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The Bloop posted:Data: I am from .... South America KIRK: My friend is obviously Chinese. I see you've noticed the ears. They're actually easy to explain.
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The Bloop posted:Guess remans weren't real after all Follow back pro reman
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Feb 21, 2020 13:51
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Moving from DS9 to TNG, I'm kinda surprised by how funny it is. When I saw snippets as a kid TNG always seemed very serious and po-faced. There's definitely an element of that, but Picard is surprisingly playful at times. Best gag is when his brother is needling him about synthahol being lovely and awful to drink and PIcard hits back with "Nonsense, I find it deepens one's appreciation for the real thing quite admirably" Also when everyone's off-duty they have these baggy shirts that look like something Van Gogh would wear, and they look comfy as hell.
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Feb 21, 2020 16:05
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Picard is surprisingly playful at times. 
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Feb 21, 2020 16:22
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Have you ever gotten high.... on time????
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Feb 21, 2020 18:45
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Case in point - I've just go to S4E9, where Wesley is late answering a summons, and Picard gives him a great big chewing out in the middle of the bridge just so he can slip in a bit about how Wes got accepted into the Academy. I really like those moments, where Picard is deploying all the formality and hierarchy of Starfleet, but with loads of friendly and jovial subtext. Like in S1 when Geordi is commanding the ship while Riker and Picard are loving about on the planet of automated kill-bot salesmen: quote:"Relinquishing command, Captain." It's just wonderful. He's making a friendly jibe about Geordi splitting up the ship, but also signalling respect and trust in Geordi's performance. DS9 never quite managed to thread that needle with Sisko - he was either being very earnest, or kind of an rear end in a top hat.
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Feb 21, 2020 21:21
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Case in point - I've just go to S4E9, where Wesley is late answering a summons, and Picard gives him a great big chewing out in the middle of the bridge just so he can slip in a bit about how Wes got accepted into the Academy. There were a lot of those, especially early on. I like the scene at the end of Samaritan Snare when the entire bridge claps as Picard steps out of the turbolift and he responds with a very early-Picard "I beg your pardon!". I like to think that secretly, he was happy that his crew appreciated him enough to be glad he was back in command, but he couldn't drop his captain's bearing to show it.
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Feb 21, 2020 22:26
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Strom Cuzewon posted:DS9 never quite managed to thread that needle with Sisko - he was either being very earnest, or kind of an rear end in a top hat. That's interesting, I felt the opposite when I watched DS9. Sisko had that "shouting with a twinkle in his eye" vibe down for me. I wonder if it's to do with what you saw first? I watched DS9 second, but then I also haven't gone through TNG for a long time, so I may just not really remember to compare.
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Feb 22, 2020 03:10
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Sisko wasn’t anyone’s friend, he was their commanding officer first and foremost. That’s what made him a better leader than Picard. He had fun little asides with his subordinates when it was appropriate, but he wasn’t their babysitter or their father figure. That’s also why Worf is so much better under Sisko.
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Feb 22, 2020 03:14
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TBH I don't think Sisko is well-characterized overall which leads to a lot of different reads as people try to consolidate a clear vision for the character. Sometimes Picard is a butthole but you get his deal very easily. Similarly, Kirk is a beautiful, kind, and intelligent man and I want to touch his face
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Feb 22, 2020 03:19
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Pick posted:Kirk is a beautiful, kind, and intelligent man and I want to touch his face It glistens
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Feb 22, 2020 03:44
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sisko wasn’t anyone’s friend, he was their commanding officer first and foremost. That’s what made him a better leader than Picard. He had fun little asides with his subordinates when it was appropriate, but he wasn’t their babysitter or their father figure. This boils down to "Which Captain Was Better" chat, but I don't think Sisko was a better leader. In fact I would say he was an outright worse leader in a lot of respects: He wasn't as smart, had values and morality almost as flexible as Janeways and often butted heads with people when he didn't have to, just to maintain his reputation as a hardass (which always made him come off as weaker, to me). On the other hand, Sisko wasn't a protagonist/leader for a Star Trek show. He was a protagonist for a series about war and its consequences with Star Trek stuff in it, and in that role he, like most of the characters in the show, were perfectly crafted for the role. A brawler who knew what was needed to keep his station running and to whom people could probably relate. And I am also fairly sure he knew how to cook better than anyone in Starfleet to that date.
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Feb 22, 2020 04:09
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Sisko was better at dissembling than any of the other captains.
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Feb 22, 2020 04:11
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Worf arguably committed treason while under Sisko's command Picard wouldn't have let that Risa poo poo fly
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Feb 22, 2020 04:16
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FlamingLiberal posted:Worf arguably committed treason while under Sisko's command Unless it was Data, then Picard would let it fly without even a slap on the wrist like when Data hijacked the entire ship and endangered the life of a poisoned child.
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Feb 22, 2020 04:35
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Every Starfleet officer gets a couple of freebies for going bugfuck insane and committing capital crimes
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Feb 22, 2020 04:39
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FlamingLiberal posted:Worf arguably committed treason while under Sisko's command As if anything could stop Worf... other than a newly discovered strong fighting guy, of course. Or a barrel.
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Feb 22, 2020 04:48
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evilmiera posted:And I am also fairly sure he knew how to cook better than anyone in Starfleet to that date. How quickly we forget Riker's 'omelette'.
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Feb 22, 2020 04:49
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Nessus posted:To be fair doesn't Sisko basically say "well you're gonna skate but you can kiss any career growth goodbye"? That was the time he abandoned a vital mission because Jadzia got hurt.
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Feb 22, 2020 04:53
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I think everyone agrees that was a really weird episode and we don't know why it was okay for Worf to decide to be a terrorist for a few hours and then go back to work. And yeah by the end of DS9 Worf has used up his rope with Starfleet and is never going to advance beyond Commander.
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Feb 22, 2020 04:59
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Arglebargle III posted:I think everyone agrees that was a really weird episode and we don't know why it was okay for Worf to decide to be a terrorist for a few hours and then go back to work.
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Feb 22, 2020 05:04
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Hey you guys know that runabout rear sleeping/seating area that had a set in that one episode of TNG but was never seen again all through DS9's run? The reason you never saw that set on DS9 is that it is became the conference room on Voyager. Amazon Prime's X-Ray feature is a little obsessive for TNG.
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Feb 22, 2020 05:30
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Arglebargle III posted:Hey you guys know that runabout rear sleeping/seating area that had a set in that one episode of TNG but was never seen again all through DS9's run? The reason you never saw that set on DS9 is that it is became the conference room on Voyager. A set specifically made for a key DS9 location stolen for Voyager is pretty much the most immediately post-TNG Star Trek thing I could think of.
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Feb 22, 2020 06:19
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At the end of TNG, it's shown that Picard will still have tabs on all his former crewmembers and can easily seek out all of them if he needs to, even long after retirement. At the end of DS9, Sisko fucks off to another plane of existence leaving no forwarding address to any of his crew or even his wife and son, never to be seen again. This typifies their relationships with other people. It was weird that there were multiple shuttles of different sizes and Geordi got an extra-small one specially made for being kidnapped by Romulans.
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Feb 22, 2020 06:22
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Angry Salami posted:How quickly we forget Riker's 'omelette'. Worf couldn’t get enough of that ‘Owon egg omelette.
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Feb 22, 2020 06:26
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Worf also loved the Cardassian replicator food when they visited DS9. Maybe that's why he volunteered to stay?
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Feb 22, 2020 06:36
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Arglebargle III posted:Hey you guys know that runabout rear sleeping/seating area that had a set in that one episode of TNG but was never seen again all through DS9's run? The reason you never saw that set on DS9 is that it is became the conference room on Voyager. Is that in that episode where Picard makes the smiley face on the warp core breach?
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Feb 22, 2020 08:05
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So I've been expanding my consciousness tonight, and because I like Star Trek, I got to thinking about drugs in Star Trek. Roddenberry enjoyed expanding his consciousness (though I think it started contracting once he fell into booze and coke), so what's the deal with that ep where Tasha tells Wesley that drugs are bad, mmm'k? That was s01, right? Wasn't he still in pretty much total control over the show for the whole first season at least?
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Feb 22, 2020 10:24
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Hipster_Doofus posted:So I've been expanding my consciousness tonight, and because I like Star Trek, I got to thinking about drugs in Star Trek. Roddenberry enjoyed expanding his consciousness (though I think it started contracting once he fell into booze and coke), so what's the deal with that ep where Tasha tells Wesley that drugs are bad, mmm'k? That was s01, right? Wasn't he still in pretty much total control over the show for the whole first season at least? Gene had a lot of swing, but portraying drugs in a positive light on american TV in 1987? A man can only get away with so much
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mehall posted:Gene had a lot of swing, but portraying drugs in a positive light on american TV in 1987? Well of course, but did he actually endorse it or just sit that meeting out, or...? I suppose it would also have looked bad to say, like, hey let's just not portray drugs at all. It least they didn't make that cowboy dude in The Neutral Zone look like a total loser. They made him pretty cool, in fact.
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Feb 22, 2020 11:26
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I've watched a few episodes of TNG and so far my favourite bit was when worf charged some napoleon era soldiers, gets stabbed, and then the kid goes to help worf while completely ignoring the soldiers and gets bayoneted in the back.
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Feb 22, 2020 11:57
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CODChimera posted:I've watched a few episodes of TNG and so far my favourite bit was when worf charged some napoleon era soldiers, gets stabbed, and then the kid goes to help worf while completely ignoring the soldiers and gets bayoneted in the back. Watch more TNG, you'll come to treasure that moment.
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Feb 22, 2020 12:05
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Angry Salami posted:How quickly we forget Riker's 'omelette'. Get me in touch with whoever made all that Klingon food Riker had before he went on that exchange program. It all looked delicious. Mostly since a lot of it was just Earth foods prepared in weird ways, like chicken fingers with the middle claw chopped off and dyed with sauce.
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Feb 22, 2020 13:08
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FlamingLiberal posted:Worf arguably committed treason while under Sisko's command Picard: Commander, what happened on Risa... Worf: Sir, I must explain Picard: Stays on Risa (winks) Picard: You know the prime directive, but this is directive zero. The unwritten directive
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Feb 22, 2020 13:33
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On the topic of Worf getting away with poo poo, remember when he quit Starfleet to fight in a Klingon civil war and they had a big farewell ceremony where everyone lined up, and Picard said he could never rejoin? Then they let him rejoin the next episode.
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Feb 22, 2020 14:09
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Worf was a pioneer in combining terrorism and tourism. Tourrorism.
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Feb 22, 2020 14:28
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Is Worf even still with Starfleet if he's now the Federation ambassador to the Klingons? Edit: Also I thought the reason that nothing happens for what he did on Risa was because they didn't press charges being all "whatever gets your jollies off  ".
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Feb 22, 2020 14:36
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EvilTaytoMan posted:Is Worf even still with Starfleet if he's now the Federation ambassador to the Klingons? Someone in the Picard thread said that according to the Picard show prequel comics he’s Captain of the Enterprise now.
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Feb 22, 2020 14:50
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marktheando posted:Someone in the Picard thread said that according to the Picard show prequel comics he’s Captain of the Enterprise now.
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Worf just followed the old British Tradition of leaving the service for a few years to be a higher rank in another nation/star empire's service. Once you get back your old service would maybe put you back into line for promotion if you covered yourself in enough glory.
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