EponymousMrYar posted:This is generally how I feel about the thing. I'm disappointed more than anything. Genderlocked races are a step backwards. Much like Diadem (and the fundamentals of Eureka) are also a step backwards. My main issue with people complaining about gender locked races is Au'ra are basically two separate races they say are one. In practice, they are the same thing as two genderlocked races, but nobody really raised this much of a stink over them. Also it's not healthy to stew over being disappointed because a Japanese game studio put out misogynistic stuff, because if you did that you'd never stop being sad. Play sekiro, it's hella fuckin good.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:My main issue with people complaining about gender locked races is Au'ra are basically two separate races they say are one. In practice, they are the same thing as two genderlocked races, but nobody really raised this much of a stink over them. Au Ra at least had similarities even if the extreme difference is dumb. This is just "Oh no male bunnies or female Ronso adventure"
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People definitely got mad that the concept art au ra turned into dainty waifus and I still hear people complain about it sometimes. If you havent heard it you aren't paying attention.
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Mar 24, 2019 01:06
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:My main issue with people complaining about gender locked races is Au'ra are basically two separate races they say are one. In practice, they are the same thing as two genderlocked races, but nobody really raised this much of a stink over them.
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Mar 24, 2019 01:07
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:My main issue with people complaining about gender locked races is Au'ra are basically two separate races they say are one. In practice, they are the same thing as two genderlocked races, but nobody really raised this much of a stink over them. Dunno, feel like I've heard people complain about the sexual dimorphism of the Au-Ra on multiple occasions. Did they show off male and female at different times for Au Ra? I would assume the problem this time around is a) people had time to stew and anticipate bunny boys since the first live letter, and b) people are more aware and more tired of these tropes these days.
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Mar 24, 2019 01:08
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Also Au Ra can wear helmets.
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ImpAtom posted:Also Au Ra can wear helmets. they have to detach their horns sometimes though
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As an au ra player I can say I might as well be unable to wear helmets given how often they look like dogshit with the horns
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somepartsareme posted:they have to detach their horns sometimes though I mean I doubt anyone would care if bunny ears aren't poking up. There are things that do that anyway. The Vermillion Cloak has no ears even on catgirls and elves.
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Blockhouse posted:As an au ra player I can say I might as well be unable to wear helmets given how often they look like dogshit with the horns I calmed a little on the helmet issue after I remembered part of the reason I race changed away from Au Ra was because the horns being hard to work with, and that I had similar problems with worgen and tauren in WoW. However making a race incapable of wearing a red mage hat is still a sin.
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ImpAtom posted:Also Au Ra can wear helmets. Yeah that poo poo is  as gently caress though
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Okay, I'm back. I went and took my dog for a nice long walk at the local park. Some fresh air did me good. I want to apologize to everyone I upset and offended by my extreme aggressiveness. I've been under a lot of stress wrt some major deadlines and work that I've been struggling under for the last month that will affect the next few years from me. I let that stress get to me and ended up lashing out at you all both on the forums today and in discord last night. I've been extremely looking forward to FanFest and the new news because it allows me to break from the crushing stress of my RL obligations right now. So when every discussion during/after the keynote was dominated by viera/hrothgar anger, it made me intensely frustrated as I was excited to talk about the other reveals and story speculation and all that jazz. I took things overboard and was a real dick about it, so I'm extremely sorry for that. FFXIV is good. It's cool. It's awesome. Let's hope that there is some changes that are made so that we can all enjoy this game more together. Also, it is really loving nice to just spend some time away from all the anger and tension seeping through the community right now and just spend time in a local park. I suggest you all do it. Just relax in nature. (But also, gently caress pollen.) I'm going to do my best to just avoid commenting on hrothgar/viera issues from here on out. Not because I don't want be part of the discussion, but because I feel like I don't actually have much to contribute to it as I have so stakes in it. So one last time, I'm very sorry to you all for how I've acted recently. The stress in my life doesn't excuse, but I hope you all can understand that I don't actually want to be a dick and want us to be a big happy family. Except that guy that likes squid kid porn. gently caress that guy.
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On another note, someone posting as "Blufever" made a few posts on 4chan (yeah, I know) hours before the Keynote with a bunch of references to things that weren't known before the full trailer (like Jabba representing the plus-size   Memeing aside, apparently this is hinting at Summoner getting Phoenix in some form and Machinist getting more tools in Drill and Chainsaw.
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Mordiceius posted:Oops. I had my information wrong. Allow me to clarify - wow you are even more of a piece of poo poo here than on the discord. congrats.
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Any chance we'll get some new interesting deets from day 2?
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Lenore03 posted:Any chance we'll get some new interesting deets from day 2? Probably just stuff about tuesdays patch?
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I figured out what Squenix can do to make everyone happy: Spriggan race: -Everyone loves spriggans -Rock cosmetics in the scam store, free money -Gear doesn't affect their look at all so it's real ez to implement -Monogender so the devs will love them
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Hogama posted:On another note, someone posting as "Blufever" made a few posts on 4chan (yeah, I know) hours before the Keynote with a bunch of references to things that weren't known before the full trailer (like Jabba representing the plus-size Going full Edgar with Machinist would be pretty cool
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Captain Cappy posted:I figured out what Squenix can do to make everyone happy: This but moogles
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Lokar posted:This but moogles Acceptable if it's these ones: 
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Captain Cappy posted:Acceptable if it's these ones:  and they could totally get away with just making the one body type for both genders.
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While I think things were handled a bit poorly I feel like they gave a reasonable explanation of their decision process during the keynote. 1: They wanted to offer more beastly race options to players. 2: People really, *really* wanted Viera 3: They didn't have the dev power or the dev time to deliver two complete races with the expansion so they had to decide to either completely scrap one of them or make some kind of compromise to deliver both things. I can appreciate that they really wanted to offer a beastly option considering all the races in the game currently are basically "looks human but is x" and Hrothgar do look significantly different from any other race on offer. I doubt male viera would've looked that much different from females and so it'd be more of what's mostly already on offer. They absolutely should've been upfront about bunny boys back in Europe which is probably a big reason the salt concentration is so high but I feel like their thought process and decisions are reasonable enough. It's easy to say "just give us two full races instead of this" but that downplays how much work and time goes into making a fully realized new race. Especially when you consider that Square still keeps them a relatively small team despite XIV's big success so they just have limitations. It's absolutely okay to be disappointed that we're not getting these things but I feel like some of the more vitriolic hyperbole I see on reddit and other forums is pretty unreasonable. Of course I could just be too easily forgiving here who knows.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:While I think things were handled a bit poorly I feel like they gave a reasonable explanation of their decision process during the keynote. Honestly I think the dev power excuse is kinda bad. Yes, they have limited dev power but they also need to figure out when to kill their darlings. If they super wanted a beast race but don't have the development time for it, save it for a future expansion instead of insisting you'll never do another new race ever again. Going "We wanted to do this right but we didn't have the man power so we just did half of the two ideas we had" feels like a bad excuse. There will be more expansions after this. It's okay to save an idea for later and focus on executing one well instead of two poorly.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:My main issue with people complaining about gender locked races is Au'ra are basically two separate races they say are one. In practice, they are the same thing as two genderlocked races, but nobody really raised this much of a stink over them. I'm not disappointed at the misogyny (I agree that it's not worth being seriously down about it these days.) I'm disappointed in everything else about it. Genderlocked races are a lazy excuse for half-realizing a concept. Especially in a game where effort has already been made to have more effort put into those concepts (cat boys becoming playable etc.) It concerns me. Because that makes me question where that effort has gone and why it's gone into whatever rather than in maintaining already established standards. It reminds me entirely too much of that freakin' plant pot of 1.0 and how it came to be. Only this time it might turn out that ShB's 1k polygon 150 shader flower pot is the fat cat people that are NPC only. If the effort has been put into them why can't we play as the fat cats then? 
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Huh, the FFXV crossover is limited time. Thought it would have been permanent like the Monster Hunter one.
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ImpAtom posted:Honestly I think the dev power excuse is kinda bad. Yes, they have limited dev power but they also need to figure out when to kill their darlings. If they super wanted a beast race but don't have the development time for it, save it for a future expansion instead of insisting you'll never do another new race ever again. Going "We wanted to do this right but we didn't have the man power so we just did half of the two ideas we had" feels like a bad excuse. It's basically a tug of war between "We want to offer something considerably different from all the other races" and "Y'all motherfuckers won't shut the gently caress up about Viera". It feels like from past discussion and talks about it before Shadowbringers they weren't really keen on bringing in an existant race to the game compared to making their own world stuff. Basically Viera feels like they came around because they got strongarmed into it rather than actually wanting them to be in the game. I don't think you're wrong for the record, they probably should have made a cut rather than try to do both at once. I do feel like people would bitch no matter what though. Give us both male and female Viera? "Great thanks more pandering with waifus and twinks how fun." Give us both male and female Hrothgar? "Where the gently caress are Viera what the hell Square you morons." Maybe I'm just biased against people constantly demanding Viera when it feels like it was never a thing they wanted to do.
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EponymousMrYar posted:It concerns me. Because that makes me question where that effort has gone and why it's gone into whatever rather than in maintaining already established standards. It reminds me entirely too much of that freakin' plant pot of 1.0 and how it came to be. NPC models are completely different from players since they don't need to wear clothes, they can have their clothes built into the model.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:While I think things were handled a bit poorly I feel like they gave a reasonable explanation of their decision process during the keynote. If a player buys the expansion and pays for at least two months then Squenix just got AAA game money for XIV. Even if you took all of Stormblood from 4.00 to 4.99 I don't think that can be called a AAA game level of content. So I really don't buy it when they say they're having resource issues that aren't their own fault. Their team refuses to adapt or do anything to improve their situation at all. Unfortunately they'll never be forced to fix this because they can coast forever on the Final Fantasy trademark and my 13 dollars a month because I'm afraid of change and don't want to switch to something else.
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ShB Benchmark in May, will be able to create Viera and HrothgarCaptain Cappy posted:If a player buys the expansion and pays for at least two months then Squenix just got AAA game money for XIV. Even if you took all of Stormblood from 4.00 to 4.99 I don't think that can be called a AAA game level of content. So I really don't buy it when they say they're having resource issues that aren't their own fault. Their team refuses to adapt or do anything to improve their situation at all. Unfortunately they'll never be forced to fix this because they can coast forever on the Final Fantasy trademark and my 13 dollars a month because I'm afraid of change and don't want to switch to something else. Especially with a company like SE, any issues with resources are about time, not money. There's diminishing returns on productivity and content creation after a certain point, not the least of which is effective management by a project lead. isk fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Mar 24, 2019 |
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YoshiOfYellow posted:It's basically a tug of war between "We want to offer something considerably different from all the other races" and "Y'all motherfuckers won't shut the gently caress up about Viera". It feels like from past discussion and talks about it before Shadowbringers they weren't really keen on bringing in an existant race to the game compared to making their own world stuff. Basically Viera feels like they came around because they got strongarmed into it rather than actually wanting them to be in the game. I mean if you assume Hrothgar are the race they wanted to do... they're Ronso, so they're still an existing race.
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Captain Cappy posted:If a player buys the expansion and pays for at least two months then Squenix just got AAA game money for XIV. Even if you took all of Stormblood from 4.00 to 4.99 I don't think that can be called a AAA game level of content. So I really don't buy it when they say they're having resource issues that aren't their own fault. Their team refuses to adapt or do anything to improve their situation at all. Unfortunately they'll never be forced to fix this because they can coast forever on the Final Fantasy trademark and my 13 dollars a month because I'm afraid of change and don't want to switch to something else. "I don't think that can be called a AAA game level of content" Compared to what AAA games? Fallout 76? Anthem? Destiny 2?
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Oxyclean posted:Dunno, feel like I've heard people complain about the sexual dimorphism of the Au-Ra on multiple occasions. Did they show off male and female at different times for Au Ra? I would assume the problem this time around is a) people had time to stew and anticipate bunny boys since the first live letter, and b) people are more aware and more tired of these tropes these days. The story I keep hearing is that the Au Ra were created that way for the Japanese audience, who were loudly clamoring for smaller, daintier female characters than hyur could be. So the lady au ra were created for them, and are supposedly quite popular over there.
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Captain Cappy posted:If a player buys the expansion and pays for at least two months then Squenix just got AAA game money for XIV. Even if you took all of Stormblood from 4.00 to 4.99 I don't think that can be called a AAA game level of content. So I really don't buy it when they say they're having resource issues that aren't their own fault. Their team refuses to adapt or do anything to improve their situation at all. Unfortunately they'll never be forced to fix this because they can coast forever on the Final Fantasy trademark and my 13 dollars a month because I'm afraid of change and don't want to switch to something else. Source your quotes
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Captain Cappy posted:If a player buys the expansion and pays for at least two months then Squenix just got AAA game money for XIV. Even if you took all of Stormblood from 4.00 to 4.99 I don't think that can be called a AAA game level of content. So I really don't buy it when they say they're having resource issues that aren't their own fault. Their team refuses to adapt or do anything to improve their situation at all. Unfortunately they'll never be forced to fix this because they can coast forever on the Final Fantasy trademark and my 13 dollars a month because I'm afraid of change and don't want to switch to something else. That is extremely not how game development works but thanks for playing
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"you see people say things like 'i want to join the garlean empire!!', its all about perspective" very cool interview
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Countblanc posted:"the garleans are doing things that they think are right" "it all depends on perspective"  Countblanc posted:"you see people say things like 'i want to join the garlean empire!!', its all about perspective"
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