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Like, you can get thronmail on a naut, or taric vs 5 AD, those two champs I see it as less a "maybe" but naut would still have to be pretty fed. Generally I find when I'm playing support if I want a survivability item, I really want one that gives me HP instead of a fuckton of armor, and probably utility. Banner/Zz'rot/etc. Glacial is really good though because it's somewhat flexible, gives mana, and builds into some really fantastic items. On a support that more likes armor I can go Frozen heart on even IBG if I can proc it often enough (blitz, ali maybe? I don't play them often). Zekes is also REALLY good on any support that appreciates AP. As Janna I'll never be tanky enough for thornmail to really ever be useful, but a Mikhaels heal, another shorter CD skill, or even a locket shield will definitely help me survive a fight- IF I'm the one who needs to be surviving. They also work for your teammates. I usually play Janna, Leona, and Morg for my supports if that makes a difference on this advice.
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IMHO one of the best ways to climb the ladder without anxiety is to use an implanted (or even real) sense of competitive tryharding, jealousy, or rage. Currently I'm 17-3 in my last 20 ranked games, but it's still not good enough, because the most popular Japanese Twitch streamer is a support main and she's Diamond IV as of last night, whereas I'm Diamond V 60LP. I went to her twitch and bantered about carrying her and she permabanned me like a jerkface. I won't be satisfied until the person that I've carried numerous times is below me. I'm sure my next target will be that わははfucker, who is somehow Diamond II, and after that, another person. It might sound stupid but this is an incredibly common thinking style in higher elos.
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slydingdoor posted:I listed a bunch of reasons why it might have been the right situational buy at that particular time in that particular game that no one noticed or answered. Instead they just kept repeating the same canned responses... Huh, maybe I stumbled upon the truths that the secret cult of elite support mains don't want people like me to know! the things they said were correct and they are exclusive with the thing you did, so why is it necessary to break it down one by one
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pog boyfriend posted:oh man you are going to go ape poo poo when you get jayce So I just looked up Jayce... He has a hammer that can turn into a cannon? And he got buffed last patch? 
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Apr 4, 2016 08:39
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Jayce is also relentlessly easy to feed with
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he sucks though
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oh god i lolnexus'd my current game everyone in it the highest was me at gold 1 s5, next highest was gold 4 how far have i fallen
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Apr 4, 2016 08:51
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flash exhaust fiora top thats how far
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Apr 4, 2016 09:01
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Double assassin bot games are still fun as hell.
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Apr 4, 2016 09:05
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Luna Was Here posted:flash exhaust fiora top "Fiora you need to be a tank you can't be full damage" "Draven can be the tank since he wants to win so badly" 
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Apr 4, 2016 09:25
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riots matchmaking for ranked seems pretty good (guess which team im on)
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Apr 4, 2016 09:50
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pro click Did you shave yet?
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Luna Was Here posted:flash exhaust fiora top I've been playing a lot of Fiora lately on my gold smurf and honestly, the only reason I even run TP on her is for the lategame homeguard TP ganks on the enemy ADC who has the balls to try to go clear a wave in a sidelane. You can just TP directly onto the minion they're trying to kill and run them down and kill them without them having any chance of doing anything about it.
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Apr 4, 2016 12:20
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And finally, to cap off my bad post trifecta, I feel fully vindicated in my Jhin = Varus observation as those two champions have been inexorably linked in pro play teamcomps for a couple of weeks now, across several regions
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Apr 4, 2016 12:22
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varus is a midlaner.
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Apr 4, 2016 12:57
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Jhin can easily be played in midlane too
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Apr 4, 2016 13:12
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The Mash posted:Jhin can easily be played in midlane too Sure, if you like dying.
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The Mash posted:Jhin can easily be played in midlane too The Mash posted:pro play
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Mr. Humalong posted:I'd like to have a second champion to play when Volibear gets picked/banned but nothing I've tried has really seemed to click with me. I only play jungle and top and I prefer to play champs that are relatively to really tanky. Udyr feels like a strong choice, but he gets banned in about 85-90% of Bronze/Silver games. Same with Jax and Mundo. Anyone willing to toss out some ideas? Here's my op.gg if you want to look at all the champions I've tried and failed to play. Amumu is brain dead simple and a good champion. He's also one of the champs with a giant "hey dipshits engage now" button, which comes in handy at low elo. I know you've played him a bit but play him more. More. Mooooore. Also his surprise party skin is top tier.
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The Mash posted:Jhin can easily be played in midlane too Jhin's laning phase requires you to bully the opponent by being up in their face and landing Dancing Grenade's on the enemy until they can't be near the creep wave. this requires you to play very forward and in mid lane you will die a lot. Varus just sits back and farms until he does enough damage to poke people out from a very safe position. they are not analogous at all.
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Are they really nerfing my Sassy Dragon? poo poo. Not end of the world nerfs but still... why?
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new champs aren't allowed to be good on release sorry.
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Kashuno posted:new champs aren't allowed to be good on release sorry. He isn't even that good. Half his kit relies on really really quirky situational abuse. Anyone with a gap closer murders him. I could go on but y'all know this anway. I will keep playing him because he is the best thing in this game since old Jayce.
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Apr 4, 2016 13:37
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remember when new poppy came out and she was one of the lowest winrates in the game? this guy came out and people already are doing well with him.
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Mr. Humalong posted:I'd like to have a second champion to play when Volibear gets picked/banned but nothing I've tried has really seemed to click with me. I only play jungle and top and I prefer to play champs that are relatively to really tanky. Udyr feels like a strong choice, but he gets banned in about 85-90% of Bronze/Silver games. Same with Jax and Mundo. Anyone willing to toss out some ideas? Here's my op.gg if you want to look at all the champions I've tried and failed to play. if you like fast runman bulky champions singed is really fun and has access to strategies nobody else in the entire game can pull off as well as him. he has a very low skill floor but his knowledge floor on the other hand is pretty high, you will need quite a few games before what he can and can't do really clicks.
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I've played singed for so long and didn't realize that if you flipped someone into the goo they got rooted.
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Kashuno posted:I've played singed for so long and didn't realize that if you flipped someone into the goo they got rooted. its pretty much impossible to use decently so it doesnt really matter that it exists also with regards to thornmail on thresh, we had three fed enemy AD champs on the enemy team that auto attacked quite a lot. especially a graves with a billion lifesteal needs to not be healing for free off the support, i don't think thornmail was a bad pickup that game. fed graves really just means your team is doomed to do negative damage to him forever. speaking of fed Graves, really hope Graves gets dumpstered because I'm sick of his ubiquitous rear end being in every goddamn lane in every goddamn game and still having a 53% winrate in top mid jungle and bot. also Kog'maw is still as brainlessly easy as ever. get a rageblade and if you get 3 seconds of free hits on the enemy ADC they are probably dead. How Rude fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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KicksYouInHalf posted:gently caress this "wait til you're ready" poo poo. Just dive right in and feed your face off, get placed, and then work toward a goal. Want to know how yo get over ranked anxiety? Play ranked. Play normals for fun and goofin and experimenting and poo poo like that but if you really want to learn the game better and improve, play some ranked. I used to have incredibly bad ladder anxiety and now I don't. The method works. I actually agree with this. I'm incredibly low ranked (thought I was climbing to Silver, until I hit this massive losing streak where I've had individually decent results K/D/A-wise, but overall just have not been able to win). Even with that, however, I'd rather play ranked than normal, any time. Ranked just keeps people honest to a different degree than normals do. I may get frustrated by my teammates doing stupid things, but I generally know it's just because they are making stupid decisions. With normals, I got tired of people doing just really dumb poo poo that wasted a ton of my time because "normals, who cares lulz." I really don't want to play a 4v5 because someone on my team decided it's normals, so why not Soraka jungle.
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keeby noslydingdoor posted:I'm boosted and I know it Yes, Graves and Kog'maw are terrible. The favorite thing I heard about the latter was some streamer saying "playing this champ makes you worse at ad carry." You can't kite or animation cancel, just standing there autoing any damage guy in range or letting jesus take the wheel when you need to chase is always the play. At worst you need to press the flash or bork button or juke, all of which are pretty easy when the champ demands no mechanical skill.
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seizure later posted:Jhin's laning phase requires you to bully the opponent by being up in their face and landing Dancing Grenade's on the enemy until they can't be near the creep wave. this requires you to play very forward and in mid lane you will die a lot. And yet they're filling the exact same roles (roles as in tasks rather than positions on the map) and get picked on the exact same comps in pro play. They supplement eachother well because they supply fundamentally similar things to a team: zone control, long-range CC and physical damage poke. Varus is a better opener and Jhin is a better closer and they have different power spikes, but the Jhin/Varus/Gragas comp will only get more common until one of the three (probably Jhin) eats a nerf.
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KicksYouInHalf posted:This is just my opinion but ima present it as fact with no backing evidence. I know everyone is different and all that. But, even though I didn't "care" using this logic was still having an adverse effect on me. Losing 4 games in a row of ranked dynamic queue is still incredibly disheartening in a way that normals isn't, as much as I try to say it doesn't matter. Plus I like being able to play karthus jungle and have nobody get mad about it
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The last time you should have picked up a selfish item on Thresh was season 3 when both Thresh and Sunfire were broken and you could come out of landing phase with enough gold for a full item. Get a Frozen Heart or something don't buy selfish items on support.
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slydingdoor posted:Seriously someone else will rubio the conventional support knowledge I and everyone knows is at worst 99.999% correct.
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I'm low ranked too, and my experience has been completely opposite. I've only played a couple dozen games and am even right now. I also haven't experienced a losing streak. Overall though, I've had games where my support helped the enemy team the entire game making it a 4v6. I've had games where people just ran into the enemy team going between 0/8 to 0/12 by the time we could surrender at 20. I've had games where a person refused to stop going in 1v5. I've found normals to be way more reasonable.
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SlyFrog posted:I actually agree with this. I'm incredibly low ranked (thought I was climbing to Silver, until I hit this massive losing streak where I've had individually decent results K/D/A-wise, but overall just have not been able to win). Even with that, however, I'd rather play ranked than normal, any time. Ranked just keeps people honest to a different degree than normals do. I may get frustrated by my teammates doing stupid things, but I generally know it's just because they are making stupid decisions. Sometimes I'd rather play with drunk duos playing yasuo bot than with tryhard Riven mains who lose their level2 all in then blame jungler. And honestly, ranked have their own share of fucktards who don't actually play nonstandard because they want something else but because you banned his Zed and now he is trolling.
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How the hell can I reliably get top? I've always qued top/bot and mostly gotten top but like 4 of my last 5 have been bot and it's bullshit.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:How the hell can I reliably get top? I've always qued top/bot and mostly gotten top but like 4 of my last 5 have been bot and it's bullshit. put mid as your secondary
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The Mash posted:And yet they're filling the exact same roles (roles as in tasks rather than positions on the map) and get picked on the exact same comps in pro play. They supplement eachother well because they supply fundamentally similar things to a team: zone control, long-range CC and physical damage poke. Varus is a better opener and Jhin is a better closer and they have different power spikes, but the Jhin/Varus/Gragas comp will only get more common until one of the three (probably Jhin) eats a nerf. so you're changing your stance from "Jhin and Varus are essentially the same champion" to "they perform x task in a team comp"? so Jinx, Ashe, Caitlyn and Jayce are also all the same champion then.
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they've been making changes to the system to try to get a more reliable spread of main / secondary role (or so they claim.)
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The Mash posted:And finally, to cap off my bad post trifecta, I feel fully vindicated in my Jhin = Varus observation as those two champions have been inexorably linked in pro play teamcomps for a couple of weeks now, across several regions To add nothing to this discussion, I'm going to add that I feel vindicated in having agreed with you several weeks ago.
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