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Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


how is number today :)

love number...

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HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

Ramadu posted:

how is number today :)

love number...

low prices, friend

rgocs
Nov 9, 2011
Are organs from fentanyl overdose victims harvestable? Because it would be really doomsday if fentanyl being pushed to patients just happens to create a constant stream of organ donations.

wilderthanmild
Jun 21, 2010

Posting shit




Grimey Drawer
Trump claims he has a deal: market rockets up hundreds of points
Trump says, well it's not really a deal but sorta kinda part 1 of a deal: market slows down a little, but still ends up hundreds of points
China says it's not even that and they still have a ways to go to even get there: market falls like 50 points.

Lying about the trade deal appears to be the optimal strategy.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Lambert posted:

Apparently, Donny did his usual thing by announcing they're just about to close on a trade deal with China on Friday. China says that they want more talks before they're ready to sign.

But hey, it did pump the market - keeps working again and again.

https://twitter.com/jendeben/status/1183682658355875840

commitments? have... have they not seen the turkey situation? lmao

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Lol no poo poo

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1183753032590188545?s=19

Unsure why it got deleted

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1WN105?__twitter_impression=true

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
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Ramadu posted:

how is number today :)

love number...
I have a deep insatiable craving for Brand. I need to engage with Brand or I will die.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


I have been engaged with Brand for a long time now. Brand keeps offering to set a wedding date, but when I try to accept Brand never seems to deliver anything.


and now you say you are engaged with Brand. has Brand been leading me on? I'm engaged with Brand... but is Brand engaged with me?!

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/gatesfoundation/status/1177314750251831296?s=21

gently caress you bill

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib
Hey bill long time listener big fan of the Windows 95 briefcase icon just wondering if you thought any specific socioeconomic structures contributed to that geography thing and whether the preservation of those structures will produce similar inequality down the road and if not why

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Marx Headroom posted:

Hey bill long time listener big fan of the Windows 95 briefcase icon just wondering if you thought any specific socioeconomic structures contributed to that geography thing and whether the preservation of those structures will produce similar inequality down the road and if not why

yes and thats why bill is sending all the condoms to africa in particular

also why he selects particular public schools for charterization

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Lol, nice

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
It is gonna be cool when brexit happens and the stock market breaks 30k

animist
Aug 28, 2018
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1183619068181602304

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004




boy howdy that graph says a lot of things they didn't intend for it to say

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

https://twitter.com/mondomike65/status/1183807197316141056?s=20

Lol wework phone booth offices have dangerous levels of formaldehyde in them for some reason

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop

Epic High Five posted:

boy howdy that graph says a lot of things they didn't intend for it to say

Checkout the axis scales

bag em and tag em
Nov 4, 2008

Oh yeah, number go UP UP UPPPPPPPPPPPP

Paolomania
Apr 26, 2006

Forbes put up a lolful editorial in support of Elizabeth Holmes - so lolful that it was very shortly taken down. Thankfully, Google cache remembers.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Dumb Lowtax posted:

Checkout the axis scales

ya lol, I wonder what a more sensibly laid out one would look like

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

Paolomania posted:

Forbes put up a lolful editorial in support of Elizabeth Holmes - so lolful that it was very shortly taken down. Thankfully, [url="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:M_s-O7QMxtUJ:https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2019/10/13/the-world-needs-more-visionaries-like-elizabeth-holmes/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us"]Google cache remembers[/url].

It's the same article posted to realclearpolitics.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/new-drug-pricing-data-shows-stunning-hikes-one-whopping-667-increase/

quote:

Pharmaceutical companies continue to raise prices on hundreds of drugs at rates well over that of inflation, according to a newly released report on drug-pricing data.

The data was made public thanks to a mandate from a California transparency law passed in 2017. Under the law, drug makers are required to report their price increases quarterly. This is the first report from the law and includes data on drugs that had price increases of 16% or more over their January 2017 prices.

The hikes in these cases are to the wholesale acquisition cost, which is the list price for wholesalers—they may not reflect how much patients will pay out of pocket. Still, they can add to overall healthcare spending and drive up the costs of insurance.

Under the 2017 law, drug makers are also required to provide reasons as to why they’re driving up costs.

Between 2017 and the first quarter of 2019, drug makers reported hundreds of price hikes. The report focuses on trends for a little over a thousand drugs. The median price increase overall was 25.8%. Generic drugs, specifically, had higher increases, with a median rise of 37.6%.

But some drugs stood out for having exorbitant hikes, as Kaiser Health News pointed out. A liquid version of generic Prozac (fluoxetine) went from $9 to $69 just in the first quarter of 2019—a 667% increase. The reason given was new production costs.

Likewise, a generic medication for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) called guanfacine, went from about $29 to $87 in the first quarter of 2019, a more than 200% increase.


Guanfacine’s maker, Amneal Pharmaceuticals, also listed production costs as a reason for the hike, as well as “market conditions.”

The data shows that “even at a time when there is a microscope on this industry, [drug makers are] going ahead with drug price increases for hundreds of drugs well above the rate of inflation,” Anthony Wright told KHN. Wright is the executive director of the California advocacy group Health Access.

Wright noted that the new reporting offers progress toward making drug pricing transparent. But critics note that it still doesn’t reveal the true reasons drug makers are raising prices—whether there are drug shortages or changes in competition—and what the changes mean for patients.

The reporting also faces challenges. The drug-maker industry group, PhRMA, has filed a lawsuit to overturn California’s law. And earlier this month, the state of Nevada issued fines on drug makers for failing to comply with its drug pricing law, which passed in 2017.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

The capitalists know that despite it looking bad they still cant hold back the insatiable need for more profit.

The immortal science marches on.

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

"The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"
i work for a pharma company and it’s hilarious to think there’s any other reason for a price hike than “i can get away with it”

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:

Mad Wack posted:

i work for a pharma company and it’s hilarious to think there’s any other reason for a price hike than “i can get away with it”

You would describe this medication as "life-saving?"

Well, what's your life worth to you?

Mmm, I think it's worth more than that!

Let's see!

animist
Aug 28, 2018

Epic High Five posted:

ya lol, I wonder what a more sensibly laid out one would look like

i fixed it

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


I mean, that's the sort of data that calls for a log scale, but really you want to replace the percentile with the actual dollar income

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Mad Wack posted:

i work for a pharma company and it’s hilarious to think there’s any other reason for a price hike than “i can get away with it”

Also many types of medicine like insulin pretty much already are pretty much known from manufacturing point of view, so the big pharma company can't use the old "expensive" R&D costs excuse.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
And the R&D thing had been a lie since at least the 90s.

The industry as a whole spends more on advertising than research

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
the industry as a whole has shuttered their antibiotics research for around a decade now btw

because they aren't as profitable

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

the neoliberal pro-pharma argument is they use the costs from already mature drugs to finance new drugs

alternatively, americans pay high prices so that other countries don't have to

i have heard both of these arguments presented unironically from people parroting propaganda

a lot of different boots for a licker to choose from

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



the research is usually taxpayer funded and then the companies swoop in at the last second to fund one trial or whatever and then they get the exclusive patent to it effectively forever

anymore they don't even swoop in, they just get it

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Antibiotics research stalled a long time ago, around the Carter liberalization efforts.

Antibiotics are REALLY a pain in the rear end, chemically, they're basically not going to be traditionally profitable, so you either need socialism or at least a very mixed economy.

Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe

SardonicTyrant posted:

I have a deep insatiable craving for Brand. I need to engage with Brand or I will die.

https://twitter.com/edzitron/status/1121495012754120704

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

"The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"
a pharma company could easily be just a manufacturing plant and like one administrative dude - they barely do anything. most of the research is publicly funded and the marketing is mostly unnecessary.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Epic High Five posted:

the research is usually taxpayer funded and then the companies swoop in at the last second to fund one trial or whatever and then they get the exclusive patent to it effectively forever

anymore they don't even swoop in, they just get it

pfizer has been trying to drag out their bonerpill patent for so so long and they're supposed to finally lose it this year

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


H.P. Hovercraft posted:

pfizer has been trying to drag out their bonerpill patent for so so long and they're supposed to finally lose it this year

Cheap boners for everyone!

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



H.P. Hovercraft posted:

pfizer has been trying to drag out their bonerpill patent for so so long and they're supposed to finally lose it this year

I'm amazed they aren't just shelving the original and releasing Viagra-HCTZ or whatever, they fuckin love shoving HCTZ anywhere they can to extend patents

I remember a couple years back there was an eye drop about to go generic and they were appealing it because they said there was no standard it could be tested by to ensure it was safe, which uhhhh, raised some questions

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
they're gonna re-patent it for women next and wring another decade outta the same drug

then the commercials are gonna be grandmas obliquely discussing their ladyboners and wide-ons

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Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



H.P. Hovercraft posted:

they're gonna re-patent it for women next and wring another decade outta the same drug

exclusivity is now 20 years + 10 years for every off-label reason to prescribe it

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