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Age of Ultron may be bad in parts, but the intro sequence at the winter base is pretty cool. It’s hard to go more than 10 minutes in the movie without seeing something interesting. And the Terminator style theme song was cool, they had to use a broken Casio keyboard that lost time arhythmically to create it.
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Golden Bee posted:Age of Ultron may be bad in parts, but the intro sequence at the winter base is pretty cool. It’s hard to go more than 10 minutes in the movie without seeing something interesting. And the Terminator style theme song was cool, they had to use a broken Casio keyboard that lost time arhythmically to create it. Age of Ultron has a lot of my favorite scenes of any Marvel Movie. It really is the definition of Less Than The Sum Of Its Parts. How they put so many cool and good things together with a handful of trash parts and it came out so mediocre is kind of achievement in some ways.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:23
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AoU is trash but it did give us an insane James Spader voice performance. Shame about everything else though.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:25
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Age of Ultron has a lot of great individual elements: the scene in the bar with the hammer, every single thing involving Vision, Andy Serkis being a full-on non-CGI weirdo. It also sets up a bunch of stuff that will pay off huge dividends in Endgame: Cap and the Hammer, Hawkeye's family. But yeah, the plot is borderline non-existent, and because of the tepid plot the villain is mostly wasted, which is a shame because Spader as Ultron had the potential to be legendary.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:26
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I watched a video about age of ultron recently and forgot how annoying and quippy Ultron was. Dare I say cringe?!
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Mar 25, 2021 18:28
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Also I will never not laugh at “Go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep!”
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Mar 25, 2021 18:28
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Joss Whedon uses the "oops a guy and a lady fall over together and the guys face ends up in her chest *cartoon wolf howl*" gag in Age of Ultron and Justice League. Shock he turned out to be a creep.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:32
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Age of Ultron is funny because it makes sense that a super intelligent being would log on to the internet for 15 seconds and immediately decide to end all life as we know it. Anyways it wasn’t just us ITT melting down over the bank scene https://nerdist.com/article/the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-bank-loan-scene-avengers-payment/?amp She also highlights Vision & Bucky (how did he buy a house? Who is paying for Bucky’s therapy?) and basically agrees that it just raises so many more questions than it answers
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Mar 25, 2021 18:35
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Bucky was in the army and his therapist said she was a soldier too so it's pretty easy to assume the government is paying.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:37
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The party scene, Ultron and the Hawkeye farm interlude were unimpeachable, AoU was dragged down so hard by the final act of that movie being like 30 minutes of hitting non-threatening robots.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:38
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I haven't seen AoU since it first released. I don't remember it being in any way worse than the first Avengers or Civil War. It's next on my slow rewatch so I'm interested to see if I come away disliking it this time.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:38
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Vision won the house by trading it from a paper clip
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Mar 25, 2021 18:39
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AoU is worth watching for Thor's face when Steve makes Mjolnir wiggle like a millimeter.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:41
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fractalairduct posted:Surprised that in the entire conversation about the worst Marvel movies, no one brought up Age of Ultron. Age of Ultron had to set up Captain America: Civil War and Black Panther and Thor: Ragnorak and lay the groundwork for Infinity War and Endgame and also tell an entertaining story about a would-be robot apocalypse. For the most part it did all of those things competently. Not perfectly, but at least competently.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:47
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Firebert posted:The party scene, Ultron and the Hawkeye farm interlude were unimpeachable, AoU was dragged down so hard by the final act of that movie being like 30 minutes of hitting non-threatening robots. Ehhhhh that farm interlude has Whedon’s gross Black Widow “monster” scene in it.
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Mar 25, 2021 18:48
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Golden Bee posted:Vision won the house by trading it from a paper clip That was a pretty lovely lot in a tiny new Jersey town, he probably just found the money for it in Tony's couch
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Mar 25, 2021 19:01
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Yeah, if you're at the place where you're asking how in the world Vision could afford a small patch of land in a dilapidated Jersey town then maybe you're picking too many nits.
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Mar 25, 2021 19:04
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Bust Rodd posted:Age of Ultron is funny because it makes sense that a super intelligent being would log on to the internet for 15 seconds and immediately decide to end all life as we know it. The unbelievable part is that he didn't use a zipline to do it.
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Mar 25, 2021 19:06
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The worst part of the MCU is that Thanos never got to use his helicopter
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Mar 25, 2021 19:09
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Bucky was in the army and his therapist said she was a soldier too so it's pretty easy to assume the government is paying. I cant remember if it was said explicitly but I got the sense Buckies therapy was involuntary and a condition of him being able to walk around freely.
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Mar 25, 2021 20:04
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110 year old Steve Rodgers also probably put in a good word for his old pal who was a mind controlled Soviet assassin for decades.
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Mar 25, 2021 20:06
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massive spider posted:I cant remember if it was said explicitly but I got the sense Buckies therapy was involuntary and a condition of him being able to walk around freely. It was described as a condition of his pardon. Which, I need to look up but I feel like Pardons aren't allowed to be conditional. But whatever.  Also incredible lol at that article. Gee, I wonder why the robot who disguised himself as a white guy didn't have the same trouble dealing with a bank as a black man?! Maybe there's some kind of point in there somewhere...
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Mar 25, 2021 20:11
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massive spider posted:I cant remember if it was said explicitly but I got the sense Buckies therapy was involuntary and a condition of him being able to walk around freely. Bucky's therapist said the therapy was a condition of his pardon.
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Mar 25, 2021 20:13
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Sammus posted:So, everyone is bagging on Thor 2 and Iron Man 2, and not unjustly, because they're not good marvel movies. But the people calling them the worst of the marvel movies are just flat out wrong. The Incredible Hulk holds that title. A MCU movie so bad they couldn't get the star to come back and it feels like everyone forgot it exists. IM2 and Thor 2 are actually pretty decent on a rewatch, especially when watching everything in sequence (I managed to watch that Twitter guy's insane chronological edit). Thor 2 especially sets up a LOT of big character changes and story threads, it just had kind of a lame villain as its framing story. Same with IM2, it packs in a ton of major story elements but doesn't really do justice to its main villain. I actually like IM2 a fair bit more than IM3, though I think with this thread's revelation that IM3 is just a Fringe episode, I like it more in retrospect. Speaking of which: howe_sam posted:Extremis is some real Massive Dynamics poo poo. Also Elihas Starr was played by the same actor as The Observer, so... 
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Mar 25, 2021 20:18
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Sanguinia posted:It was described as a condition of his pardon. Which, I need to look up but I feel like Pardons aren't allowed to be conditional. But whatever. A quick Google tells me that yes, conditional pardons are a thing.
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Mar 25, 2021 20:36
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I watched the Rock and Ravenous on Star here in Canada, i find that hilarious. And yea, Age of Ultron has one of few large quiet moments in the MCU where people just hang out. There needs to be more scenes of people just being people. You get small moments, like Infinity War before Hulk crashes into his stairs, Strange and Wong are going to go get lunch.
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Mar 25, 2021 20:45
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Golden Bee posted:I don’t know if it counts, because the story of the MCU always seems to start with Iron Man. Which preceded The Incredible Hulk! It absolutely counts, even if it was really only ever referred back to in one single line. Timby posted:and they do have an unfortunate tendency to devote a decent chunk of their runtime to saying, "By the way, don't forget to check out the next Marvel Studios film, coming to a theater near you in six months!" I can't think of a single one that did this other than Age of Ultron (which, per the discussion above, would improve greatly if you just cut out the Thor's Vision Quest stuff, which is definitely guilty of what you're saying). Which other ones do you think devoted anything more than a quick flash to future movies?
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Mar 25, 2021 20:54
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twistedmentat posted:I watched the Rock and Ravenous on Star here in Canada, i find that hilarious. I finally got around to watching Tombstone and I re-watched Armageddon for the first time in...my god, over two decades. quote:You get small moments, like Infinity War before Hulk crashes into his stairs, Strange and Wong are going to go get lunch. There are a lot of great moments like this scattered through the MCU, though, that I think add up. The first one I remember was Stane offering Tony pizza. It’s such a bizarre, charming little interaction that’s obviously 100% ad-libbed, but it does so much heavy lifting humanizing Stane and Tony’s relationship. It’s probably one of my favourite little movie moments.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Ehhhhh that farm interlude has Whedon’s gross Black Widow “monster” scene in it. I don't think I minded that bit as much as I did the "boob-falls" in the non-ZSJL and here. Natasha was forcibly sterilized as part of her "graduation." That's horribly hosed up. It's played as being horribly hosed up. Natasha feeling like monster and otherwise cut off from "normal" people is not necessarily rational, but her feelings about it are valid. Plus, the whole point of her confessing this to Bruce is to get him to realize that yes, on some level, she does get where he's coming from. The boob-falls are just stupid and demeaning to all involved - especially the actresses. It's one of the things that I've really come to hate about Whedon. He actually is a talented director and story-teller. But then he puts the boob-falls or something like them in his movies to remind people that "Hey, while you're watching the movie, don't forget that I'm a total piece of poo poo."
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I think everyone understands where Whedon was going with that monster scene, and if Natasha were a real person, yeah, her feelings and how she chooses to articulate them could be excused, but she’s a fictional woman written by a man. There’s really no excuse for how badly that scene was handled. It should have been ironed out in, like, a second or third draft.
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Phylodox posted:There are a lot of great moments like this scattered through the MCU, though, that I think add up. The first one I remember was Stane offering Tony pizza. It’s such a bizarre, charming little interaction that’s obviously 100% ad-libbed, but it does so much heavy lifting humanizing Stane and Tony’s relationship. It’s probably one of my favourite little movie moments. I think when people criticize super hero films for not having humanity a lot of it is stuff like this. So like a film might have a lot of heavy emotional moments but it it skimps on those little moments when characters are just being people it feels a little too artificial. Like all the stuff of Thor and Loki bickering or Tony annoying his friends add a lot, I think. It makes the characters and their world feel more lived in.
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It also just sets Natasha on an arc where her eventual sacrifice in Endgame isn't so much noble as her giving in to her sense of worthlessness. E: they also just do not acknowledge at all the Natasha/Bruce relationship in Infinity War or Endgame, until Bruce has to feel slightly less sad than Haekeulye about the fact that she's dead. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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we're talking about how The Incredible Hulk has been memory-holed outside of Ross but Tim Roth has been attached to the MCU for more than a decade as Abomination and was on-board to appear in both AoU and Civil War before the scripts hit final draft and is definitely appearing in She-Hulk
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I'd really love to see Immortal Hulk get adapted. I presume streaming doesn't count as part of the Universal deal, and they have Star now if they were willing to do it.
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Alchenar posted:It also just sets Natasha on an arc where her eventual sacrifice in Endgame isn't so much noble as her giving in to her sense of worthlessness. There was that very small bit when they meeting again at the Avengers compound, but otherwise, nope. Part of it may have been differing directors. If they'd really want to drive home that Natasha and Bruce were a thing, they'd have sent Bruce to Vormir with Natasha. I'm kind of glad they didn't. I don't Clint would have worked nearly as well in dealing with the Ancient One. For my part I didn't see her sacrifice as expressing her "worthlessness" so much as Natasha finally paying off all the "red in her ledger" by making sure Clint would be around when (not if, when) his family returned.
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Yeah, I see Natasha's arc as Avengers > Winter Soldier > Civil War > Endgame. Its about her defining herself as an Avenger and a hero to try and make up for what she'd done in her past and struggling with what the right thing is to do and who the right people to work for are until finally she is at some peace sacrificing herself to save so many in an act that she feels might really "clean the ledger." The Bruce/Age of Ultron stuff is just an unfortunate speed bump no one else followed up on except to acknowledge it happened.
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Sammus posted:So, everyone is bagging on Thor 2 and Iron Man 2, and not unjustly, because they're not good marvel movies. But the people calling them the worst of the marvel movies are just flat out wrong. The Incredible Hulk holds that title. A MCU movie so bad they couldn't get the star to come back and it feels like everyone forgot it exists. "Couldn't get the star to come back" isn't really accurately describing what happened there. Ed Norton, while a great actor, is an rear end who demands script edits on anything he works on. From what I remember (and it's been years, so don't ask me to pull a source out of my rear end), he was pulling his usual poo poo and demanding script edits on The Avengers, and Marvel was saying, "Uh, no, this movie is way too big to allow that poo poo" so he walked. I'm not one to defend major film studios usually. But there's a reason almost no one has worked with Ed Norton twice. He's a notorious rear end in a top hat. Not that any of this makes The Incredible Hulk any better (I think it's a fine movie, and better than Thor 2, but definitely bottom tier), but I felt like that comment needed some details.
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Mar 25, 2021 22:45
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Are you saying that hulk/black widow gif isn't canon?
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Age of Ultron is just a special The Blacklist episode. 
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TinTower posted:Age of Ultron is just a special The Blacklist episode. This is now my head canon, Red just branching out to smuggling cybernetics.
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