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Groovelord Neato posted:could these people even define "white culture"? i'm a white guy and i can't think of a specific white culture. there's irish culture. or german culture. or english culture. but there's no white culture i can think of that needs preserving or defending. i know it's a dogwhistle but what would they say if you said "what's white culture?" would they just point out things that more properly go in the categories i mentioned? it's all very confusing. Usually all the "good stuff". European philosophy, science, art, culture, etc. Most of them are also too stupid to realize the massive contribution Jews and Slavs (and Medieval Arabs) have made to that science and culture. Hence the Greek/Roman statues many of them have in their profile pics.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Are they fat? Do they look like they're cosplaying? Do they start crying and take off their "uniform" when confronted with counter protesters? These are the 4channers. There's a story of the 4channer who got ran out of a Nazi rally at gunpoint when they started trying to sell Pepe merch and I wish I could find it now. Even the hardcore Nazis don't like them because of how bad they make them look. Which is impressive considering they're loving Nazis and look bad by default.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:49
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Fans posted:There's a story of the 4channer who got ran out of an actual nazi rally at gunpoint when they started trying to sell Pepe merch and I wish I could find it now. Even the actual nazis don't like them because of how bad they make them look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXRbIdaLD4Q
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Sargon just lost his parachute twitter account. I guess when you're banned from twitter they don't let you make a new account or use a backup.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:52
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Regarde Aduck posted:The anime/nazi thing is because there's more than one type of nazi. You have your actual driven white supremacists who can't loving stand anime or weebs. But then you have your 4channers who are nazi's as a flavour of nihilism. They know their lives are hosed and can't find a way out and just want to sow chaos. This is most of the keksters. They are filled with hate, being a nazi is a good a way as any to express this. And, like furries, they get free "friends" by virtue of being in a group. They have nothing to lose. No friends to alienate. Just a lot of hatred at normies/the jew controlled world. Nazis come in all stripes. Whether it's literal or figurative, they're all missing a chin: they're unexceptional people for whom their only advantage is their race, and they don't want that privilege to go away. If they got their ethnostate of a coast-to-coast Connecticut, they would eat eachother once they realise that since everyone's the same, nobody's special any more.
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sargon made a video about how nazis are.... bad?? let's see what the fans are saying 
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Lovechop posted:sargon made a video about how nazis are.... bad?? Also the book he's quoting draws heavy parallels between Kant and Hitler. You know noted classical liberal Kant.
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Aug 23, 2017 09:19
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 this dude poured oil on his dick and put a banana in his rear end in a top hat
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Lovechop posted:sargon made a video about how nazis are.... bad?? sargon looks like kevin smith but somehow he's even less bearable
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landgrabber posted:sargon looks like kevin smith but somehow he's even less bearable he also somehow looks even older than him
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Lovechop posted:sargon made a video about how nazis are.... bad?? My favorite is the poster who as their only point says that the core group of Rand cultists were all Jews.
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landgrabber posted:sargon looks like kevin smith but somehow he's even less bearable Kevin Smith at least has good stories and seems like he'd be fun to hang out with and smoke weed. Can't say the same about Carl. Not surprising since his entire career is just him complaining about something.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Usually all the "good stuff". European philosophy, science, art, culture, etc. Most of them are also too stupid to realize the massive contribution Jews and Slavs (and Medieval Arabs) have made to that science and culture. but there is no pan-european culture!! that'd be greek culture! that'd be roman culture!
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Aug 23, 2017 17:23
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soccer and hooliganism are pan-european culture
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Groovelord Neato posted:but there is no pan-european culture!! that'd be greek culture! that'd be roman culture! I know. See the "too stupid to realize part". 
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JFairfax posted:soccer and hooliganism are pan-european culture enjoyment of mr bean and complaining about the weather is pan-european culture
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Rugoberta Munchu posted:The Neo-Nazi fascination with video games and anime is so weird to me since old school Nazis hated stuff that was modern and not European. Neo-Nazis idolizing Duke Nukem seems fitting since it's a hypermasculine relic from decades past whose most recent incarnation sucks. Also fashwave seems pointless since it's indistinguishable from regular mall music without knowing who made it. Nice cameo by the dude from They Live since misinterpreting movies is common with the alt-right crowd. The best horeshoe theory pic I saw was where both extreme left and extreme right are deeply into anime and have anime avatars
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Dreylad posted:The best horeshoe theory pic I saw was where both extreme left and extreme right are deeply into anime and have anime avatars this checks out
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Aug 23, 2017 17:57
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Dreylad posted:The best horeshoe theory pic I saw was where both extreme left and extreme right are deeply into anime and have anime avatars ...they're not wrong
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Aug 23, 2017 18:47
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Goon Danton posted:I was told by an anarchist that during the Russian Revolution, the (anarcho-communist) Free Territory was one of only like two factions not to do some pogrom-ing on the side, and the only one to actually punish people for doing pogroms. I admit though, it wasn't an unbiased source, and I have no citations. Yeah, they are lying. Makhno's followers in the Free Territory engaged in pogroms.
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Aug 23, 2017 19:01
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LunarShadow posted:Yeah, they are lying. Makhno's followers in the Free Territory engaged in pogroms. Please don't just state contentious historical issues as facts. wikipedia posted:Allegations of antisemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestor_Makhno#Allegations_of_antisemitism
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Regarde Aduck posted:The anime/nazi thing is because there's more than one type of nazi. You have your actual driven white supremacists who can't loving stand anime or weebs. But then you have your 4channers who are nazi's as a flavour of nihilism. They know their lives are hosed and can't find a way out and just want to sow chaos. This is most of the keksters. They are filled with hate, being a nazi is a good a way as any to express this. And, like furries, they get free "friends" by virtue of being in a group. They have nothing to lose. No friends to alienate. Just a lot of hatred at normies/the jew controlled world. There are quite a few genuine Nazi sympathizers and outright activists that are still into anime. It's usually 4channers and other internet-radicalized people, yes, but ones that have grown out of the "heh, triggered liberals?!" phase. It's more than a bit confusing, but once you get past the fact that anime and manga are from a different culture/race, it sort of makes sense that a fascist would be alright with it. Most anime has at least moderately-traditionalist undertones - characters rarely rock the boat too much, gender roles are rarely challenged, homosexuality is still seen as rather taboo, and there's little in the way of social commentary. Exceptions, of course, exist, but compare that to Western media, especially cartoons, and it's night-and-day. If Nazis are able to either admit that Japan is a "one of the good ones" nation, or they at least are able to ignore the fact that the characters aren't white, then anime as a medium is actually pretty non-challenging to a bigoted ideology. It's not that it's bigoted ITSELF, per se - although exceptions, unfortunately, exist - but anime doesn't really do much to challenge traditionalist thought. Western media, on the other hand, has spent the last few decades at least questioning the social order - slowly and awkwardly, yes, but they've at least tried. A fascist being really into Avatar: The Last Airbender would be ridiculous, since part of the message of the show is that hating people of different cultures is wrong and, y'know, genocide is bad. A fascist being really into Bleach, which is about, I dunno, swords or something? Yeah I could see that.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:There are quite a few genuine Nazi sympathizers and outright activists that are still into anime. It's usually 4channers and other internet-radicalized people, yes, but ones that have grown out of the "heh, triggered liberals?!" phase. Lots of anime exists to pander to young male boners (harem, ecchi, etc). It's pretty MRA-inspired by many standards, and with the odd exception portrays a young dude who is a loser or nobody (the author) getting a lot of fawning attention from very good-looking women who have nothing better to do all day than revolve around the relative non-entity. Japanese archetypes of female personality are also all relatively crude (tsundere isn't a loving thing, guys) and focus on their relationships with men instead of any uniquely individual desires or interests. MRAs often see anime women as an (insane) feminine ideal. For me, Manga/Anime has had a weird transformation. When I started reading/watching it in the late 90's and early 00's, it seemed like a more progressive genre willing to explore adult situations, female empowerment (of sorts), different sexualities (when I was a teen I didn't realize that hot lesbians didn't count) and subject matters that seemed outside of the western norm. In 2017 it seems like the exact opposite, with western cartoons/comics pushing the boundaries (even stuff like Steven Universe is super transgressive in many ways), while Anime/Manga languishes in a sludge of ancient and lovely stereotypes of fanservice, titninjas and tired AF tropes.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Lots of anime exists to pander to young male boners (harem, ecchi, etc). It's pretty MRA-inspired by many standards, and with the odd exception portrays a young dude who is a loser or nobody (the author) getting a lot of fawning attention from very good-looking women who have nothing better to do all day than revolve around the relative non-entity. Japanese archetypes of female personality are also all relatively crude (tsundere isn't a loving thing, guys) and focus on their relationships with men instead of any uniquely individual desires or interests. MRAs often see anime women as an (insane) feminine ideal. Take what I say with a grain of salt because I'm not terribly into anime and mostly I'm into manga as part of being into comics in general rather than being plugged into that fandom, but from what I understand the bottom fell out of the market so they have to pander more to the kind of weirdos who buy body pillows. There's also a selection bias when it comes to what gets officially translated because many American anime fans are like that too. Japan is also going through a right wing nationalist phase like America, look at the Abe government. I know there's stuff still being made that's not poo poo but you'd have to ask someone else what it is, the last anime I watched was an episode of Dragon Ball Super and I haven't read anything newer than Tezuka reprints for awhile.
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JFairfax posted:like nazis anime should not be tolerated Nah, I just watched the Castlevania and Little Witch Academy series' on Netflix (also season 2 of Attack on Titan). Both were good. Some of the best media I've consumed was Anime/Mange (Grave of the Fireflies, GITS, Appleseed, Akira, almost anything by Junji Ito). Japan doesn't really have a feminist movement yet, sadly, which is where I think a lot of cultural problems stem from.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Japan doesn't really have a feminist movement yet, sadly, which is where I think a lot of cultural problems stem from. I don't think this is true, it's just different.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Please don't just state contentious historical issues as facts. There is a reason I said his followers, as it did occur against his wishes. It was /why/ he had to come out and make proclamations against doing it. I was just pointing out that it was a lie that the Free Territory was the only one to not commit pogroms, when in fact it did occur. quote:The numerous orders and appeals of Makhno against pogroms were not issued merely for appearances. It will be clear from the above that any incidents (we shall refer to a few later) in the Makhnovschyna took place against Makhno's own strong beliefs, inclinations, and orders. (This is also just a really good article in general and delves into the nuance and complexity of the issue) Edit: I will cop to missing where they said the only one to punish it. Eastern Europe, and the Russian Rev/Civil War in particular, is my field of study, which you can imagine is filled with political bias in every direction. LunarShadow fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Japan doesn't really have a feminist movement yet, sadly, which is where I think a lot of cultural problems stem from. Japan doesn't have the same kind of feminist movement as America, this doesn't mean it's non-existent.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Nah, I just watched the Castlevania and Little Witch Academy series' on Netflix (also season 2 of Attack on Titan). Both were good. Some of the best media I've consumed was Anime/Mange (Grave of the Fireflies, GITS, Appleseed, Akira, almost anything by Junji Ito). Japan doesn't really have a feminist movement yet, sadly, which is where I think a lot of cultural problems stem from. get thee to the gulag
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Pembroke Fuse posted:For me, Manga/Anime has had a weird transformation. When I started reading/watching it in the late 90's and early 00's, it seemed like a more progressive genre willing to explore adult situations, female empowerment (of sorts), different sexualities (when I was a teen I didn't realize that hot lesbians didn't count) and subject matters that seemed outside of the western norm. In 2017 it seems like the exact opposite, with western cartoons/comics pushing the boundaries (even stuff like Steven Universe is super transgressive in many ways), while Anime/Manga languishes in a sludge of ancient and lovely stereotypes of fanservice, titninjas and tired AF tropes. A number of western cartoons were boundary-pushing and transgressive in the 90s as well, at least on TV. Looking back, it's surprising things like Rocko's Modern Life or Ren and Stimpy were ever allowed to exist by the studio heads.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Japan doesn't have the same kind of feminist movement as America, this doesn't mean it's non-existent. japan only made pedophilia illegal like last year or something didnt it? e/ actually she's a 5000 year old demon in the body of an 8 year old
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JFairfax posted:japan only made pedophilia illegal like last year or something didnt it? No, I think Japan's laws against that were at the prefecture level so people assumed they didn't have any. Or something like that.
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Lightning Lord posted:Take what I say with a grain of salt because I'm not terribly into anime and mostly I'm into manga as part of being into comics in general rather than being plugged into that fandom, but from what I understand the bottom fell out of the market so they have to pander more to the kind of weirdos who buy body pillows. There's also a selection bias when it comes to what gets officially translated because many American anime fans are like that too. Japan is also going through a right wing nationalist phase like America, look at the Abe government. Yeah, I'm aware the market bottomed out and the culture has shifted right, but I remember a ton of these lovely tropes when anime was still hot: Sailor Moon, Oh My Goddess, DBZ, Ranma 1/2, Kenshin and many, many others. Most weren't interested in challenging any of the common tropes. If you look at most season lineups, even the shows that don't get translated all sound like fanservice fapbait. Dragon Ball Super has been really bad and I basically can't watch it anymore.
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Lightning Lord posted:No, I think Japan's laws against that were at the prefecture level so people assumed they didn't have any. Or something like that. that and all the child rape anime + manga
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Oh god I am sorry for sparking Anime Chat please can we go back to talking about how Sargon's beard makes him look like a cartoon badger
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given tehy have a child's view of sex + women it's no surprise the alt-right love animes + they also love rape. and Japan actually does have pedigree when it comes to allying with Nazis so it's kinda understandable from a historical perspective as well
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Japan doesn't have the same kind of feminist movement as America, this doesn't mean it's non-existent. Ok... it's not particularly notable and does not seem to have affected popular media strongly. I don't doubt that it exists, however I'm not sure where it's making an impact given the abysmal employment figures for women in high-level positions and other similar metrics.
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Goon Danton posted:A number of western cartoons were boundary-pushing and transgressive in the 90s as well, at least on TV. Looking back, it's surprising things like Rocko's Modern Life or Ren and Stimpy were ever allowed to exist by the studio heads. Rocko's Modern Life, Duckman and similar cartoons were great, I just don't think I managed to catch most of them at the time.
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