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multijoe posted:Just because Rothfuss sucks you don't need to start making GBS hatethread posts about the guy. In fact, you really shouldn't! You're talking to goons who are so broken they will call you mentally ill for not liking their real-person fanfiction. It's probably a lost cause. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You're talking to goons who are so broken they will call you mentally ill for not liking their real-person fanfiction. It's probably a lost cause. Broken how?
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Apr 19, 2017 00:31
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I'd just like to point out that for having the third most posts in this thread I have far and away contributed the least. 
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Apr 19, 2017 00:57
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's incredibly creepy to obsess over someone like that because you don't like their dumb fantasy bestsellers and blog posts You're "Critical Reading of Name of the Wind" provided a great chapter-by-chapter breakdown of the book, it's themes, plot, writing, highs and lows, often with contrasting material from better novels and authors, with explanations and analysis how and why themes and characters can be illustrated in better ways. I don't think many people reading your critique would infer anything about whether it's good, bad, or creepy to obsess over someone because you don't like their dumb fantasy bestsellers.
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ulmont posted:For the two years after that the conventional wisdom was "Felurian and the Adem are both dumber than hell, but the rest of it is pretty good." I know goons can be pretty dumb but I refuse to believe there was a general consensus that the dozens/hundreds of pages of Harry Potter and the Tuition Deadline fanfic was good. It might not have been as absurd as Felurian and the Adem but it was inexcusably bad.
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concept: fleshlute, like a fleshlight but, a lute
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Evil Fluffy posted:I know goons can be pretty dumb but I refuse to believe there was a general consensus that the dozens/hundreds of pages of Harry Potter and the Tuition Deadline fanfic was good. It might not have been as absurd as Felurian and the Adem but it was inexcusably bad. Feel free to go back to pages 6-60.
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I'd be willing to bet that most goons would still be pretty high on the books of the third one had been released in a timely manner. The Bad Thread started out as very positive about ASoIaF too, and now......
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'd be willing to bet that most goons would still be pretty high on the books of the third one had been released in a timely manner. The Bad Thread started out as very positive about ASoIaF too, and now...... I think I would still be pretty keen on book 2 if book 3 had been released on time, and wasn't embarrassingly worse than book 2. Even at the time, though, I thought WMF was overly long, and that the Fleurian sections were stupid.
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I never finished the first book because it was a literary travesty and came here specifically to see what other people thought of it. But by then the second book was out and JivJov was the only true believer left. Also I'm totally cool with hating on Rothfuss as an internet identity and not as a real person. I'm sure if I actually met him I'd draw wildly different conclusions about him as a person and a parent, but I am allowed to judge him based on what he openly puts on the internet. I don't make conclusions about his mental health though regardless of what he says about it because that would be weird.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'd be willing to bet that most goons would still be pretty high on the books of the third one had been released in a timely manner. The Bad Thread started out as very positive about ASoIaF too, and now...... If the third book came out on time and, more importantly, made up for book two, I feel like a lot would have been forgiven. Instead we've basically had multiple years of Rothfuss being a dick and......that's it. No good books or material where you can say "Well, guy's an rear end, but I liked his last story, so whatever". At this point, he is the story. Which is apparently how he wants it. (For that matter, if the next ASoIaF book dropped tomorrow and was a literary masterpiece that blew me away, I'd walk back pretty much everything I've said about GRRM in the last couple of years.)
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I think the negative turn of opinion was a combination of three things (seriously, this is real talk). 1. NOTW, as a stand alone, was a good opener for a new fantasy author. It came at a time when there was still a lot of hype around magic goes to school, and the purple prose played well with a younger audience. I was 18 when it came out and certainly less of a discerning reader than I am now. But then WMF's dropped, and everything I was willing to overlook, consciously or subconsciously, about book one was magnified in book two (Little to no evidence of an unreliable narrator, even purpler prose (the whole Felurian section), unhealthy relationships with women, women as damsels in distress, whatever you want to call Auri, very little forward progression in the plot, etc). Now that we had a corpus rather than a single book, patterns emerged. It became easier to point at something and say, "oh, this isn't good" and see the pattern, and harder to forgive the obvious flaws. I don't think its unfair to say book two made book one worse. 2. There was time to uncover some well written, critical reviews of his work. I am having a hard time finding the specific pieces, but they did a great job illuminating a lot of the sexism and vapidness using specific examples and quotes from the book. I'll fully admit that my opinion can be shaped by others who write concisely and with great expression about what they do and don't like. After reading some of these articles, which I wish I could find again, I found I couldn't disagree with their conclusions. "How did I overlook that?" was a question I asked myself several times. Being young, I guess. 3. The author's blog. From weird fan fiction to multi page essays about high school girls turned porn stars, this was an all around disastrous insight into the author's mind. His standoffish nature, open hostility to questions about book 3 (whose original release date was promised to be somewhere around 2010 I think), and failed attempts at live streaming created the picture of an unsympathetic man. There's a common question in literary circles: how much consideration should be given to the author of a book vs the book itself? Rothfuss forces us to take his morals, views, and personality into consideration with how he's chosen to present himself online and in other media. And it's not an attractive lens. That's my take. Name of the Wind repopularized the fantasy genre. It was mainstream. My wife's father read it- I don't think he's read one other fantasy book in two decades. When that type of attention is introduced to your niche, you naturally want it to be successful, to act as an ambassador to those outside your niche. When it fails to live up to expectations, the fall is made that much more painful by the hopes you pinned on the work.
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Benson Cunningham posted:I don't think its unfair to say book two made book one worse. No, that's very much the case. Benson Cunningham posted:His standoffish nature, open hostility to questions about book 3 (whose original release date was promised to be somewhere around 2010 I think) Yes, 2010. quote:April 18, 2007 Note that Rothfuss has now had AN ENTIRE loving DECADE from that blog post and hasn't been able to do "some editorial work" on Book Three. ...at this point I'm hoping for a heart attack and a Sanderson Book Three, because I don't think we're ever getting Book Three any other way.
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See what I'm wondering about is why the hell do people still want Book Three after the disaster WMF was.
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anilEhilated posted:See what I'm wondering about is why the hell do people still want Book Three after the disaster WMF was. I want to see how bad and disappointing it can get
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anilEhilated posted:See what I'm wondering about is why the hell do people still want Book Three after the disaster WMF was. I will wonder if Rothfuss could somehow surprise me and stick the landing until I see him gently caress it up.
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Personally I know it's actually secret rear end cancer slowing Rothfuss down and nothing to do with his mental state, and I'm raring and ready to post this baseless speculation and then accuse anyone who calls me on it of also having secret rear end cancer 
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anilEhilated posted:See what I'm wondering about is why the hell do people still want Book Three after the disaster WMF was. Closure, I guess? I want to find out what happened to him to make him decide to be old and sad for the rest of his life.
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anilEhilated posted:See what I'm wondering about is why the hell do people still want Book Three after the disaster WMF was. Echoing the others that have answered for me it's just because I like to finish things I start. I watched both seasons of The Loop. I watched the last two Hobbit movies. I keep playing the new Tekken games. I finished The Dark Tower series despite Song of Susannah doing it's absolute best to get me to stop reading it. Maybe the show will be a hit and the showrunners can finish the story like with ASoIaF. Can't wait to watch Kvothe be played by that red head kid from Shameless.
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Song of Susannah is so bad. I share your sentiments Solice Kirsk. Reading book three will be like watching a video of a car crash. Drama is compelling even if it lacks substance. Same with closure. Or to say it another way: Gene Wolfe posted:I felt that we two might commit some act so atrocious that the world, seeing us, would find it irresistible.”
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While I too want book three for some conclusion (see my earlier bemoaning Melanie Rawn) I'm not so foolish as to believe Doors of Stone would be the last Kvothe book. You'd have to be far dumber than Rothfuss to kill the golden calf at this point over something so obviously inconsequential as artistic vision or pride in one's work.
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He's certainly got pride.
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PJOmega posted:I'm not so foolish as to believe Doors of Stone would be the last Kvothe book. I'm pretty sure that's Wise Man's Fear.
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Avshalom posted:i will write the third book 600 pages, each with the word "trash" perfectly centered in the page, all in different fonts. Attributed to Bad-Dick Rothfart.
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Apr 20, 2017 01:11
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Write the third book using only words from posts in this thread.
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Democratic Pirate posted:Write the third book using only words from posts in this thread. Trash trash Baudolino trash
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ulmont posted:...at this point I'm hoping for a heart attack and a Sanderson Book Three, because I don't think we're ever getting Book Three any other way. I'm not sure what you have against Sanderson but I wouldn't want him anywhere near the kingkiller clusterfuck. He has plenty of better books/series to work on as it is.
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I don't think Sanderson would touch someone else's weird fetish piece with a ten foot pole.
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tim0mit posted:I don't think Sanderson would touch someone else's weird fetish piece with a ten foot pole. *Tugs braid, smooths skirt.*
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PJOmega posted:*Tugs braid, smooths skirt.* Ah, but that wasn't weird fetish!
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Torrannor posted:Ah, but that wasn't weird fetish! I think whatever the gently caress this is was posted in this thread before. Disclaimer: I've never read WoT and saved this because what the loving gently caress is this?
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A completely standard webcomic, it seems.
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My bad, sexually repressed women smoothing skirts and tugging their braids is the one fetish he IS comfortable with.
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Didn't Rothfuss say he had orders for his notes and stuff to be destroyed in the event of his death or am I conflating him with GRRM?
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Paragon8 posted:Didn't Rothfuss say he had orders for his notes and stuff to be destroyed in the event of his death or am I conflating him with GRRM? I'm laughing at the idea of Rothfuss's "Top Secret" folder of blank paper.
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If the original story exists in any format I wouldn't be surprised if he'd want it destroyed given how much rewriting it probably required to end up even in the state it's in now.PJOmega posted:I'm laughing at the idea of Rothfuss's "Top Secret" folder of blank paper. "So why haven't we seen any of the documents?" "No, you misunderstand me. I mean I wouldn't have to go through with that, because there was nothing in any of the boxes but packing peanuts."
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PJOmega posted:I think whatever the gently caress this is was posted in this thread before. That may or may not have happened in the Jordan books. I'm leaning towards happened, because there's plenty of cringy stuff that I've blocked out. My favorite was the book about spankings and lesbians, which was all of them.
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BananaNutkins posted:That may or may not have happened in the Jordan books. I'm leaning towards happened, because there's plenty of cringy stuff that I've blocked out. My favorite was the book about spankings and lesbians, which was all of them. It might be based on something that happened, but I sure as hell don't remember it.
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