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Solkanar512 posted:Cliff Mass is "arrogant" and gets really nitpicky when people like Charles Mudede blame every last drop of rain and gust of wind squarely on climate change. Rather than understanding the particular difference that Mass tries to explain, they assume he's against climate change.and gives ammo to climate deniers - much in the same way a pro-vaccination advocate "gives ammo" to anti-vaxxers when they point out that vaccines aren't 100% effective. lol. Of course they do that. One of the saddest things is how lovely The Stranger has become since 2000.
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BlueBlazer posted:Pfft its going to be such a poo poo show just take your client to the omelette bar for whatever meeting you have. BRB, going to start an Omelette chain named Eggnarok. Steve Jorbs posted:What's the beef between them? He's a climate change denier? I guess? This article is insufferable, but I think that's the gist: https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2018/10/23/34366285/cliff-mass-is-trumps-weatherman Edit: Solkanar512 posted:Cliff Mass is "arrogant" and gets really nitpicky when people like Charles Mudede blame every last drop of rain and gust of wind squarely on climate change. Rather than understanding the particular difference that Mass tries to explain, they assume he's against climate change.and gives ammo to climate deniers - much in the same way a pro-vaccination advocate "gives ammo" to anti-vaxxers when they point out that vaccines aren't 100% effective. That makes more sense. The Stranger and The Mercury have the stupidest beefs.
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Feb 7, 2019 20:50
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Failson posted:BRB, going to start an Omelette chain named Eggnarok. Cliff Mass responded in the comments, he's no climate denier. People keep confusing "climate change isn't having a huge effect on local weather right now" with "climate change isn't effecting anything anywhere in the world". Cliff Mass posted:Charles...for the 100th time let me say that following: I should say that I don't always agree with his politics, but I get tired of scientific experts being ignored or mocked when they are correctly speaking about their field of expertise. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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Feb 7, 2019 20:56
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I honestly don't know if the Stranger was ever really good or if I was just a lot younger and much more "gently caress the man" about poo poo and didn't really care about details. In retrospect it was at least pretty good at knocking down my political demons and helping me leave behind any trace of conservatism behind.
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Feb 7, 2019 20:59
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DrNutt posted:I honestly don't know if the Stranger was ever really good or if I was just a lot younger and much more "gently caress the man" about poo poo and didn't really care about details. In retrospect it was at least pretty good at knocking down my political demons and helping me leave behind any trace of conservatism behind. They had a solid science writer about ten years ago, and then he just vanished. The whole thing is just frustrating when you see the editors promoting Food Babe bullshit and whatnot when they're also serving as the only newspaper counterpoint to the loving Times.
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Feb 7, 2019 21:01
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DrNutt posted:I honestly don't know if the Stranger was ever really good or if I was just a lot younger and much more "gently caress the man" about poo poo and didn't really care about details. In retrospect it was at least pretty good at knocking down my political demons and helping me leave behind any trace of conservatism behind. They seemed awesome when I first got up here in 2000, but maybe I was just younger too. For the last 15 years they've been so up their own rear end and self-indulgent and so incredibly hypocritical they're insufferable. I remember Lindy West's movie reviews from years ago and maybe it's too much to ask for a weekly paper in a major city to have good movie reviews but all her movie reviews were basically a personal blog about her life and then a few sentences about the movie. It was infuriating as a movie fan. Dan Savage's sex advice column is fantastic, but he as an editor of the Stranger drove that publication into the mantle of the earth. The Seattle Weekly is honestly way more progressive these days than the faux-edgy nonsense the Stranger has become, imo.
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Feb 7, 2019 21:11
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I personally agree with The Stranger about Mass and climate change. He's not a denialist, but he writes 3000 words every time someone erroneously links a weather event to climate change while paying little to no attention to Republicans outright denying it exists. Who does that really serve? Even if you're not wrong, the amount of effort you put into pushing back against one misinformed perspective versus another matters. The Stranger are idiots for giving him the cold shoulder about this though, as no one would even care what he has to say about climate if he hadn't made his name correctly predicting PNW winter storms.
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Feb 7, 2019 21:14
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Eggnogium posted:I personally agree with The Stranger about Mass and climate change. He's not a denialist, but he writes 3000 words every time someone erroneously links a weather event to climate change while paying little to no attention to Republicans outright denying it exists. Who does that really serve? Even if you're not wrong, the amount of effort you put into pushing back against one misinformed perspective versus another matters. He's in that sweet spot between being right and being a dickbag nobody wants to listen to at the same time.
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Feb 7, 2019 21:17
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Eggnogium posted:I personally agree with The Stranger about Mass and climate change. He's not a denialist, but he writes 3000 words every time someone erroneously links a weather event to climate change while paying little to no attention to Republicans outright denying it exists. Who does that really serve? Even if you're not wrong, the amount of effort you put into pushing back against one misinformed perspective versus another matters. I dunno I think it's pretty important to push back on the anti-science poo poo on the left, and maybe even more important as anyone with a functioning brain can see that the right is full of poo poo on the matter. The lefty anti-science poo poo is more insidious because it has a tendency to suck in people that really should know better.
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Feb 7, 2019 21:21
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He's also deeply, deeply wrong about the politics at play in passing legislation to address climate change. The kicker from his last post on I-1631Cliff Mass posted:If it fails, perhaps a message will finally be clearly delivered: only a rational, bipartisan approach has a chance of moving forward. loving lol that you'll get Republicans to do anything at all.
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Feb 7, 2019 21:23
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DrNutt posted:I dunno I think it's pretty important to push back on the anti-science poo poo on the left, and maybe even more important as anyone with a functioning brain can see that the right is full of poo poo on the matter. The lefty anti-science poo poo is more insidious because it has a tendency to suck in people that really should know better. The stranger wants drama, which is why they start poo poo with Mass. They are the same publication that publishes transphobic trash all the time, so gently caress them.
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Feb 7, 2019 21:24
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Relentless posted:He's in that sweet spot between being right and being a dickbag nobody wants to listen to at the same time. I missed out on most of all the climate change stuff with Mass, but he seems to play it straight even if it's not politically helpful. Scientists are generally bad at politics and not very smart about it. All I know is when I think my face is about to be blown off with bad weather I turn to Cliff Mass' blog. I'm not looking towards him for political leadership. It's a different set of skills. I guess my point is if Seattle does get hit bad still listen to Cliff Mass even if he has dumb bipartisan centrist political beliefs.
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Feb 7, 2019 21:29
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Eggnogium posted:I personally agree with The Stranger about Mass and climate change. He's not a denialist, but he writes 3000 words every time someone erroneously links a weather event to climate change while paying little to no attention to Republicans outright denying it exists. Who does that really serve? Even if you're not wrong, the amount of effort you put into pushing back against one misinformed perspective versus another matters. The reason why you get the 3000 words is because when it comes to the complexities of scientific fields, those little details matter. Ask any scientist - culturally speaking, discussing these sorts of details and being pedantic is par for the course. It's often annoying for the lay person, not always practical and it's easy to misunderstand (this is where scientists need to learn how to communicate better) but he's not wrong and folks like Mudede are being intellectually dishonest when they pull this poo poo and that's poison to any serious discussion on this issue. If Mass didn't include these sort of pedantic details, climate denailists would latch onto those. Honestly, they're going to latch onto anything because they're always going to always argue in bad faith. So rather than present a political message that fits on a protest sign, he's going to give the detailed picture of what's going on. 1glitch0 posted:I missed out on most of all the climate change stuff with Mass, but he seems to play it straight even if it's not politically helpful. Scientists are generally bad at politics and not very smart about it. All I know is when I think my face is about to be blown off with bad weather I turn to Cliff Mass' blog. I'm not looking towards him for political leadership. It's a different set of skills. I guess my point is if Seattle does get hit bad still listen to Cliff Mass even if he has dumb bipartisan centrist political beliefs. Yeah, this is a great point. Use him for what he's good at, dismiss him for what he's not. EDIT: I just have a bug up my rear end on this because as mentioned before, anti-science views on the left is insidious as gently caress. Seeing all the anti-vax mommies come out on social media is another nasty example of this poo poo. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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https://medium.com/@AlexLenferna/if-you-care-about-climate-change-dont-listen-to-cliff-mass-vote-yes-on-1631-d61b2631226b https://medium.com/@AlexLenferna/the-non-persecution-of-cliff-mass-51360f92d823 He's fine as a weatherman, but otherwise ignore his stupid 'well actually' rear end. Also, Mudede rules.
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Feb 7, 2019 22:04
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Cliff Mass is perfectly capable of understanding the political context of his positions. Scientists are people, not robots. He chooses to publish blog posts that take a stance on climate change legislation and he chooses to dedicate his fact checking to climate alarmists rather than climate denialists. It's perfectly legitimate for the Stranger and anyone else to criticize him for that. Is it anti-science to think the guy who wrote this is kind of a denialist-sympathizing piece of poo poo? Cliff Mass posted:If Big Oil was covering up global warming, they did a very bad job at it. The impact of CO2 has been talked about since the 80s and the estimates of the impacts have not really changed in thirty years. Global warming gets wide attention in the media, and if anything is hyped up and exaggerated. Greenhouse warming has been no secret.
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No, that seems perfectly fine to criticize. The Stranger (and Mudede in particular) completely lack any form of nuance to be able to tell the difference between that sort of negligence and his actual scientific work.
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Eggnogium posted:He's also deeply, deeply wrong about the politics at play in passing legislation to address climate change. The kicker from his last post on I-1631 Yeah, his take on I-631 was completely loving insane, and exactly what the climate change denialists want. I don't really give a poo poo if you're doing the incredibly loving stupid wrong thing for the right reasons; I'd much rather you be doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons is just as bad as doing it for the wrong reasons. EDIT: Cliff Mass is to climate change as Trump voters are to racism; he may not be in favor of it, but his support for the policies of it are indistinguishable from him being in favor of it. Teabag Dome Scandal posted:https://medium.com/@AlexLenferna/if-you-care-about-climate-change-dont-listen-to-cliff-mass-vote-yes-on-1631-d61b2631226b Ham Equity fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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1glitch0 posted:All I know is when I think my face is about to be blown off with bad weather I turn to Cliff Mass' blog. 
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Thanatosian posted:Mudede is the best thing about the Stranger, gently caress the haters. I can't forgive him for hating on Nikkita Oliver for being too radical. He is a neo-liberal like the rest of them, but he pokes fun at bougie white people in Seattle without actually challenging the system that puts poo poo heads like Durkan in office.
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The actual, qualified expert on weather patterns and the science thereof knows what he's talking about. Random internet commenters trying to tie him into Trump and racism because they disagree with his conclusions definitely don't.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:the cary loving moon primary endorsement still gets me angry, god drat dan sucks so bad 100% this.
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DevNull posted:I can't forgive him for hating on Nikkita Oliver for being too radical. He is a neo-liberal like the rest of them, but he pokes fun at bougie white people in Seattle without actually challenging the system that puts poo poo heads like Durkan in office. Too radical for him or too radical for the city? I don’t remember this. Javid posted:The actual, qualified expert on weather patterns and the science thereof knows what he's talking about. Random internet commenters trying to tie him into Trump and racism because they disagree with his conclusions definitely don't. Yeah and Elon Musk is going to save the world 🙄
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Thanatosian posted:Yeah, his take on I-631 was completely loving insane, and exactly what the climate change denialists want. I don't really give a poo poo if you're doing the incredibly loving stupid wrong thing for the right reasons; I'd much rather you be doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. That’s not saying anything nice about Mudede or the Stranger.
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Charles Mudede gets a pass from me for pretty much everything because of that amazing article he wrote about Mr. Hands. I still read the stranger's blog almost every day and the only writer that pisses me off a semi regular basis is Katie Herzog. Shes a white feminist centrist personified.
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seiferguy posted:Charles Mudede gets a pass from me for pretty much everything because of that amazing article he wrote about Mr. Hands. Article? The man wrote a documentary about it.
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seiferguy posted:Katie Herzog. Shes a white feminist centrist personified. TERF. She is absolute poo poo. So yeah, white feminist centrist.
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Failson posted:Sounds like Seattle is going to get the brunt of this one? Yesterday I bragged about my swanky hotel room my work was paying for because of the snow. Today I found out because of money the hotel rooms are being rationed and coworkers are going to have to double up in rooms. I said gently caress that and will just walk in the snow to work. I dreamt a dream of an omelet bar and now that dream is gone from me 
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1glitch0 posted:Yesterday I bragged about my swanky hotel room my work was paying for because of the snow. Today I found out because of money the hotel rooms are being rationed and coworkers are going to have to double up in rooms. I said gently caress that and will just walk in the snow to work. I dreamt a dream of an omelet bar and now that dream is gone from me If my company asked me to share a hotel room I would start looking for a new job.
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therobit posted:If my company asked me to share a hotel room I would start looking for a new job. Really? I was surprised personal rooms were even offered at first. At my last job during the last big snow storm it was just assumed we'd be doubled up. I think if I pushed it I could get my own room, but I'm close and I don't want to risk that someone who actually has a long commute might have to make a drive in. But, omelets...
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I mean, you could nominally take the room, and still abuse free hotel food while sleeping at home. Just get your intended roommate in on it so he doesn't say anything to ruin his solo room, either.
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DevNull posted:TERF. She is absolute poo poo. So yeah, white feminist centrist. she loves to preface every poo poo take she does by saying she’s “to the left of trotsky” or some poo poo though
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therobit posted:If my company asked me to share a hotel room I would start looking for a new job. Same, that is bullshit.
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1glitch0 posted:Really? I was surprised personal rooms were even offered at first. At my last job during the last big snow storm it was just assumed we'd be doubled up. I think if I pushed it I could get my own room, but I'm close and I don't want to risk that someone who actually has a long commute might have to make a drive in. But, omelets... I don't want to wait to take a shower while my coworker finishes jerking off, and I don't want to smell their gnarly shits either. Or to sleep in the same room with them. And a company that does not consider all the uncomfortable and potentially dangerous situations that could arise from doubling people up in rooms to save a few bucks is not one I want to be working for.
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therobit posted:If my company asked me to share a hotel room I would start looking for a new job. Ditto this. But i'm also a woman and there's no way i'd room with a rando dude. I'm the only woman in IT. Also like - if you can't afford to put people up solo then just don't expect people to work in the office during a snow storm. Have good remote work solutions!
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therobit posted:If my company asked me to share a hotel room I would start looking for a new job. My company the past 3 days has been on a company retreat, I was excited to go when I first heard about it but then they sent out en email with a roommate sign up sheet... couldn't say no more quickly. What kind of grown rear end adults are fine with this poo poo...
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ElCondemn posted:What kind of grown rear end adults are fine with this poo poo... People who are young and naive and people who are not secure in their value to the organization. When I was 23 I put up with so much poo poo from managers that I just wouldn't today. I know they are making or saving money due to my work so either they won't fire me, or I can find another job easily if they do. If you're fresh out of college the calculus is different.
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