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Rainuwastaken
Oct 30, 2012

Another blue ribbon for Hecarim.
I'd actually be kinda bummed to see Dark Arts go. I understand why people hate it and that it doesn't need to be there, but the animation is incredible and I love that feeling of just hitting the BOOST button to crank up an attack.

Truga posted:

lol jesus christ why is SE so bad

I'm curious what the overlap between "buys XIV on steam" and "doesn't want to launch their games through steam" is. I launch like 99% of my PC games through the steam client so this change has exactly zero effect on me. Do you use a desktop shortcut or something to open the game? :shrug:

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isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you
Dark Arts rules and I love DRK's wild swings with the MP bar.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Rainuwastaken posted:

I'm curious what the overlap between "buys XIV on steam" and "doesn't want to launch their games through steam" is. I launch like 99% of my PC games through the steam client so this change has exactly zero effect on me. Do you use a desktop shortcut or something to open the game? :shrug:

Yeah I imagine not much.

I was just thinking maybe they'd finally be doing the link steam account so steam users don't have to log in every single time like it's 1999 like some other people were doing last couple months, but apparently it's not that. Triple A studios have their own rules on steam I guess.

I'm also still completely baffled by the idea of "you bought this game on steam, you can only buy new poo poo on steam now". How do you even get into that decision? Steam has a 30% tax or whatever, why *wouldn't* you want to sell extra poo poo in your own store. SE's online presence is just hilarity all the way down.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Rainuwastaken posted:

I'd actually be kinda bummed to see Dark Arts go. I understand why people hate it and that it doesn't need to be there, but the animation is incredible and I love that feeling of just hitting the BOOST button to crank up an attack.

I haven't gotten that far leveling DRK yet but I always figured I'd just slap Dark Arts on a mouse button so it's easily accessible and it wouldn't be a problem. I can see how it might feel like an extraneous button to some players but I also really like the idea of hitting a "power up" button.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

isk posted:

Dark Arts rules and I love DRK's wild swings with the MP bar.

The only problem with DRK's current setup is you could drain all your MP then have none left for melee attacks (remember, TP is going away.) So something's gotta give.

Astroniomix
Apr 24, 2015



Die Sexmonster! posted:

The only problem with DRK's current setup is you could drain all your MP then have none left for melee attacks (remember, TP is going away.) So something's gotta give.

This is only going to be true if they don't just make TP moves free. Which I think is more likely.

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


Rainuwastaken posted:

I'm curious what the overlap between "buys XIV on steam" and "doesn't want to launch their games through steam" is. I launch like 99% of my PC games through the steam client so this change has exactly zero effect on me. Do you use a desktop shortcut or something to open the game? :shrug:

I launch it from a desktop shortcut!

Granted when it changes it won't affect me any other than make it take slightly longer to open the game. I'm kind of concerned by reports that forcing the game to talk through Steam's own auth servers will add another layer of reasons why you got disconnected in the middle of a fight, but that's about it.

I'd still love to be able to disconnect my PC copy of the game from Steam entirely just for the sake of getting better pricing on future expansions, though.

Tormented
Jan 22, 2004

"And the goat shall bear upon itself all their iniquities unto a solitary place..."

Xarbala posted:

In my mad dash to get 200k mgp on four of my seven characters, I've been thinkin bout some good names for racebirbs

Question: Why do people make alts? Is it just so you don't have to spend money on Fantasia?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Tormented posted:

Question: Why do people make alts? Is it just so you don't have to spend money on Fantasia?

Playing on different servers, being in different FCs, not having to fantasia for different looks, because you like create characters, RP, and that's just off the top of my head. "To replay the story" was also a reason until they announced NG+

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

Truga posted:

Yeah I imagine not much.

I was just thinking maybe they'd finally be doing the link steam account so steam users don't have to log in every single time like it's 1999 like some other people were doing last couple months, but apparently it's not that. Triple A studios have their own rules on steam I guess.

I'm also still completely baffled by the idea of "you bought this game on steam, you can only buy new poo poo on steam now". How do you even get into that decision? Steam has a 30% tax or whatever, why *wouldn't* you want to sell extra poo poo in your own store. SE's online presence is just hilarity all the way down.

Isn't it a Steam thing rather than SE being bumbling? Not that they aren't bumbling buffoons.

Honestly, fantasia's should be something that lets you save a second/third/fourth/etc. character appearance. You can stay the same species and only change a few features that the aesthetician doesn't let you change, or go full on with another race. Maybe give it an instant free change between presets a cooldown of a couple of days or a week.

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011
Going ahead and quoting myself to keep this together, did Redsixte go too far trying to fake these or is this indicative of some really major class revamps? (this one was "tcjr.png")

I believe they said something to the effect of changing the usage of the Oaths at fanfest, so on the far outside chance these are legit and not straight bullshit, it might simply mean not all of these are being removed per se so much as heavily reworked.
I mean, they'd have to do a lot with the Rogue/Ninja job quests themselves if Hide disappears.

Kaubocks
Apr 13, 2011

Tormented posted:

Question: Why do people make alts? Is it just so you don't have to spend money on Fantasia?

can only answer for myself but, while i don't roleplay i still see my character as a character. my main au ra is kind of an rear end; i see him as primarily as someone in it for the fight and does what needs to get done. it's easy for me to project that onto him because i don't pay attention to the story, and because of this i focus on classes like warrior, dark knight, and a couple odd melee classes with him. i just don't really see him as the kinda guy to heal or cast spells.

meanwhile i still also really wanted to be a catgirl because they're cute, so i have an alt on her were i see her more as a theatrical hero; focusing on classes like paladin, red mage, and bard. some of this is a holdover from my time in wow where you had to have alts to play other classes. it's super smart that ffxiv lets one character be any class on a whim, but i did just kinda miss the subtle variety it brought.

ffxiv alts are a huge pain in the rear end but i just get around it by not taking my alt seriously at all. i'll level her classes up to 70 just to have them available if i feel like running current-ish content with friends on her. get her geared up in 360 because it's easy and so i don't feel forced to run exdr every day. she's really just there if i'm itching for a change or looking for a different body to play dressup on. i think in the past couple months i only really logged onto her to do seasonal events, honestly. the moment i feel pressured to keep an alt up to speed it's a failure, it needs to be just a "when i feel like it" kinda deal.

so, yeah, sort of so i don't have to fantasia? but not entirely. like if this game was like WoW i'd love to have a roedame, and a catboy, and, and... but also when hrothgar come out i'm going to be comfortable fantasiaing my au ra to one because i'd see his character as kind of the same. but i know i'm going to miss my au ra after a while.

Kaubocks fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Apr 19, 2019

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Argas posted:

Isn't it a Steam thing rather than SE being bumbling? Not that they aren't bumbling buffoons.

I play IL-2, it's ww2 flight sim game with a decent online community, and as long as you have a key for an expansion, they give zero shits about its origins. You log into your account, you can fly a mig or spitfire you got in an expansion however you want wherever you bought it, the only difference is running the game through steam doesn't require me to enter my user/pass the first time I run it.

I also play a lot of path of exile, exact same deal there. I use their launcher now because steam is a bit slow in patching that single giant content file. The whole process in moving from steam was "create a password on our website, since you log in through steam you don't have one yet". I also have to log into the game through steam if i want achievements to update, apparently. Same deal with ubisoft's uplay, i had to figure that poo poo out on first install but now everything just works automagically.

What is true is that for IL-2, apparently steam contacted them and they're not allowed to sell steam keys through their own website any longer (they still show up on humble though IIRC), so now if you buy something on their website it won't show up as owned on steam. No idea what the deal is, but it doesn't affect the customer at all since you need all the latest content downloaded to play online anyway, expansions on steam are just product keys, just like with MMOs.

FF14 is one of the very weird holdouts here.

KoB
May 1, 2009

Hogama posted:

Going ahead and quoting myself to keep this together, did Redsixte go too far trying to fake these or is this indicative of some really major class revamps? (this one was "tcjr.png")

I believe they said something to the effect of changing the usage of the Oaths at fanfest, so on the far outside chance these are legit and not straight bullshit, it might simply mean not all of these are being removed per se so much as heavily reworked.
I mean, they'd have to do a lot with the Rogue/Ninja job quests themselves if Hide disappears.

I dont really see the point of both tank and DPS stances at a certain point. Just make DPS stance the normal stats and just have tank stance as a toggle or something.

well see youve got your tank stance, your dps stance, and your bullshit stance, which you use if youre under 30 or a 50 WAR offtanking.

Smart Car
Mar 31, 2011

Oh no everyone.

LITERALLY MY FETISH
Nov 11, 2010


Raise Chris Coons' taxes so that we can have Medicare for All.

Astroniomix posted:

This is only going to be true if they don't just make TP moves free. Which I think is more likely.

yeah they're not gonna slap mp costs on every ability DRK has, it'd either be a nightmare or completely ignorable

Dark Arts' only real problem is the massive number of buttons you can use it on. Any DA that just adds extra threat outside of power slash seems real weird to me, lookin at you DA plunge

DA plunge should give you an extra use or an unleash on landing or something, kinda like how DA dark passenger changes what the spell does in a more substantial way than "makes numbers better"

DA siphon strike should be a mini convalesce or something, like an inner beast style thing.

It's not a fundamentally bad thing, it could just use better execution to make more interesting and cool decisions.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

Smart Car posted:

Oh no everyone.



Fake, they'll never get rid of that ability.

Edmond Dantes
Sep 12, 2007

Reactor: Online
Sensors: Online
Weapons: Online

ALL SYSTEMS NOMINAL

Kaubocks posted:

meanwhile i still also really wanted to be a catgirl because they're cute

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An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

why are people in this thread convinced that "removing TP" means "every TP skill will be free instead"

DontMindMe
Dec 3, 2010

What could possibly go wrong?
Wondering what I need to do before transfer happens.

What I can think of:
1. Pick up everything in room
2. Take everything off marketboard
3. Make sure everything in FC chest is stored on someone

Anything else?

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Overwatch Porn posted:

why are people in this thread convinced that "removing TP" means "every TP skill will be free instead"

Because there are two jobs that rely on the TP/MP split. TP is basically meaningless and can be removed without any real issue but MP matters with Paladin and Dark Knight and giving their moves MP costs would require completely rebuilding them from the ground up.

ParliamentOfDogs
Jan 29, 2009

My genre's thriller... What's yours?
Also why remove tp if you are just going to replace it. The whole point of removing tp is its awkward as hell and exists only to punish melee for doing correct things.

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

ParliamentOfDogs posted:

Also why remove tp if you are just going to replace it. The whole point of removing tp is its awkward as hell and exists only to punish melee for doing correct things.

The other point of removing TP is freeing up UI space :v:

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


ParliamentOfDogs posted:

Also why remove tp if you are just going to replace it. The whole point of removing tp is its awkward as hell and exists only to punish melee for doing correct things.

The point could also be to remove TP as a data value / UI element rather than just because most people don't push their buttons enough for it to matter. That said, merging it with MP would create a number of other issues unless the combat system rework is REAL big.

If they just say gently caress it skills free now, I will happily play the part of infinite buzzsaw any time there are multiple targets to hit. And then be mad when the dancer I got paired with in LLDR is still dutifully doing their single target rotation vs this pack of six monsters.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

EponymousMrYar posted:

The other point of removing TP is freeing up UI space :v:
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METERS

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


I would love if I could decouple from steam as I also launch via a desktop link. I had a lot graphical issues with XIV that stopped the second I no longer launched via steam and had to deal with the overlay. So that'll be annoying if it comes back.


Also I would love if they actually redid smn from the ground up to actually be a summoner. Keep the current version as a Bahamut cosplayer, but I want the style of summoning many different avatars for their hard hitting attack (ie each 'spell' could be summoning that av just for it) rather than affliction lock from WoW.

serious norman
Dec 13, 2007

im pickle rick!!!!
Got matched with a non English speaking party in roulette for the first time (my only language checked is English). On hullbreaker isle (regular). Healer walked into all the traps. Had to restart 3 times because of this.

On Kraken we wiped 2 times since healer and tank just jumped around and killed themselves.

I miss the gold saucer grind right now...

LITERALLY MY FETISH
Nov 11, 2010


Raise Chris Coons' taxes so that we can have Medicare for All.

Thundarr posted:

The point could also be to remove TP as a data value / UI element rather than just because most people don't push their buttons enough for it to matter. That said, merging it with MP would create a number of other issues unless the combat system rework is REAL big.

If they just say gently caress it skills free now, I will happily play the part of infinite buzzsaw any time there are multiple targets to hit. And then be mad when the dancer I got paired with in LLDR is still dutifully doing their single target rotation vs this pack of six monsters.

I am going to play dancer and exclusively use the most fabulously glamourous animation abilities and IDGAF if that means I'm doing an all aoe rotation all the time

Rainuwastaken
Oct 30, 2012

Another blue ribbon for Hecarim.

Eimi posted:

I would love if I could decouple from steam as I also launch via a desktop link. I had a lot graphical issues with XIV that stopped the second I no longer launched via steam and had to deal with the overlay. So that'll be annoying if it comes back.

Can't you completely disable the Steam overlay these days? Not that it's a 100% solution to your problem, but you should just be able to turn it off unless it's some weird quirk of the desktop link.

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

KoB posted:

Probably fake but the DA/Atherflow/Wildfire isnt so much them removing these buttons but a general class rework which changes things on a more fundamental level.

People getting all in a tizzy thinking that removing a button means they arent compensating with the class reworks need to calm down.

PLEASE remove Wildfire and make MCH more fun to actually play

Kaubocks
Apr 13, 2011

Kerrzhe posted:

PLEASE remove Wildfire and make MCH more fun to actually play

if you remove wildfire all you remove is one ogcd you press during overheat

overheat is the problem

edit: they can still make wildfire better in a multitude of ways, like making it desirable at all in an aoe situation compared to literally any other class's damage buff skills

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

Remove Overheat and Wildfire, go back to shots having cast times, bring back Grenado Shot.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
Delete MCH, replace it with Gun Mage and have it be the healing class.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Delete MCH and SMN, replace them with Summon Gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BYLg80VsYY

Givin
Jan 24, 2008
Givin of the Internet Hates You

ImpAtom posted:

Delete MCH and SMN, replace them with Summon Gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BYLg80VsYY

That's what you want but instead it will be more like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIOxsYDHWGc

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

Givin posted:

That's what you want but instead it will be more like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIOxsYDHWGc

I'm actually hoping it's more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUffFPTtYM

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005
Machinist is fine, delete everyone who says otherwise

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Smart Car posted:

Oh no everyone.



They're going to bring Fracture back.

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


Proper anime gun kata fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f4clXg9n-U

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Oct 21, 2010

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