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ShaneB posted:Can anyone help me understand why they had to add all the "except if...." text to the non-token Vizier of Many Faces? Magic rules are based on a 20+ legacy system and sort of operates like a computer system that you manually plug logic into. I'm not sure that makes sense. Copy effects are strange. An embalmed token is a complete copy of the original card, except it's white instead of its original colors and is a Zombie in addition to its types. Everything else is the identical, so its token text that's printed on the token is more of reminder text - its actual text isn't really different from the text box on the original card. If anyone's wondering why this particular token has a different text box than the printed card, keep in mind they all do. All embalmed version tokens should technically have the embalm ability printed on them, since they're exact copies. It's just that embalm can never work on a token because it only works from the graveyard and they can never be in the graveyard, so they just leave it off. Edit: Also, copy effects copy other copy effects.
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ShaneB posted:Ummm It's not a double-faced card and has to function if you don't have a copy of the token card.
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evilweasel posted:It's not a double-faced card and has to function if you don't have a copy of the token card. This is the best explanation, thank you
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ShaneB posted:Ummm Babies play the game too.
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KillarySwank posted:Babies play the game too. I just never really considered that the token wouldn't always be around so it's just clumsy templating for that scenario.
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# ? Apr 12, 2017 22:14 |
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ShaneB posted:Ummm I don't think you can put rules text on a token if it's not on the card that generates the token.
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# ? Apr 12, 2017 22:17 |
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Token rules text is all made up lies, much like the constitution or when my dad said santa was real.
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# ? Apr 12, 2017 22:22 |
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The best possible outcome for Hour of Devastation, plotwise, based on my limited knowledge of the plot (bolas is there, gatwatch is summoned, plane spoke to Nissa) is this: Gatwatch arrives. Find Bolas has built himself a planeswalker factory and shielded the city and warped the culture into one of sacrifice. Gatewatch stop all of this. The day is saved. The plane itself or something of similar scale was actually being kept restrained by the sacrifice, and is sentient, the planeswalker harvesting was just a side effect that Bolas set up to extract some value from the terrible process. Bolas is broken, city collapses, plane rides up, Jace and Nissa move to speak to the plane and convince it that the sacrifice was wrong, Jace tries to communicate telepathically and Nissa through her earth mother voodoo. It loving eats them and the gatewatch has to flee, knowing a sentient plane is going to attempt to chase them through the blind eternities. Bolas intercepts them a block or two down the road and suggests that New Phyrexia itself can be weaponized and he had been sowing the seeds for such through Tezz. We go to NP and Bolas tries to play NP, the artificial unlife creator vs Amonkhet, the natural organic life devourer, with the Phyrexian rebellion, jacetice league, tezzerets, and Bolas all having conflicting interests.
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# ? Apr 12, 2017 22:34 |
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That clone made me realize two things that could help explain the wording: 1. The Embalmed creature has the same name as the creature. 2. The embalm tokens will not always be available. It seems clunky, but this way you can easily shorthand its representation on the board by moving the card from your graveyard to the battlefield without issue.
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Sigma-X posted:The best possible outcome for Hour of Devastation, plotwise, based on my limited knowledge of the plot (bolas is there, gatwatch is summoned, plane spoke to Nissa) is this: Just curious how long you had to run the numbers to figure out that this story was the best of all of them
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Sigma-X posted:The best possible outcome for Hour of Devastation, plotwise, based on my limited knowledge of the plot (bolas is there, gatwatch is summoned, plane spoke to Nissa) is this:
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Sigma-X posted:The best possible outcome for Hour of Devastation, plotwise, based on my limited knowledge of the plot (bolas is there, gatwatch is summoned, plane spoke to Nissa) is this: So basically Battle for Zendikar?
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Sigma-X posted:The best possible outcome for Hour of Devastation, plotwise, based on my limited knowledge of the plot (bolas is there, gatwatch is summoned, plane spoke to Nissa) is this: sure, except replace "jace" with "chandra" if fire can kill cthulhu, it can talk to desertland
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# ? Apr 12, 2017 22:58 |
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If that text wasn't on the card, the embalm'd copy would not be white or a zombie.
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# ? Apr 12, 2017 22:59 |
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mossyfisk posted:If that text wasn't on the card, the embalm'd copy would not be white or a zombie. Now if you want to ask "why does Embalm add so many words to an already complicated flashback token mechanic just for the sake of flavor" that question's a lot harder to answer satisfyingly.
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YggdrasilTM posted:So basically Battle for Zendikar? More like Rath and the weatherlight saga.
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black potus posted:Token rules text is all made up lies, much like the constitution or when my dad said santa was real. Santa is real
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# ? Apr 12, 2017 23:34 |
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Sigma-X posted:More like Rath and the weatherlight saga. There was something about Kaladesh that had vibes of Mercadian Masques.
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Star Man posted:There was something about Kaladesh that had vibes of Mercadian Masques. it wasn''t the art so that seems like a pretty dire insult
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UberJew posted:it wasn''t the art so that seems like a pretty dire insult Much like Masques block, Kaladesh block did not have a third set.
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Attorney at Funk posted:Now if you want to ask "why does Embalm add so many words to an already complicated flashback token mechanic just for the sake of flavor" that question's a lot harder to answer satisfyingly. Because that flavor is awesome as heck, they're goddamn mummies holy hell.
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# ? Apr 12, 2017 23:49 |
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Because that flavor is awesome as heck, they're goddamn mummies holy hell. Eh. They could've done the tokens without the extra rules mumbo jumbo and it'd have been exactly as cool.
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e: Nevermind. I no read good.
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# ? Apr 13, 2017 00:22 |
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I'll bet any one of you one entire nickel right now that Embalm Clone is standard playable, especially if Gods and Gearhulks are common
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# ? Apr 13, 2017 00:22 |
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Embalm wording might be clunky but it's never going to cause problems because the core idea is real loving easy to understand. They're mummies! It's like how Animate Dead has roughly ten billion words on it in some incarnations but everybody knows what it does because duh.
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ManMythLegend posted:Gonna be fun to clone snake god with this T4 and go to town. By town you mean, the graveyard as a state based action?
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Lone Goat posted:By town you mean, the graveyard as a state based action? poo poo. Forgot he was legendary.
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# ? Apr 13, 2017 00:40 |
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Did you think Rhonas was just a god?!
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# ? Apr 13, 2017 00:42 |
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what if rhonas was one of us
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# ? Apr 13, 2017 00:50 |
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I'm the standard format where a competitively costed Clone sucks because every playable expensive creature is a Legendary. E: poo poo it happened in Kamigawa too.
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# ? Apr 13, 2017 00:54 |
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Clone a green Gearhulk, go to town that way, it's a nice commute
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myDad posted:Santa is real A..are tokens real?
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Sigma-X posted:The best possible outcome for Hour of Devastation, plotwise, based on my limited knowledge of the plot (bolas is there, gatwatch is summoned, plane spoke to Nissa) is this: i refuse to read a word of this
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# ? Apr 13, 2017 01:34 |
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The best possible outcome for Hour of Devastation, plotwise, based on my limited knowledge of the plot (bolas is there, gatwatch is summoned, plane spoke to Nissa) is this:
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The best possible outcome for Hour of Devastation, plotwise, based on my limited knowledge of the plot (bolas is there, gatwatch is summoned, plane spoke to Nissa) is this: Dack Fayden steals the plane of Amonkhet away, leaving the Gatewatch and Bolas floating in empty space. They die.
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# ? Apr 13, 2017 02:08 |
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Ultima66 posted:I'm the standard format where a competitively costed Clone sucks because every playable expensive creature is a Legendary. Well back then, the Clones would have been Murder!
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# ? Apr 13, 2017 02:17 |
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"pew pew, take two" - every time I announce Harsh Mentor's trigger
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# ? Apr 13, 2017 02:18 |
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That was 90% of what we did with Phantasmal Image in SOM/INN anyway, kill Geist and Thrun. The other 10% was cloning titans and Rune-Scarred Demons.
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Nevermore/Runed Halo combo. This will have a place in that gimmicky modern enchantments deck I reckon.
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