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Booley posted:Crisis suits are hot garbage, and taking 3 tanks at 750 is going to be tought to beat - particularly when battle cannons and demolisher cannons are great at killing stealth/crisis suits What would you change in my list to make it more even? Drop some of the tanks obviously, I have loads of guard stuff so I can field basically anything if you suggest it would make it a fair game. Even garbage guard units. I guess the problem is whatever I think of taking I think i would have done a load of damage anyway. Tempests Scions I'd have dropped in next to the crisis suits and stealth suits. Sentinels maybe not as good as tanks but they are still vehicles with autocannons. I realised I left off the explanation of what he actually did, but part of me is struggling to think what to take instead. Maybe wyrdvanes psykers, they are poo poo. Kitchner fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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Nov 10, 2019 21:58
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Big Willy Style posted:It's ok if your friend just wants to play kill team. Of course it is, I would just like to play 40K with him too but so far the first game was 1,500 points using two or my armies and it took too long as I only started playing again and he's never played before. So I suggested a smaller game and this happened. So it's more I feel he's not actually played a decent game of it, as they are both bad examples.
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Nov 10, 2019 22:01
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Kitchner posted:What would you change in my list to make it more even? Drop some of the tanks obviously, I have loads of guard stuff so I can field basically anything if you suggest it would make it a fair game. Even garbage guard units. You're probably going to need to just spam infantry/veteran squads against that list and other low offense units. Tanks are going to be tough as your friend doesn't have any real antitank.
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Swapping armies may work, a kill team roster is unlikely to translate well to 40k, so the classic 'deploy everything I own' tactic probably won't convince him on the merits of 40k. It doesn't help you're both playing gunline armies either though not much you can do about that.
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Nov 10, 2019 22:04
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Booley posted:You're probably going to need to just spam infantry/veteran squads against that list and other low offense units. Tanks are going to be tough as your friend doesn't have any real antitank. What is good anti tank for tau these days? Other than riptide battlesuits (or is it just them)? whiteshark12 posted:Swapping armies may work, a kill team roster is unlikely to translate well to 40k, so the classic 'deploy everything I own' tactic probably won't convince him on the merits of 40k. It doesn't help you're both playing gunline armies either though not much you can do about that. To be honest I was planning to advance towards him with the demolisher and hellhound being screened by the infantry and his aggressive deployment caught me off guard. Gunline vs gunline is obviously a bit boring but I think I'd have been OK with basically exchange shits for a few turns before we scramble for objectives. This was just over after my first turn though. Kitchner fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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Nov 10, 2019 22:09
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/10/black-library-weekender-2019-the-reveals/ Looks like a pissed off art grandma.
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Kitchner posted:What is good anti tank for tau these days? Other than riptide battlesuits (or is it just them)? Riptides, broadsides, hammerheads, quad fusion coldstars. Read this: https://www.goonhammer.com/start-competing-tau-empire-tactics/
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Nov 10, 2019 22:16
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Also taking shield generators on suits is objectively and badly inferior to using the same amount of points on shield drones attached to the unit. Crisis Suits also badly need to have three guns if you bring them at all unless you have a dumb gimmick, because the more guns per suit the more efficient (well, less stupidly inefficient) each suit gets in terms of points spent per gun. A big part of it, though, is that T8 is very hard for T'au to deal with if you're not hard-comboing off Kauyon, Command and Control Node, and the most efficient anti-tank units in the codex (Riptides and Missile Broadsides), especially a lot of T8 in a small game.
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OK sounds like my list was just way too unfair for him then. Might have to apologise and say I need to write a shitter list.
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   Giving him both the empty bolt pistol holster and the holstered grapple gun, both mounted on his right leg because the spot where both those parts are supposed to sit on his right rear end-cheek is occupied by the knife sheath may be overdoing it on the gubbins.
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Nov 10, 2019 23:00
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It's ultimately less of a problem with your list in particular, which is good but neither invincible or even particularly top tier even at that points level (10 Custodes bikers fits into an Outrider at 730), it's that the T'au Codex is full of units that look cool but are bad, and have a relatively small number of units that are individually very good and efficient. The ones that do fit that criteria just also tend to compete for "best unit in the game" because of course they do.
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Kitchner posted:I just really want to play 40k with my friend but I'm worried this has put him off. I think you need to get more tall terrain and place it all more towards the middle of the table. You were basically playing a firing squad over a flat field. House rule that you cannot draw line of sight through the windows. If there is no ways to break line of sight then a shooting heavy army will just blow the other army up. You should make it dense enough that a shooting unit has to pick a part of the table or a lane to cover rather than just have free sight to the entire enemy line. You should be able to hide units during deployment if you want to converse them from first turn shooting. from the best 40k resource  https://www.goonhammer.com/placing-terrain-in-40k-how-to-set-up-a-table/
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Kore_Fero posted:I think you need to get more tall terrain and place it all more towards the middle of the table. You were basically playing a firing squad over a flat field. House rule that you cannot draw line of sight through the windows. If there is no ways to break line of sight then a shooting heavy army will just blow the other army up. You should make it dense enough that a shooting unit has to pick a part of the table or a lane to cover rather than just have free sight to the entire enemy line. You should be able to hide units during deployment if you want to converse them from first turn shooting. I had read the goonhammer article and I though the terrain was OK really. I mean essentially it's 4x4 so it's a square, and in each of the squares there was one piece of scenery that offered a raised vantage point and cover, or LoS blocking terrain (the LoS blocking terrain was opposite each other), plus a LoS blocking piece of terrain in the middle of the table. That all being said my friend did get to pick the deployment zone, and then also picked to have first turn, and when he deployed he did hide his Stealth Suits and stuff. I'm still getting used to the new cover rules (that for infantry they actually need to be in the cover not just obscured by it) but i'm also conscious that it's possible to overload a table with too much scenery.
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What are considered the tournament-competitive-tier close combat units? Seems like there are a lot of cc units throughout 40k but few are tournament tier. They also seem to have some combination of: 1. Able to get into cc first turn; or 2. Resilient; or 3. Equipped with decent ranged attacks; or 4. Points cheap
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/10/black-library-weekender-2019-the-reveals/ "The way your primarch looked at it, this relic was your birthright. He'd be damned if any heretics gonna put their greasy tentacles on his boy's birthright, so he hid it, in the one place he knew he could hide something: his rear end. Five long years, he had this relic up his rear end. Then when he died of warp-dysentery, he gave me the relic. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my rear end for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my shield-host. And now, little marine, I give the relic to you." Der Waffle Mous fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Looks like neither of the BT characters listed are Primaris. There was nothing in the leaked releases. A Primaris EC would rip thou.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:What are considered the tournament-competitive-tier close combat units? Points 2-4 of your list describes basically "what makes a good unit," so yeah, tournament-tier combat units tend to have a combination of those. Tournament-tier combat units basically need to be able to stay alive until they can charge, and be able to do enough damage when they do charge to wipe something out. That rarely means a first-turn charge, though. Sometimes it means charging out of deep strike, though. There are probably a lot more than you'd expect. Some examples: - Smash Captains - are a mainstay in many armies. Being able to plow forward and jump over your opponent's screen to take out a key vehicle is huge. You can either drop them in and charge immediately (Blood Angels smash captains do this, though they reposition instead of deep striking), or have them move up behind other units to stay untargetable until it's time to move ahead. - Assault Centurions - Are incredibly good right now, in part because of how they're priced, but also because they can do some insane damage in combat - Daemon Princes - Every god and every army has a Winged Daemon Prince build that can wreck things in close combat. These typically move up behind the army's screening units and either charge anything that's charged their own front lines, or leap over to take out a key unit. - Lords Discordant - These guys are targetable but you take 3 of them plus other melee daemon engines for them to buff, such as Maulerfiends, Kytan Daemon Engines, Venomcrawlers, or Blood Slaughterers and give your opponents too many big targets at once. These also can advance and charge if they're Red Corsairs or using the Soulforged Pack Stratagem. - Hive Fleet Kraken Genestealers - are incredibly fast and deadly when they hit in combat. They're usually accompanied by a Swarmlord - Bloodletters - Typically use the Banner of Blood to charge in 3D6" after arriving from the warp.
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when do the holiday battle boxes typically go on sale? I saw the link posed a few pages back and no timeline is listed.
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:when do the holiday battle boxes typically go on sale? I saw the link posed a few pages back and no timeline is listed. Should be preorder on the 30th and for sale on the 7th.
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Nov 11, 2019 04:57
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Is the new chaos marine start collecting box seriously just all the monopose models from Shadowspear
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Nov 11, 2019 05:41
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Yes. Same for the marine vanguard box.
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I'm pretty happy I don't have to find someone to split Shadowspear with now, tbh, and it's at least two more characters (the Greater Possessed) than are available in most SC boxes. It's a Start Collecting box, my dude. No surprise GW puts stuff in it that people starting armies aren't going to care are monopose.
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Nov 11, 2019 06:00
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Sure, but is that what the trend is going to be now? Haven't all the other army boxes thus far been multi-part? The models are really sick but it just seems lame to force new chaos marine players to just one single load-out that isn't even that good.
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The contents of a box set haven't ever been split into Start Collecting boxes before; it's a bit disingenous to suggest that this is how SC boxes are going to be handled going forward. One data point isn't a pattern.
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I don't it is that unlikely that future large box sets get split into two start collecting sets though. It just depends if that box set is normal kits or monopose/easy to build models.
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Nov 11, 2019 06:18
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if the rumoured AoS SC box is legit I will forgive them for reselling shadowspear in separate kits. I've already bought 1200pts of dg this month GW stop
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Nov 11, 2019 06:18
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They split that original AoS boxed set into the Khorne and Sigmarine SCs. The mitigating factor being they're the cheapest of the SC boxes.
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If I read right the new pschic book has entries for chaos marines. So too keep track its index, codex, awakening and vigilus, and faq an chapter approved. God drat.
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Nov 11, 2019 07:13
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What index units still even see play for Chaos?
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Strobe posted:What index units still even see play for Chaos? Or will by this time next year if the rumors about old models being kicked out of normal use into "Legends" only? You can probably dump the Indexes sooner rather than later.
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Strobe posted:What index units still even see play for Chaos? Here's my Chaos Lord on Disc of Tzeentch. 
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moths posted:Is there an option to build a non-Christmas, classic Red Gobbo? No, but it's not too difficult to remove the top of the hat, the beard, and the star. So, my GW shop manager is no fun. I told him how I'm basing my different ork kulturs differently (desert highway for evil sunz, mud and bones for deathskulls, and rusty industrial for bad moons), and he tried to convince me that I should just base all of them exactly the same for "army cohesion" and just paint the rims bright red, blue, and yellow. You'd think the fact that they're all orks is cohesion enough.
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For you guys who like alternative models. https://dreamforge-games.com/collections/all the plastics are on a pretty big close out sale
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JackMann posted:No, but it's not too difficult to remove the top of the hat, the beard, and the star. I don’t think he’s wrong. And I don’t think you’re wrong necessarily. But if I were you I’d try to have a unifying feature or base substrate, so same or similar basing texture with the Kultur’s themed bits then being added. At the very least I’d make sure all the bases had the same colour rims if you proceed with your plan.
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ineptmule posted:I don’t think he’s wrong. And I don’t think you’re wrong necessarily. But if I were you I’d try to have a unifying feature or base substrate, so same or similar basing texture with the Kultur’s themed bits then being added. Yeah its a bit of a rule of aesthetics that similar bases for an army just plain look better together but at the same time it's your army and if youre taking the time to paint them, do as you please.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Yeah its a bit of a rule of aesthetics that similar bases for an army just plain look better together but at the same time it's your army and if youre taking the time to paint them, do as you please. Yeah have to say I'd want them all on the same ground but painted differently with maybe some different base decorations instead. That being said they are your models and do what you want. It's not like your army will have the same base as every board you play on anyway. Base rims are a funny one because my dudes are all based on urban rubble (slate painted grey) and I ended up painting all the rims a neutral brown colour as I'm sure when I used to play all the time it helped them look more fitting. I'm sure I remember this was popular at the time and the local store was doing something similar. Now though it seems its black rims all the way
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