Uncle Lloyd posted:

Nemesis was inspired by WoK, and so was Into Darkness, and they both sucked. I am not optimistic that the third time would be a charm. Have new ideas, dammit.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

He’s explicitly referring to the scene where Kirk outsmarts Khan with the shield trick instead of just outgunning him. Read the article, he’s literally voicing the same “more thoughtful exploration, less shooty pew pew” sentiment that this thread constantly calls for.

Beachcomber posted:

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think that as good as DS9 was, it might have created a lot of the problems that have plagued Trek ever since.

Uncle Lloyd posted:

Yeah I know, but there is no point in going back and aping WoK again, doesn't matter what part of it you're talking about. It's rightfully in the top tier of Trek canon, and anything you do that retraces the movie is going to be a) immediately compared to the original and b) almost certainly going to be not as good. I'm all for less shooty pew pew, and if it turns out that he's just using WoK as a general touchpoint for his ideas then hooray, but it's such an iconic part of Trek that I feel like the powers that be just keep saying "well people loved it the first time, so they'll probably love it again," and it never works.

Beachcomber posted:

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think that as good as DS9 was, it might have created a lot of the problems that have plagued Trek ever since.

MikeJF posted:

DS9 was great because it pushed things to a very fine line. The people since then have no idea that said line even exists.

marktheando posted:

DS9 is guilty of pretty much everything people whine about in modern Trek, people are just more forgiving of it since they saw it as children.

Drink-Mix Man posted:

marktheando posted:

DS9 is guilty of pretty much everything people whine about in modern Trek, people are just more forgiving of it since they saw it as children.

FuturePastNow posted:

No more reboots, no more prequels, stop trying to copy Wrath of Khan again.

HD DAD posted:

b-b-but what else is there to Star Trek!?!?

Drink-Mix Man posted:

Beachcomber posted:

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think that as good as DS9 was, it might have created a lot of the problems that have plagued Trek ever since.

HD DAD posted:

b-b-but what else is there to Star Trek!?!?

Veotax posted:

You can't, legally.

None of the Short Treks went up on Netflix until season 2 of Disco started, but I can't imagine that this episode will go on Netflix since Picard will be on Amazon. Maybe Amazon will put it up when the fist episode goes up?

Alan_Shore posted:

Where can I watch the picard short in the UK? I can't find it on Google! I'm freaking out here!

Alan_Shore posted:

Boo! How did everyone watch it then? CBS?

Veotax posted:

Yeah, it's all on the CBS streaming thing in the US. Here Netflix picked up the rights for Disco, Amazon picked up Picard and who the gently caress knows who (if anyone) is going to pick up The Lower Decks.
No idea how this second season of Short Treks is going to work since it's apparently covering both Disco and Picard stuff. Is Netflix going to get the episodes that cover another service's show when DIS season 3 starts? Is Amazon going to get those episodes? Or are they just not going to come out over here?

All this 'multiple shows in the same universe' stuff falls apart internationally when different networks pick-up different shows. The CW's DC shows Infinite Crisis event is completely hosed over here, it's a big crossover event spread over five different shows. Sky has three of them, Netflix has one and the fifth hasn't been picked up by anyone so the entire thing isn't even being shown over here.

Veotax posted:

Huh, neat. Didn't think that would work. I tried using a VPN to actually pay to watch Doom Patrol on the DC streaming thing and to get on Disney+ a few months early, both of them seemed to be blocking the US servers for NordVPN.

marktheando posted:

DS9 is guilty of pretty much everything people whine about in modern Trek, people are just more forgiving of it since they saw it as children.

Nessus posted:

My take is that these elements and themes that we consider to be "dark" or whatever are legitimate themes to explore, and DS9 made an excellent dish (metaphorically speaking) by mixing some of them in with Trek. Those themes and elements were also relatively infrequent at the time, as well as existing in another zeitgeist. In that zeitgeist a shadowy government conspiracy engaging in coverups and wearing crisp black suits suggested danger, perhaps, almost romance, and the possibility of hidden truths. We now know that that conspiracy would be "perpetuating tedious oligarchy," not "alien technology coverups" or even "Sasquatch." We also have this same kind of grim cynicism in a shitload of other stuff, so it doesn't come off as a seasoning any more.

Laterite posted:

Also to be fair to DS9, these kinds of themes and stories were already happening in the last several seasons of TNG as well. Redemption, Ro, Unification, Chain of Command, Descent, Gambit, a lot of the two-parters especially started exploring this stuff...shady Starfleet admirals and Federation policies, pirates and raiders, shifting boundaries, low level skirmishes between the big powers in the quadrant, etc.

LinkesAuge posted:

Not to mention that DS9 was actually AHEAD of its time and had a 9/11 event BEFORE 9/11 while still remaining positive in its message and even warning about the dangers of such an event and the reaction to it. What the Founder on Earth said to Sisko and that whole storyline around it was pretty much perfect, it also didn't overstay it's welcome.
Trying to once again go for a "9/11" is kind of lazy especially with its focus around Earth/the Federation. You have a post-Dominion war/Borg invasion galaxy, there would be countless stories outside the Federation territory and yet it seems to be THAT human centric, meh. It's already just so obvious what they are going for.

PS: The depiction of school in that short Trek also shows a serious lack of imagination. I'd be very disappointed if a typical school day in an utopian society would look just like today with freaking school uniforms and class rooms(!), something that's already outdated in modern approaches to schooling.

Mush Man posted:

I’m watching Star Trek Voyager for the first time and I love it! But now I’m reading most people think it’s bad and it just sorta kills me. I’m also weird because I’m watching reruns on free broadcast television. I guess I just have bad and wrong opinions.

Mush Man posted:

I’m watching Star Trek Voyager for the first time and I love it! But now I’m reading most people think it’s bad and it just sorta kills me. I’m also weird because I’m watching reruns on free broadcast television. I guess I just have bad and wrong opinions.