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DTurtle
Apr 10, 2011


Next week Wednesday.

[Edit] My god what a snipe...

"Some Austrian news site posted:

EMA-Zulassung für 5- bis 12-Jährige kommt am 24. November

Bei der Pressekonferenz nach dem Corona-Gipfel von Regierung und Ländern kündigte Gesundheitsminister Wolfgang Mückstein (Grüne) an, dass die Europäische Arzneimittel-Agentur die Pfizer-Impfung für Unter-12-Jährige am Mittwoch, den 24. November, zulassen wird.

DTurtle fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Nov 17, 2021

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aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


I don't think there's that much evidence that Covid is a huge problem for kids at all? I was sorta on the just durchseuch them instead of vaxing them train.

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
Well they don’t die as much but they still transmit and then there’s long Covid which is a big unknown. I guess, that sort of thing.

Loki Kunti
Mar 31, 2010
Found my post again - posted in the wrong thread:

On children and Corona:
https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-clinical-manifestations-and-diagnosis-in-children

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34049958/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00124-3/fulltext

So, there is as expected a low mortality in children (at least in societies with good health systems) but there is a measurable, significant percentage of children which have to be hospitalized and again a significant percentage which has long consequences from an infection.
That means that by infecting ALL THE CHILDREN (this is what is basically happening in some regions at the moment - 7-Tages-Inzidenzen >2,5 % bei den Altersgruppen <15 Jahre), we are creating over time thousands cases of children hospitalized and suffering from Covid.
And, not to forget: Not only the loving adults have risk groups - there are children with cancer, children with asthma, children who are immuno-compromised, ...
I find it cynical to put all the children in one group and say: yeah, overall they are going to be fine, while at the same time dividing the general population in risk groups.

For me, this is irresponsible und fast unerträglich.

Loki Kunti fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Nov 17, 2021

Loki Kunti
Mar 31, 2010
Also:

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1448739127286013959

https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1435779145510834177

https://mobile.twitter.com/drericding/status/1403164915989422087

Loki Kunti
Mar 31, 2010
Aber die Wirtschaft!

Wengy
Feb 6, 2008

Man I shouldn’t have checked the thread straight after waking up. How am I going to bring my Kind to Kita tomorrow?

Loki Kunti
Mar 31, 2010
I'm sorry.
Ich habe auch keine Lösung.
But this ignoring, Abwiegeln, closing-eyes-for-6-months-until-the-evidence-has-been-also-been-found-here-and-cannot-be-ignored-any-longer from a lot of people around me is fressing mich auf.
(And no, I am not sitting 100 % at home (work, hobbies, ...))

KonvexKonkav
Mar 5, 2014

Eric Crackl-Ping doing his thing again.

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny

KonvexKonkav posted:

Eric Crackl-Ping cracking his ping again.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Please do not get your medical information – or any information at all – from random twitter dipshits.

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Wo bleibt denn da der Spaß?

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
Honestly doomscrolling is half the fun this apocalypse round

https://twitter.com/nell781/status/1460874161233014785?s=21

Loki Kunti
Mar 31, 2010

Antigravitas posted:

Please do not get your medical information – or any information at all – from random twitter dipshits.


Hahahahaha.




You dipshit.

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem
I am getting my Covid advice exclusively from this Pfaden.

I’ve been washing my groceries for two years now. Everything tastes like Sagrotan. Send help!🤢

pidan
Nov 6, 2012


Tarquinn posted:

I am getting my Covid advice exclusively from this Pfaden.

I’ve been washing my groceries for two years now. Everything tastes like Sagrotan. Send help!🤢

If you can still taste it :colbert: that means it's working

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Tarquinn posted:

Everything tastes like Sagrotan. Send help!🤢

Sounds like you are having a stroke or brain tumor. Pretty hopeless, I would just give up. Rip

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny

Tarquinn posted:

I am getting my Covid advice exclusively from this Pfaden.

I’ve been washing my groceries for two years now. Everything tastes like Sagrotan. Send help!🤢

Lmao that video from the NYC medic which seemed very reasonable at the time. Wasn’t the nuttiest to come out of this mess lol

https://twitter.com/gebbigibson/status/1460865859631599617?s=21

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem

GABA ghoul posted:

Sounds like you are having a stroke or brain tumor. Pretty hopeless, I would just give up. Rip

drat, now I regret getting my medical advice from here, but will still start moving towards the nearest cemetery.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

I have run out of Sagrotan and bought new Sagrotan but now have of course no way to wash it please give advice

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
You can tell this is a D&D thread by people still thinking formite transmission is the one you have to worry about.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Loki Kunti posted:

Found my post again - posted in the wrong thread:

On children and Corona:
https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-clinical-manifestations-and-diagnosis-in-children

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34049958/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00124-3/fulltext

So, there is as expected a low mortality in children (at least in societies with good health systems) but there is a measurable, significant percentage of children which have to be hospitalized and again a significant percentage which has long consequences from an infection.
That means that by infecting ALL THE CHILDREN (this is what is basically happening in some regions at the moment - 7-Tages-Inzidenzen >2,5 % bei den Altersgruppen <15 Jahre), we are creating over time thousands cases of children hospitalized and suffering from Covid.
And, not to forget: Not only the loving adults have risk groups - there are children with cancer, children with asthma, children who are immuno-compromised, ...
I find it cynical to put all the children in one group and say: yeah, overall they are going to be fine, while at the same time dividing the general population in risk groups.

For me, this is irresponsible und fast unerträglich.

Please actually click that Lancet link and process what that article says, it should help with the ertraging

E: are you taking the piss? From your PubMed link:

quote:

Hospitalization was observed in 0.3% to 1.3% of the cohort diagnosed with COVID-19, with undetectable (n < 5 per database) 30-day fatality.

aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Nov 17, 2021

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

You're telling me, I keep wondering why washing hands is even still a thing if it's all about the aerosols anyway.

in relation to Covid, not like in general after going to the loo or touching a leper or whatever

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

GABA ghoul posted:

I'm not a joke specialist, but I don't think people were serious when they suggested shooting anti-vaxxer or carpet bombing with vaccine syringes from WW2 planes.

Sure, sure. I'm more talking about irl things overheard, which while also probably not entirely serious were markedly different from how the same people used to talk.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


If people were having lols ironically demanding to shoot people you identify with you guys would be having conniptions

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Which they demonstrably and not even all that ironically are, as well

Loki Kunti
Mar 31, 2010

aphid_licker posted:

Please actually click that Lancet link and process what that article says, it should help with the ertraging

E: are you taking the piss? From your PubMed link:

With 10.74 million children in Germany and 1 % hospitalized and the assumption that they all get it (could you argue otherwise), that is 100,000 children in the hospital over the pandemic times. That are insane numbers for children.

So, not taking the piss.

I'm out of the thread with Covid stuff. Have fun and live your lifes.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

My Lovely Horse posted:

You're telling me, I keep wondering why washing hands is even still a thing if it's all about the aerosols anyway.

in relation to Covid, not like in general after going to the loo or touching a leper or whatever

It's an extremely low-effort measure that generally works well. Relatedly, Influenza is basically gone. (But RSV is apparently taking over…)

Loki Kunti posted:

Hahahahaha.




You dipshit.

Just to reiterate: Do not get your medical information (or any other) from Facebook or Twitter. hth.

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔
Bizarre that one would still argue that people not dying or in "small enough numbers" or whatever is the goal to strive for, instead of making sure that there's as little infections as possible to prevent long-term issues, hospitalizations etc

Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer
Yay! Waiting on someone's PCR test result to know if I need to go get tested. Fucksake...

niethan
Nov 22, 2005

Don't be scared, homie!

My Lovely Horse posted:

You're telling me, I keep wondering why washing hands is even still a thing if it's all about the aerosols anyway.

Cargo Cult Hygiene

pidan
Nov 6, 2012


My Lovely Horse posted:

You're telling me, I keep wondering why washing hands is even still a thing if it's all about the aerosols anyway.

in relation to Covid, not like in general after going to the loo or touching a leper or whatever

I mean, it can't hurt, and strictly speaking by not getting influenza or salmonella or whatever you're also doing your part to keep hospitals empty.

There have been a few famous cases of covid fomite transmission, but it's so rare that even C-Spam doesn't worry much about it.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

There is that, I suppose.

In the meantime, and I'm sure you're gonna love this, our library now is compelled by the university to implement a 3G access policy, while receiving none (0) of the personnel that have been specially trained to do 3G checks and having been more or less told to just think of something.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
It continues to amaze me that my university is "well" "organised" compared to some others in the country.

3G is easy, you do the 2G via your e-learning platform and the other G by telling people off.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

niethan posted:

Cargo Cult Hygiene

All hygiene is a cargo cult. The human body is designed by evolution to keep itself as clean as needed. You don't have to do anything

Wengy
Feb 6, 2008

Once again it’s painfully obvious who the (non-)childhavers itt are. Yes, children‘s hospitals aren’t overburdened with Covid cases (or MISC/PIMS cases), but they’re absolutely at the Anschlag with RSV, Grippesaison hasn’t even started yet (my kid is geimpft, thank God), and there’s all sorts of other nasty poo poo going around. If we just let Covid go hog wild on our kids like Michael Jackson at a Kita, the Belegschaft at the Kinderkliniken will be in a world of poo poo. Case in point: A few weeks ago I had to head to the Notaufnahme because my daughter was dehydrated - the cause: an utterly banal Magen-Darm-Infektion, but it nevertheless necessitated a loving Magensonde and a six-hour stay at an already at-capacity Kinderklinik. It doesn’t take much for a child to be in need of actual hospital-level interventions. So let’s just please not infect the kids with this poo poo, thanks.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
As far as I can tell the decision has already been made to have everything go hog-wild in children. Perhaps it wasn't an active decision, but nobody in government has done anything to help. Inzidenz is sky-high in children and it's bleeding into older age groups for extremely obvious reasons.

Tin Tim
Jun 4, 2012

Live by the pun - Die by the pun

Antigravitas posted:

It continues to amaze me that my university is "well" "organised" compared to some others in the country.
Same tbh. We have gone back to as much Präsenz as possible and the "3G Festival" system actually worked out despite what the name might make you think. You arrive on the campus and go to one of several points to show your proof of Impfung or a fresh test result along with your Ausweis and get a colored Bändchen for the day. Every Veranstaltung checks the Bändchen right at the start and you also have to show it for entering the library and other things. There's more things like having to sign up for seats at the Mensa in advance, hand sanitizer at every entrance and floor and so on but as far as I can tell it worked so far. The only cases that are known came from a few parties during the Ersti-Woche which isn't surprising tbh. I'm sure there's some Dunkelziffer but that's how things are atm. Though there is lots of chatter about how we're probably not going to be together after the winter so wtf do I know

On the other hand, today I got this message in the group for the Klassenteam I'm currently working with "Hallo, leider muss ich euch sagen, dass mittlerweile 4 Klassen in Quarantäne sind..."

quote:

Es ist scheisse, was zum Teufel

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
Mit dem Angriff Steiners wird das alles in Ordnung kommen.

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My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Our own students is one thing but we get such a lot of guests every day.

Maybe we can entrance check just the guests

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