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What's the price range for the best of the best/fastest 1TB MicroSD?
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Jul 23, 2021 22:57
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Loading off spinning rust is painful because of how long it takes to read a random block of data. SD cards are more like SSDs even if their sequential read throughput isn't great, so considering the kind of game you can play with a 15W power envelope it should be fine.
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Jul 23, 2021 22:57
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The current common 1TB m.2 2230 drives will potentially not fit because they're too fat. The KBG40ZNS1T02 for example is a fatter form factor than its 512MB counterpart, the KBG40ZNS512G. Incidentally, if you search on ebay for the KBG40ZNS512G, you'll find some at around the $100 mark, but even then you'll notice the underside isn't quite flat if you pay attention to the pics. According to Kioxia's website, the 1TB model is "m.2 2230-S3", while the 512GB model is "m.2 2230-S2". You could conceivably order the 64gb Deck and slap a $100 512GB after-market SSD in there and have the $650 model for $500 (minus the bonuses), but I'd be wary of doing this until the device is in people's hands and we know what is and isn't compatible, and how easy such a swap would be. Yeah I brought that up earlier in the thread, there is a thickness difference between S2 and S3 drives but it's... 0.15mm. We'll see if the Deck is so tightly packed that that's an important distinction. Western Digitals 2230 drives are all the thicker S3 variety too, even the smaller capacity ones, so Valve may still have designed in enough space for S3 drives so they could dual-source SSDs.
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Jul 23, 2021 23:03
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sigher posted:What's the price range for the best of the best/fastest 1TB MicroSD? At a glance, $200+. Also it appears the steam deck is limited to a UHS-I interface, with a theoretical maximum transfer rate of 104MB/s. Compare to ~600MB/s of USB 3.0.
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Jul 23, 2021 23:18
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edit: ^^^ Transfer speeds are not everything. As Antigravitas said, the random read/write performance of SSDs are far superior to HDDs. There are a lot of factors to load times beyond resource load speeds too. It's complicated, and we need Valve to give us more information.sigher posted:What's the price range for the best of the best/fastest 1TB MicroSD? You pay a price premium on 1TB MicroSD cards. They tend to be around 2.25 to 2.5 times the price of their 512GB siblings from the same brand/speed class. It's better to just stick to 512GB cards. The fasted UHS-I versions of those are around $100. Valve hasn't yet stated what the exact set of speed classes the Deck supports, only that it's UHS-I. This is not adequate for making purchasing decisions, so I'd wait until we have more info. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jul 23, 2021 |
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Jul 23, 2021 23:23
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these ign overviews aren't cutting it, send steve gamersnexus a review sample gabe you coward
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Jul 23, 2021 23:29
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I mean, one of the reasons I'm perfectly fine with my Q2 2022 reservation is it allows me to get more information once units are out in the wild and also might avoid some of the bugs inherent to first-run units hopefully. I've never gotten a console at launch, 6-8 months out puts me at right around the fastest I've adopted a new console.
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Jul 24, 2021 00:09
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I mean at the very least we will get a ton more hands on as we get closer to December
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Jul 24, 2021 00:13
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The Gadfly posted:Valve choosing Linux isn't just a 'vendetta' against Microsoft. It's a good business decision, because they won't need to pay for a Windows license on every steam deck they sell. Windows licenses are free to manufacturers if the screen is smaller than nine inches
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Jul 24, 2021 02:59
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flavor.flv posted:Windows licenses are free to manufacturers if the screen is smaller than nine inches True but untying them selves from Windows and all it’s baggage are a good thing. They can make the device much more power efficient and have a better touch interface that’s for sure.
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Jul 24, 2021 03:01
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Wouldn't the better option be an external SSD? People seem to not be concerned with battery life because it'll mostly be plugged in and those are very light and small and 540MB/s is much better than an SSD card. https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-T5-Portable-SSD-MU-PA1T0B/dp/B073H552FJ/ 50g and smaller than the palm of your hand and 1TB for $140
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Jul 24, 2021 03:05
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:Wouldn't the better option be an external SSD? People seem to not be concerned with battery life because it'll mostly be plugged in and those are very light and small and 540MB/s is much better than an SSD card. It has only one USB port, and it's what will be used to charge the device. I don't think connecting it to a hub would allow you to simultaneously charge and transmit data. Even if it would, that's a lot of stuff you're attaching to a handheld device.
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Jul 24, 2021 03:10
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:Wouldn't the better option be an external SSD? People seem to not be concerned with battery life because it'll mostly be plugged in and those are very light and small and 540MB/s is much better than an SSD card. That’s what I want. A brick dangling off my gabegear
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Jul 24, 2021 03:10
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:Wouldn't the better option be an external SSD? People seem to not be concerned with battery life because it'll mostly be plugged in and those are very light and small and 540MB/s is much better than an SSD card. It's only got one port, so you'll need to use some sort of hub/dock to charge and have any connectivity at the same time. Efb
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Jul 24, 2021 03:12
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:It has only one USB port, and it's what will be used to charge the device. I don't think connecting it to a hub would allow you to simultaneously charge and transmit data. Even if it would, that's a lot of stuff you're attaching to a handheld device.
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Jul 24, 2021 03:21
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:At a glance, $200+. Also it appears the steam deck is limited to a UHS-I interface, with a theoretical maximum transfer rate of 104MB/s. Compare to ~600MB/s of USB 3.0. Ooof, what the gently caress. Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:You pay a price premium on 1TB MicroSD cards. They tend to be around 2.25 to 2.5 times the price of their 512GB siblings from the same brand/speed class. It's better to just stick to 512GB cards. The fasted UHS-I versions of those are around $100. Valve hasn't yet stated what the exact set of speed classes the Deck supports, only that it's UHS-I. This is not adequate for making purchasing decisions, so I'd wait until we have more info. Yeah, I'll wait it out then. My current desktop only has 1TB of space and I only tend to have several games on it at a time, so I don't really need that much. 512 internal and 512 SD, I should be fine.
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Jul 24, 2021 03:47
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:It has only one USB port, and it's what will be used to charge the device. I don't think connecting it to a hub would allow you to simultaneously charge and transmit data. Even if it would, that's a lot of stuff you're attaching to a handheld device. Yeah that makes it much less practical because you can't plug and unplug without removing the drive.
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Jul 24, 2021 03:49
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gonna break out the m.2 slot to full pci-e and plug in a 3090 for convenient portable gaming on the go
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Jul 24, 2021 03:57
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I mean, thinking about it, the most sensible (albeit janky) storage option to me is probably just sticking one of these:  onto the back of the Deck with some command strips. It seems kinda dumb, but there's more than enough space for smaller cases and I doubt it'd add much weight. Or you can just, like, only carry 512 gigs of storage with you when you go out, I guess.
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Jul 24, 2021 04:21
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Just glue it to the back of your Steam Deck like that goon that did it to his 3DS.
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Jul 24, 2021 04:28
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I feel like an alien whenever people start talking about storage space because I still see a terabyte and go "wow, that's so much, how could I fill that up"
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Jul 24, 2021 04:29
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This is PC gaming, you're not getting the cut down console version and plenty of AAA titles will take up 100+GB. Right now my biggest "game" is Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and that's at 147GB, yeah, there's a ton of data in it and it's a special case but some other large titles I have are Battlefield 1 at 81GB, Sea of Thieves at 65GB, Control Ultimate Edition at 42GB. I remember Red Dead Redemption 2 and Gears of War 5 also taking up like 120 each or some poo poo.
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Jul 24, 2021 04:40
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I feel like an alien whenever people start talking about storage space because I still see a terabyte and go "wow, that's so much, how could I fill that up" I mean, I kinda get the concern with how big some modern games are, but you can always switch out SD cards with the games preloaded if you're at home or bring them with you if you're traveling, and if you're out...I mean, I just don't really see a situation where I'll need more than 500 gigs worth of games in a single day, really. sigher posted:This is PC gaming, you're not getting the cut down console version and plenty of AAA titles will take up 100+GB. Right now my biggest "game" is Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and that's at 147GB, yeah, there's a ton of data in it and it's a special case but some other large titles I have are Battlefield 1 at 81GB, Sea of Thieves at 65GB, Control Ultimate Edition at 42GB. I remember Red Dead Redemption 2 and Gears of War 5 also taking up like 120 each or some poo poo. Sure, but if it actually works as advertised and loads the games up on screen when you put the SD card in(this is a pretty big if, honestly)then I can't really bring myself to see a huge issue with swapping out cards.
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Jul 24, 2021 04:42
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I think it might just be PC people looking at "their" handheld. With the PC more = better, and that's no different with storage. Like range anxiety but instead of electric cars it's digital storage.
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Jul 24, 2021 05:06
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I don't know if I've ever had more than a terrabyte of PC games installed at any one time, and I have Flight Simulator installed with mods. Ideally, companies release 720p-optimized texture packs or something so you don't have to install 50GB of textures meant for 4K with every game. And Valve does whatever they need to do to support this in an intuitive manner. (The HD Texture Pack DLC some games have is kinda clunky)
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Jul 24, 2021 05:16
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I don't know if I've ever had more than a terrabyte of PC games installed at any one time, and I have Flight Simulator installed with mods. On an actual PC it will make more of a difference because the types of games stored will probably be different as well. I have Dead by daylight, rocket league, cod, battlefield, rainbow, etc. All multiplayer games that adds up. I doubt I will have that same kind of lineup on this device so it won't be as much of a space taker. I get a feeling that will be pretty common. Shammypants fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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Jul 24, 2021 05:25
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I reserved the 512 but TBH I kinda wish I could switch it because I'm content remote playing most bigger things, which works better than you might expect. If its important enough that the latency would bug me I'd probably be playing it on the desktop anyway, for a variety of reasons.
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Jul 24, 2021 05:49
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How we does steam handle having different library folders on the same storage mount point?
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Jul 24, 2021 06:03
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I don't recall seeing it here in the thread and it's worth mentioning: Valve rejiggered something to move forward the 512GB version. So reserving right now puts you at Q2 2022, same as the other two versions, and those people who had an expected order avaliability of Q3 are now seeing Q2.
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Jul 24, 2021 06:11
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:How we does steam handle having different library folders on the same storage mount point?
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Jul 24, 2021 06:16
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Rebel Blob posted:I don't recall seeing it here in the thread and it's worth mentioning: Valve rejiggered something to move forward the 512GB version. So reserving right now puts you at Q2 2022, same as the other two versions, and those people who had an expected order avaliability of Q3 are now seeing Q2. That could potentially just be people canceling reservations, though maybe they managed to step up their production after seeing the demand. edit: for what it's worth, my position hasn't advanced from Q2 (put in my reservation around two and a half hours after it went live). So any queue compression either hasn't been enough to advance me up a quarter (maybe I went from May to April or something), or happened behind my position in the queue. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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Jul 24, 2021 06:50
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:How we does steam handle having different library folders on the same storage mount point? It's fine. But just for perspective, here are some games on my disk right now. Most of those are native and I'm ignoring fs-level compression: e. nvm, see below Antigravitas fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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Jul 24, 2021 07:52
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Rebel Blob posted:I don't recall seeing it here in the thread and it's worth mentioning: Valve rejiggered something to move forward the 512GB version. So reserving right now puts you at Q2 2022, same as the other two versions, and those people who had an expected order avaliability of Q3 are now seeing Q2. I still ain't December god drat it!
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Jul 24, 2021 09:13
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Alright, I did a quick thing. I copied my currently installed Steam library onto a file system with transparent compression (lz4), then compared sizes: Physical size is the size on disk after compression; Logical size is the size as seen by the application.code:Generally speaking, a modern CPU decompresses faster than its storage can read. That means file system level compression speeds things up. (This does not apply to Windows; Windows file system compression is absolute trash) It's interesting how some games (XCOM 2) already compress their game files, but others really don't (Battletech, KSP, Hollow Knight). Transparent compression is really confusing to the end user, but I do wonder if Valve would take advantage of it. Look at some of those ratios. Antigravitas fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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Jul 24, 2021 11:46
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Gutcruncher posted:That’s what I want. A brick dangling off my gabegear I'm sorry if I feel nostalgic for the battery pack in my Sega Game Gear and want it back now.
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Jul 24, 2021 15:02
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Don't worry, the steam deck weighs the same as both of those combined
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Jul 24, 2021 15:20
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Maybe y'all should just not have 25 AAA games installed at the same time if you're concerned about space. get some indie games on there instead i have 36 Steam games installed and 9 demos, and the SteamVR dependencies, and that folder is less than 150GB combined
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Jul 24, 2021 15:22
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The 7th Guest posted:Maybe y'all should just not have 25 AAA games installed at the same time if you're concerned about space. get some indie games on there instead But I won’t be happy until I have Warzone, Red Dead Redemption 2, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Hitman 2, Destiny 2 and Quantum Break on my steam deck at once 
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Jul 24, 2021 15:28
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Warzone 2100 is only a few gigs anyway 
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Jul 24, 2021 15:40
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The 7th Guest posted:Maybe y'all should just not have 25 AAA games installed at the same time if you're concerned about space. get some indie games on there instead I need my 6 TB game collection on me at all times in case anyone tries to challenge my status as a Gamer
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