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Yorkshire Tea posted:Mate if you're calling a combobreaker a burst I don't know what to tell you. Why this thread is trash
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Apr 8, 2016 10:04
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Supers should just be the motion and two punches or kicks
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Apr 8, 2016 10:05
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Golem II posted:Why this thread is trash 
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Apr 8, 2016 10:37
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Golem II posted:Supers should just be the motion and two punches or kicks
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Apr 8, 2016 10:48
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MikeZ agrees with the man
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Apr 8, 2016 10:49
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MikeZ is a font of knowledge on many subjects regarding [fighting] game design and his opinions should be respected and listened to because he has been vindicated several times on several key issues, and has contributed a great deal to the broader community But please also understand that if you give him carte blanche to Actually Make A Game, Skullgirls happens
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Apr 8, 2016 10:57
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Goodpart posted:MikeZ is a font of knowledge on many subjects regarding [fighting] game design and his opinions should be respected and listened to because he has been vindicated several times on several key issues, and has contributed a great deal to the broader community Skullgirls gets more things right than wrong.
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Apr 8, 2016 11:07
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But the few things Skullgirls gets wrong are so central to what the game is that it renders the good stuff pretty much irrelevant Anyway, not a Skullgirls thread, SF5 is still booty, haven't touched it in days, look forward to streaming biweekly tournaments so I only have to talk about it instead of actually play it! Play KI: it's fun!
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Apr 8, 2016 11:29
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Killer Instinct has the Arbiter from Halo which is cool.
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Apr 8, 2016 11:41
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Golem II posted:Why this thread is trash Because it has a nerd in it who thinks combobreakers are called bursts and didn't play KI in 1994.
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Apr 8, 2016 11:52
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Bursts and combobreakers are different anyway, you can't make a combobreaker whiff or use it offensively. There you go, I solved your petty argument. Also don't play KI (or play it, it's free, who cares). Also there's gonna be a Regional Qualifier in Brazil this weekend, K-Brad and JWong are coming to try and steal some points. Also Kayane. Decent opportunity to check out some unknown names, if the fact that it's being held during an anime event doesn't make all the stream stations melt.
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Apr 8, 2016 12:17
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Because it has a nerd in it who thinks combobreakers are called bursts and didn't play KI in 1994. Nobody said this. I prefer to call combo breakers "bad".
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Apr 8, 2016 12:32
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Dias posted:Bursts and combobreakers are different anyway, you can't make a combobreaker whiff or use it offensively. Bursts and combobreakers are different because one is a lame anime thing and the other yells C-c-c-c-ombobreaker when you use it.
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Apr 8, 2016 13:08
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It's odd. Have we ever seen KI1's 'use the mechanic, get enhanced moves' it did with combo breakers to reward you for getting it right?
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Apr 8, 2016 13:54
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Dias posted:Bursts and combobreakers are different anyway, you can't make a combobreaker whiff or use it offensively. You can't make it whiff, but you can bait out combo breakers with...I think they're called counter breakers? I also thought I saw some reset setups that involved baiting out buttons for combo breakers but it's been a while. And I don't think bursts being used offensively is a big enough difference that differentiates them, at least in my eyes. More so, the fact that bursts are usually super limited is more of what makes them feel very different.
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Apr 8, 2016 14:02
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Ventana posted:You can't make it whiff, but you can bait out combo breakers with...I think they're called counter breakers? I also thought I saw some reset setups that involved baiting out buttons for combo breakers but it's been a while. Counter breakers are a big deal. They're always a hard read when you're doing a combo. If you get it wrong the combo ends and the guy you were beating up on gets to strt hitting you for free. If you get it right and the other guy tried to break, he gets locked out and your combo blowout meter resets. If you get a counter breaker, you should always do between 60-95% damage depending on the resources spent and character you're playing as.
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Apr 8, 2016 14:16
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Bursts in Guilty Gear are way more fun and interesting than combo breakers in KI because they are not cookie cutter single-purpose things that you use in exactly one way that has a cookie cutter single-purpose counter designed for it.
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Apr 8, 2016 14:21
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You're right, but you're also amazingly wrong.
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Apr 8, 2016 14:25
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Combos are kind of bullshit in some specific games especially so, it's nice of KI/GG attempt to address the issue in their own ways. Meanwhile SF managed to only devolve in it's mechanics over time, planting it's head deeper up it's own rear end. These companies are at least trying to do something more for the genre and push it forward, while Capcom just coasts.
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Apr 8, 2016 15:04
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Of all the problems with SFV, I don't really feel like their combo system is one of them, personally.
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Apr 8, 2016 15:07
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Didn't people say you need to reach level 50 with a character to unlock colour 15? I was looking at the rankings and Daigo's Ryu is level 45/arturo's Dhalsim is 42 wtf
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Apr 8, 2016 16:07
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Kaceytron isn't a normal titty streamer because she is hilarious and a genius at acting stupid as someone said You may not like her gimmick but she's extremely good at it and drops some pretty good lines, she is the perfect mix of trolling and cleverness imo
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Apr 8, 2016 16:14
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Help Im Alive posted:Didn't people say you need to reach level 50 with a character to unlock colour 15? I was looking at the rankings and Daigo's Ryu is level 45/arturo's Dhalsim is 42 Pay for your colors pleb
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Apr 8, 2016 16:37
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Stefan Prodan posted:Kaceytron isn't a normal titty streamer because she is hilarious and a genius at acting stupid as someone said Agreed she owns.
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Apr 8, 2016 16:47
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Stefan Prodan posted:Kaceytron isn't a normal titty streamer because she is hilarious and a genius at acting stupid as someone said Being really good at ironic shitposting should grant you an automatic  account in these forums
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Apr 8, 2016 16:53
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ZenVulgarity posted:Pay for your colors pleb You can't pay for color 15 until you unlock it!!!
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Apr 8, 2016 17:37
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There are things such as this: http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/feb/17/street-fighter-5-challenges-discovered-and-it-looks-there-are-nearly-7000/ (link detailing data about daily character challenges) which indicate that Capcom will be adding in ways to grant character xp so I doubt it will be as difficult to hit level 50 in the future as it is now. I'd rather pay zenny for a color pack and be done with it honestly, but there's that at least. Also, I played my first decent Zangief with my Laura last night and got absolutely demolished. Any tips for that matchup? The round started out fantastically with my roundhouse immediately getting SPD'd out of startup and it was all downhill from there. I wasn't sure what my spacing should be, but I'm sure my lack of confidence was sensed and gief really capitalized on that. Normally I lame gief out with roundhouse, s.mk and fireballs but he just was not having it. I think my approach is bad, its a bad approach. Also I guessed wrong at every step of the way (blocking when I shouldn't, holding up when I shouldn't) so knowing what to look for, and knowing the gaps in giefs offense might help. I wish I played against more giefs like that. Colorspray fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Apr 8, 2016 18:25
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honestly the best feeling in this game is beating people with alt colors because they wasted all their loving time playing survival like idiots and now you lost
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Apr 8, 2016 18:28
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dangerdoom volvo posted:honestly the best feeling in this game is beating people with alt colors because they wasted all their loving time playing survival like idiots and now you lost The joke is that you're playing a game you hate. 
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Apr 8, 2016 18:36
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Because it has a nerd in it who thinks combobreakers are called bursts and didn't play KI in 1994. I call combo breakers C-c-c-c-COMBOBREAKERS at the top of my lungs and still have a black KI and a gold Ki Gold cart laying around here somewhere where the gently caress are they oh right my n64 and snes stopped working.
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Apr 8, 2016 18:44
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does the new KI still uses those obnoxious downback - down - downforward special move inputs that were such drat murder to do on a dpad?
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Apr 8, 2016 18:46
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NecroMonster posted:does the new KI still uses those obnoxious downback - down - downforward special move inputs that were such drat murder to do on a dpad? Nah, it's mostly QCFs/Bs and DP motions.
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Apr 8, 2016 18:54
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Stefan Prodan posted:Kaceytron isn't a normal titty streamer because she is hilarious and a genius at acting stupid as someone said Anyone who actually thinks she's stupid is a jabroni mark
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Apr 8, 2016 19:07
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 I mean I think the real problem here is she jacked my loving combos that I've been working on since grade school.
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Apr 8, 2016 19:11
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Stefan Prodan posted:Kaceytron isn't a normal titty streamer because she is hilarious and a genius at acting stupid as someone said If I had tits that would attract nerds I would be doing what she is doing.
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Apr 8, 2016 19:11
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Goodpart posted:But the few things Skullgirls gets wrong are so central to what the game is that it renders the good stuff pretty much irrelevant What does it get wrong? I'm just curious since this stuff is fun. I know the obvious one is ease up on the pedo-cheesecake character designs. What are other ones?
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Apr 8, 2016 19:22
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ZenVulgarity posted:Anyone who actually thinks she's stupid is a jabroni mark I mean I've seen people in arcades use her same strategy for real.
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Apr 8, 2016 19:38
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Buckwheat Sings posted:What does it get wrong? I'm just curious since this stuff is fun. I know the obvious one is ease up on the pedo-cheesecake character designs. What are other ones? The central design hypothesis for the whole game is "Relentlessly comboing and resetting your opponent is the most fun way to win in a fighting game, so characters should be able to constantly put opponents in a state of mixup pressure even if they're already being comboed." A small number of people agree with this hypothesis and find the game fun; a lot of other people feel that pacing is part of any good game design, including fighting games, and that the way Skullgirls forces you to be vigilant 100% of the time, even when you're already being punished for getting hit, is exhausting and not fun.
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Apr 8, 2016 19:47
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Brosnan posted:The central design hypothesis for the whole game is "Relentlessly comboing and resetting your opponent is the most fun way to win in a fighting game, so characters should be able to constantly put opponents in a state of mixup pressure even if they're already being comboed." I don't care for that style of play, either, but I don't see it as wrong. Some people love that poo poo, it's just not for me, but that's okay, it doesn't have to be for me.
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Apr 8, 2016 19:57
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I completely missed Marvel 2's heyday, but isn't "relentless pressure even when comboed" something that's applicable to that game also? Although I suppose even my superficial understanding of both games makes it apparent that usually you finish your combos in MvC2. Let's be honest though, there's two main issues with SG that made it unpopular: it's not Capcom and it has a cartoony look with a LOT of fanservice.
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