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NikkolasKing posted:Let me ask you this. If Trump became president, do I genuinely need to worry for the safety of my gay friends? I know some of you are saying I'm a troll but if there is a real chance the alarmism about Trump is genuine, I will absolutely make sure to vote for Clinton. My word may not be much but I mean it. If Trump takes the white house, he will nominate the supreme court justices that will rule on whatever terrible oppressive legislature come out of culture war state governments. This has every possibility of affecting the lives of your gay friends.
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Eifert Posting posted:Sanders never proved he could turn out the minority vote. I don't really get why but that's reason enough for me to be satisfied with Clinton repping many of Bernie's positions. Name recognition counts for a whole hell of a lot in who a party nominates. See: Trump, Donald H.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:10
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Since I don't trust Goldwater here to click links, let me just spell out that one of the many things that gay conversion therapy does is attempt to create a pavlovian sense of aversion to homosexual arousal. Imagine being forced to view porn until you became erect and then tortured, physically tortured, until you associate that agony with arousal and lose your ability to enjoy sex.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:11
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ImpAtom posted:Okay, like, here's the big thing: There's a decent chance that HB2, RFRA or a similar law is going to end up before the supreme court in the next few years. There's also employment protections for trans people that are in a weird legal gray area after Macy v. Holder and PriceWaterhouse v. Hopkins which has a non-zero chance of a case ending up in the supreme court. so yes it's important.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:11
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Trump/Pence will gently caress your gay friends lives up so bad they'll be granted refugee status
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NikkolasKing posted:
Yes, you do. Much like I need to worry for my adopted black siblings and nephews and nieces. Also, I want you to think about two possibilities with President Trump. Possibility A: Warren G. Harding: Trump is a stupid bastard who signs whatever the GOP puts on his desk and goes around having silly parties and bragging loudly. He doesn't start WWIII but he gives them control of every level of government and proves the efficacy of running on a pure white nationalist platform. The GOP now has control of most state government, the supreme court, and both houses of congress and has unchecked power to do whatever they wish, most of which would be very bad for your friends or my family. Trump is still an idiot and the president is also our most prominent international representative, leading to international incidents and crises, but no actual major war. THIS IS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. Possibility B: Benito Mussolini: As usually happens the 'Center' Right assumes it can rely on a sense of decorum and control a rampaging crazy man. They are very wrong. Trump is elected to a position of tremendous power (that has only grown more powerful as Congress has steadily abdicated responsibilities like declaring war to be politically less liable for them, as well as in the name of obstructing presidential agendas) and proceeds to go ham with it the same way the tea party has with its disproportionate influence in congress. Trump has no idea of the bounds of his presidency and neither do the hard corps of people who elected him. What, exactly, an unhinged white nationalist does with that kind of power is hard to predict but it won't be anything good. This is probably the worst case. Basically, if they can control him it gives full power to an increasingly extreme right wing party that wants to see your friends hurt (Pence is an ADVOCATE FOR CONVERSION THERAPY). If they can't control him, all power is in the hands of a very, very angry right wing populist movement and a crazy person drunk on power. Both of these things will be a disaster for anyone who is not white, male, and straight.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:12
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NikkolasKing posted:Let me ask you this. If Trump became president, do I genuinely need to worry for the safety of my gay friends? I know some of you are saying I'm a troll but if there is a real chance the alarmism about Trump is genuine, I will absolutely make sure to vote for Clinton. My word may not be much but I mean it. As a Transgender Gay myself, yes. Yes you do. Adding to what Artificer is saying, progressivism isn't a straight line. It never has been, and lots of people like, for example, Hillary Rodham Cllinton, have been working their asses off to make sure that it stays on track, and she's been doing that literally as long as she's been in politics. She has been involved and on that track longer than I have been alive and putting her in office is the better option than putting the Orange Goblin Man in, period.
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Instant Sunrise posted:There's a decent chance that HB2, RFRA or a similar law is going to end up before the supreme court in the next few years. There's also employment protections for trans people that are in a weird legal gray area after Macy v. Holder and PriceWaterhouse v. Hopkins which has a non-zero chance of a case ending up in the supreme court. Have any trans groups put together a BLM-style list of policy goals?
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This is what happens for gay and transgender people if Trump is elected. the entirety of the progress we have made in gay and trans rights in the past decade has been through one of two routes: executive action and the courts. Trump getting elected automatically precludes any further positive executive action and effectively ensures that much of what we've gained-- non-discrimination for federal employees, the Labor Department pushing for protections across the board, the Department of Education slapping at school systems that try to marginalize LGBT students-- goes away. Then on top of that Trump appoints 2-3 Supreme Court justices, from a list submitted and approved by GOP think tanks, nearly all of whom want to overturn Lawrence and Roe. The gains we've made through the court system are chipped away at and possibly dissolved altogether. Our system was designed to let Congress have much of the power, but over time that has changed. The most recent Congresses have decided to make asses of themselves by refusing to do anything at all, and thus yielded most of their practical power to the Executive and Judiciary. We cannot let the two remaining sane branches of government fall into the hands of an orange fascist, and I am not exaggerating in the slightest.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:13
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I have no idea how to reconcile things like this with my opposition to the death penalty. I sincerely wish we'd taken Bin Laden alive and put him on trial, but maybe I'm naive. What would that trial even have been, could it possibly have been fair, would there have been any verdict but death at the end of it anyway.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:13
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Night10194 posted:But that's the thing, Bernie himself is fine and has been steadily trying to warn his crazies off since the primary ended. It was a mistake on his part to rile them up so but I think if someone is so far gone that they think Sanders' messages to vote for Clinton are secret, coded instructions not to vote for her or to vote Trump or whatever, they're loving nuts as is and might've been unreachable. That's really what it is. If you go back and look at the things Bernie said, he didn't do much to rile the crazy Clinton-haters up. His criticisms of her were pretty lukewarm overall. The people who are still virulently Bernie-or-Bust are, for the most part, just nutballs who hate Clinton.
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Quorum posted:This is what happens for gay and transgender people if Trump is elected. the entirety of the progress we have made in gay and trans rights in the past decade has been through one of two routes: executive action and the courts. Trump getting elected automatically precludes any further positive executive action and effectively ensures that much of what we've gained-- non-discrimination for federal employees, the Labor Department pushing for protections across the board, the Department of Education slapping at school systems that try to marginalize LGBT students-- goes away. Even when I was a Berner I knew that my vote was already cast based on the Supreme Court picks alone. It's simply far too important to not vote on.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:16
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Majorian posted:That's really what it is. If you go back and look at the things Bernie said, he didn't do much to rile the crazy Clinton-haters up. His criticisms of her were pretty lukewarm overall. The people who are still virulently Bernie-or-Bust are, for the most part, just nutballs who hate Clinton. I honestly think some of the nutball contingent can be traced back to Hillary being first lady when they were kids and thus always lingering in their minds as America's Mom. You can't tell ME what to do, Mom.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:16
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Bin Laden's assassination was carried out because there was very little reasonable way they were getting him out of there alive as it was. I mean, christ, I can't believe that hit went as well as it did. It was a coordinated covert operation undertaken in absolute secrecy that no-one learned about until Obama just popped up to go 'Yeah, we got the bastard, you're welcome.' Just imagine if they'd also had to subdue and bring him out safely instead of just doming him.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:17
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Have any trans groups put together a BLM-style list of policy goals? lambda legal and transgender law center have yeah
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Oct 6, 2016 06:17
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I honestly think some of the nutball contingent can be traced back to Hillary being first lady when they were kids and thus always lingering in their minds as America's Mom. You can't tell ME what to do, Mom. Which is amazing, because if anyone deserves that, it's Tipper Gore.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:18
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Holy poo poo that's like a solid page of replies in 10 minutes about what President Trump means for your gay friends. I hope this gets the point across.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:19
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Instant Sunrise posted:lambda legal and transgender law center have yeah Ah, exactly what I need. Thank you! Majorian posted:Which is amazing, because if anyone deserves that, it's Tipper Gore. Man I hated her so much when I was a kid, but I googled her recently and was pleasantly surprised. She's a major LGBTQ rights activist and does a lot of other nice things these days. You're all right, Tip.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:21
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Man I hated her so much when I was a kid, but I googled her recently and was pleasantly surprised. She's a major LGBTQ rights activist and does a lot of other nice things these days. You're all right, Tip. dubya of all people has mellowed on lgbt issues, and even offered to officiate a gay wedding.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:22
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Voyager I posted:Holy poo poo that's like a solid page of replies in 10 minutes about what President Trump means for your gay friends. A lot of people spend a lot of time thinking about this! Ideally, not at 3 am lying in a pool of cold sweat.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:23
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Man I hated her so much when I was a kid, but I googled her recently and was pleasantly surprised. She's a major LGBTQ rights activist and does a lot of other nice things these days. You're all right, Tip. Little me disliked her because she said a bad thing about a video game. I wonder if a lot of people still have that lingering "gently caress yoooou" element for Clinton for similar reasons.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:23
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I have no idea how to reconcile things like this with my opposition to the death penalty. I sincerely wish we'd taken Bin Laden alive and put him on trial, but maybe I'm naive. What would that trial even have been, could it possibly have been fair, would there have been any verdict but death at the end of it anyway. Yeah foreign policy is one of those things that is unimaginably easier to be sitting on the sidelines critiquing what is happening than actually making the calls with imperfect information trying to salvage some sort of respectable outcome to a super lovely situation. Some decisions are stupid and end up being really dumb, but others only look dumb because can't see the other possible outcomes, just the one that happened. I don't understand how conservatives can give Bush2 the benefit of the doubt with Iraq (which went horribly and was forced by Bush) and yet be so critical of Obama in Libya (where a civil war started without American intervention and it ended up going fine all things considered). Oh wait yes I can they are stupid people who are horrible.
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NikkolasKing you do get that this election will have actual, real consequences beyond the specific aesthetic typology of the suit who sits in the big chair for the TV cameras, right? Like, I'm sorry to be flippant, but your posting really doesn't indicate that this possibility has really breached your reality sphere other than "my gay friends might be more uncomfortable somehow (???)." The New Yorker recently did a writeup of what the early phase of a Trump presidency might reasonably be expected to look like. You should read it. The New Yorker posted:Trump aides are organizing what one Republican close to the campaign calls the First Day Project. “Trump spends several hours signing papers—and erases the Obama Presidency,” he said. Stephen Moore, an official campaign adviser who is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, explained, “We want to identify maybe twenty-five executive orders that Trump could sign literally the first day in office.” E: A fun little detail from that article is that Michael Chertoff privately counsels young republicans that joining a theoretical Trump Administration would be highly morally compromising. HookedOnChthonics fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 06:23
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Instant Sunrise posted:dubya of all people has mellowed on lgbt issues, and even offered to officiate a gay wedding. G.Dubs strikes me as someone who could have been a completely different person in another life. I'm not mad at Michelle for the hug photo. I think he really may not be the man he was when he was Cheney's puppet.
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ImpAtom posted:Little me disliked her because she said a bad thing about a video game. I wonder if a lot of people still have that lingering "gently caress yoooou" element for Clinton for similar reasons. Probably, but most of those people were on Trump's side already I imagine. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 06:25
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Reminder that George W Bush destroyed a sovereign nation for no reason and deserves to spend eternity roasting in Hell.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:27
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Voyager I posted:Holy poo poo that's like a solid page of replies in 10 minutes about what President Trump means for your gay friends. That announcement speech really was the singular moment where our political reality became unhinged. The man said absolutely vile things about a nationality, and our media collectively dismissed it.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:28
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Has Hillary even said anything about video games recently? I've heard a few people around my age mention that as a reason they aren't voting for her, but they're also manchildren who complain about the evils of feminism so it's not like I'm surprised.
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GalacticAcid posted:Reminder that George W Bush destroyed a sovereign nation for no reason and deserves to spend eternity roasting in Hell. That's not true at all. He did it so that he could say he did something better than daddy did and did it all by himself so everyone should be proud. A terrible, indefensible reason.
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bobjr posted:Has Hillary even said anything about video games recently? I've heard a few people around my age mention that as a reason they aren't voting for her, but they're also manchildren who complain about the evils of feminism so it's not like I'm surprised. I don't know, but as someone who enjoys noted video game cesspools, Dota 2 and EVE Online, I have to say that gamers are the absolute worst.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:30
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Nichael posted:he or she Come on now
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Anyone who turned eighteen this year was born in the same year that the Lewinsky scandal broke. gently caress, I was in fifth grade when that happened.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:32
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Come on now Yeah, you're right.
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bobjr posted:Has Hillary even said anything about video games recently? I've heard a few people around my age mention that as a reason they aren't voting for her, but they're also manchildren who complain about the evils of feminism so it's not like I'm surprised. Not that I know of, but video games are also considered more "mainstream" than back in the day, so she probably doesn't really care. So the answer to your question is bobjr posted:they're also manchildren who complain about the evils of feminism so it's not like I'm surprised.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:33
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bobjr posted:Has Hillary even said anything about video games recently? I've heard a few people around my age mention that as a reason they aren't voting for her, but they're also manchildren who complain about the evils of feminism so it's not like I'm surprised. As far as I know the last time she really did anything about them was 11 years ago in 2005, and it focused entirely on limiting the purchase age for things rated M or A to those over 18. I can imagine your idiot friends were under 18 around then and remember hating her for making them ask their parents if they could buy GTA and haven't forgiven her or progressed mentally beyond then in the intervening decade.
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Star Man posted:Anyone who turned eighteen this year was born in the same year that the Lewinsky scandal broke. the media coverage surrounding the lewinsky scandal was basically my sex ed
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Oct 6, 2016 06:35
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Star Man posted:Anyone who turned eighteen this year was born in the same year that the Lewinsky scandal broke. God I pity the world's middle school teachers when that story broke. Tryna do a nice unit about civics and now you gotta explain what a blowie is
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I think my favorite thing regarding Trump's VP being the shadow president is we only have confirmation of it because they tried to give the deal to Kasich and he told them to go gently caress themselves. Make no mistake, Kasich is still bad, but I have to give him alot of credit as the last knee unbent. They held the convention in Ohio and he said he had better things to do. He still hasn't endorsed Trump, unlike Complyin' Ted. I wonder if they will take note of this after riding the trump train directly into the ground.
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Oct 6, 2016 06:36
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I remember hoping that Al Gore would lose the election because his Joe Lieberman championed video game censorship laws. I was also thirteen.Instant Sunrise posted:the media coverage surrounding the lewinsky scandal was basically my sex ed Tiny Brontosaurus posted:God I pity the world's middle school teachers when that story broke. Tryna do a nice unit about civics and now you gotta explain what a blowie is I don't think I knew what a blowjob was until I started seventh grade in 1999. I think I was out of high school by the time I had any grasp about what the scandal was. I know that I heard countless jabs at the Clintons when I was a kid, but had no idea what any of it meant. It was just white noise to me. Star Man fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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I remember being in 3rd grade learning what impeachment was because it is a rare historic event and they thought we should know. I also remember being in 9th grade and hearing kids complain about soccer practice being cancelled because some dumb buildings fell down in new york.
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