Does this only apply to an I4 or is the Subaru twin turbo boxer total wank too? Yes, but for other reasons than just that. The twin turbo Legacies have a really distinctive changeover period that's a lot like getting punched in the face on midrange and they're a nightmare to work on. They're also just not fast enough to justify the extra weight, expenditure and complexity. Tons of them get imported here and then put up for sale basically immediately or are converted to single turbo if the owner is particularly bad with money. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jul 10, 2013 |
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Octopus Magic posted:No, I'm pretty sure it's dumpy lowered ShoW CaRZ logic, and would be better served by any modern single turbo setup. But what about dual turbo Eagle Talons? 
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Sudo Echo posted:More cars should come with cooled glove boxes for drinks, that's loving awesome. Toyota's had cooled center consoles for the 80 series, 100 series and 200 series Landcruiser's in the Sahara spec. The 100 series will hold a two six packs of cans and get down to 0 degrees!
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Multiple turbos are still a thing for diesel engines. GM has a twin turbo I4 in production right now.  
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Christ, just put a loving twin scroll on and call it a day.
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Octopus Magic posted:Christ, just put a loving twin scroll on and call it a day. BMW has a similar setup on the 335D... it must be done for a reason. drat things still have lag but I think it mostly comes down to the autotragic.
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BlackMK4 posted:BMW has a similar setup on the 335D... it must be done for a reason. I think diesel engines by their nature flow more air than an equivalent sized gasser?
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Jul 10, 2013 18:10
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Throatwarbler posted:Multiple turbos are still a thing for diesel engines. GM has a twin turbo I4 in production right now. Octopus Magic posted:Christ, just put a loving twin scroll on and call it a day. BlackMK4 posted:BMW has a similar setup on the 335D... it must be done for a reason. No. We have variable geometry turbos now, so it isn't a response/volumetric issue. What the setup in the GM picture is doing is exactly what a VGT does, just ten times more costly and complicated. I don't get it.
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Slavvy posted:No. I think multiple turbos will provide boost across a wider rpm range. A VGT is on variable on the hot side, it's still only got the airflow characteristics of one turob, this on the other hand can even take advantage of the magic of compound boost.
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Throatwarbler posted:I think multiple turbos will provide boost across a wider rpm range. A VGT is on variable on the hot side, it's still only got the airflow characteristics of one turob, this on the other hand can even take advantage of the magic of compound boost. Yes, which would make sense for a petrol engine, but not a diesel. Diesels have such a narrow useable range that I don't really see the point. Even with petrol, cars like the 911 turbo indicate that having two parallel VGT's is superior to a sequential setup. I'm not really wording this very well but sequential turbos seem pretty dead in the water compared to VGT on a diesel.
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The 335D runs the small turbo until the big one is spooled, compounds, and then drops the small turbo off. I'd imagine a VGT setup still gives up bottom end versus a sequential setup... the 997TT definitely has some lag (at least with modded stock housing turbos).
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BlackMK4 posted:BMW has a similar setup on the 335D... it must be done for a reason. Of course it's done for a reason, Twin scroll and VGT arent magic - they dont get over the fact a turbo only works within certain parameters for optimal effectiveness. A twin turbo or a super/turbo setup is theoretically a better solution and moreover obviously a better solution. In practice of course, that not true - it's a complex and expensive to engineer one. When done right it works and works exactly as well as theory says it does. The downsides of weight, complexity and cost, with the fact you really need a lot of engineer time to get it right in the first place pretty much outweigh the advantages and why it's a rarely seen solution. Diesel throws in another parameter however that bends the equation back to at least "worth a look" - diesels can handle considerably more boost than a petrol motor and can work over a wider spread of boost ranges. (This poo poo is obvious but I'll go through it anyway) So you go a big turbo to take advantage of the extra boost and have a laggy engine or a smaller turbo for a engine that responds from 1500 rpm but runs out of huff at 4000 - that's where the twin turbo setup is going to be worth it. And given on a diesel it's not going to be bothered by the kind of boost you would be kinda getting worried about in a petrol engine well..... it's now worth the time to engineer. The only twin turbo diesel I've driven is an Amarok and I gotta say I was really impressed how well it worked. It felt more like a low revving V8 rather than a smallish I4.
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Cat Terrist posted:Of course it's done for a reason, Twin scroll and VGT arent magic - they dont get over the fact a turbo only works within certain parameters for optimal effectiveness. A twin turbo or a super/turbo setup is theoretically a better solution and moreover obviously a better solution. I understand this - what I said wasn't meant to be taken literally. If you were in the US I'd give you a ride in a tuned 335D 
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The difference is that a diesel has to deal with more airflow, a gas engine has a limited range of compression ratios that it runs at, with an upper limit determine by detonation. A diesel is running higher compression with no throttle, it's going to be flowing more air even if the rpm range is narrow
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I was visiting a friend's garage to pickup some parts for my car today, upon pulling up noticed he had his dust shelf of a 993 911 Turbo outside (they were moving cars to put mouse traps, haha.) I hadn't notice his license plate previously: Then I noticed a new addition to the fantasy factory:  1 of 10 (I've been told) in the US. It will lead a life exclusive to the next season of Lotus Cup!
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Regarding turbos, I did a writeup for my thread. Feel free to ask anything there: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3541899&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post414450582 Short answer is twin turbos can be set up for a wide power range, or a buttload of power in a certain range.
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