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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:For the most past, aside from the episodes you mentioned, I actually don't think S1 is bad at all. Uneven, yes. But like Next Generation's first season, there are some hidden gems: Babel (which, of course, is relevant today), Dramatis Personae, Duet. Don't forget "Captive Pursuit" and "Progress". I agree Season 1 is solid all around. That's my point - people want it to be worse than it is. I've never understood the sheer hatred for "Move Along Home" either. It's not great but it's solid and very Star Trek.
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Seemlar posted:
Imagine being a showrunner whose grand finale to an entire series/franchise is so bad it routinely tops "worst of all time" lists.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:13
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"Move Along Home" has that great Quark meltdown. How can that be worse than something like "The Muse," which has... uh
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Let He Who Is Without Sin and the Quark in drag episode are far worse. Mostly, though, I agree with that list.
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Let He Who Is Without Sin is perfectly competently put together, it’s just stupid and a character assassination AND irrelevant to anything because nobody ever speaks of it again. Profit and Lace is even worse, but mostly because it’s catastrophically unfunny and in terrible taste, again. It’s not technically badly made. I think episodes like Alternative Factor and Children Shall Lead belong in an entirely different category of poo poo from the bad episodes of 90s Trek. They’re just “well, hire a guest actor, shoot something and we’ll air it”. It was a different era and a different standard of professionalism in production.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:26
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"And the Children Shall Lead" gets a pass though because the actor that plays Tommy later on became an inventor and composer and made THIS... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj4f5z6nRhs
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Jun 19, 2020 02:30
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Shades of Gray was a loving clip show. It doesn't get worse than a clip show.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:42
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Didn't The Alternative Factor fall apart as they lost the original actor they hired to play Lazarus and had to replace him at short notice?
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Jun 19, 2020 02:43
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bull3964 posted:"And the Children Shall Lead" gets a pass though because the actor that plays Tommy later on became an inventor and composer and made THIS...
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Zaroff posted:Didn't The Alternative Factor fall apart as they lost the original actor they hired to play Lazarus and had to replace him at short notice? Sounds right. I think I read that the original actor actually didn't work for several years because he didn't show up when he was scheduled to shoot. Even for TOS the plot for that one is an incomprehensible mess. I think I kinda get what they were trying to do, but the "good Lazarus" and "bad Lazarus" stuff was poorly written and executed.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:50
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bull3964 posted:"And the Children Shall Lead" gets a pass though because the actor that plays Tommy later on became an inventor and composer and made THIS... That’s fantastic. I always figured that was just a synthesizer. It’s a really iconic sound to me. I can hear it completely absent of context and immediately think, “V’ger!”
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Jun 19, 2020 02:53
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Zaroff posted:Didn't The Alternative Factor fall apart as they lost the original actor they hired to play Lazarus and had to replace him at short notice? Yes. It was Drew Barrymore’s dad; he allegedly was too wasted to make it to the gig. They replaced him only after a day of shooting around his absence. They also cut out a subplot where the black lieutenant falls for Lazarus and replaced it with nothing
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Jun 19, 2020 03:02
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Seemlar posted:
Fan polls don't mean poo poo anyway. If fans could have their way, Star Trek would just be "The Borg Show" and it'd be about fighting the borg every week. Edit: If you're wondering why the borg plot line meant absolutely loving nothing to the main plot of PIC, remember that the most popular episodes of TNG is the BoBW on netflix, and the most popular voyager episodes are all of the borg ones. It's borg all the way down, most people's favorite TNG film is First Contact. Borg borg borg, you'd think people'd be tired of them since they haven't had a win since the battle of Wolf 359. TheDiceMustRoll fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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The fact that V'ger's other worldly noise comes from an instrument that looks so alien is absolutely perfect.
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Last time I watched Cause and Effect, I kinda hated it. Like, an hour of drama and the result was that retroactively nothing happened? Just because Data is magic basically? It used to be a favorite until I overthought it.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Last time I watched Cause and Effect, I kinda hated it. Like, an hour of drama and the result was that retroactively nothing happened? Just because Data is magic basically? It used to be a favorite until I overthought it. The end result of the episode makes it pretty clear though that those previous loops did actually happen.
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https://twitter.com/gfrobot/status/1273722605384560641?s=21
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Nah.
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I have a strong feeling that this isn't going to be a venture bros/Harley Quinn situation, as in a clever animated series. With Harley Quinn, it's been dumped into its own canon and given the right to do basically whatever the gently caress they want. They've killed out major villains, openly mocked many aspects of the DC universe (but in a loving way) and I think Lower Decks would be amazing as that, as it has its own silly tropes to mock (hat planet, badmiral, etc) but I think it'll be a pretty standard workplace comedy and since it's "official canon forever" that basically means it needs to respect the events of picard so they can't step out of the way. Canon, especially the star trek canon, is the #1 thing ruining star trek Edit: "Those Phasers look good!" seems to be a joke, since he's in the thread on twitter mocking the show..
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Alternative Factor is so all-around poorly done it's almost literally unwatchable. Like it's amazing it even aired.
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Is Alternative Factor the one with like 15 minutes of a dude wrestling with himself while glowing and weird music plays?
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:
Doesn't really track when we've spent the past 11 years rewriting canon (arguably the last 20 years) and it hasn't really helped at all. Canon (adherence or abandonment) is an excuse for bad storytelling. It's time we all admit to ourselves that CBS really doesn't know what to do with the franchise other than throwing everything they can at the wall. Here's the thing, until we have a story where it's impossible to tell if canon was followed or not, we won't have anything new and interesting.
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Grand Fromage posted:Is Alternative Factor the one with like 15 minutes of a dude wrestling with himself while glowing and weird music plays?
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Canon is brands. Brands are people. Star Trek is alive and it wants to die
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Here's a red-hot take: I always thought the Inner Light was a beautiful idea for an episode and Stewart is great in it, but it's brought down by all the Kataanian side characters having wooden dialogue and acting. I love this episode and it makes me feel all sorts of feelings and I think it justly deserves its reputation as a kind of capstone episode of Trek, but holy gently caress youre right. There really is a pretty sharp dissonance between arch, British, shakespearean thesp Stewart, the high concept story and then the day-time TV soap opera level dialogue and acting. Though I vaguely remember the actor that played his daughter being pretty affecting.
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bull3964 posted:Doesn't really track when we've spent the past 11 years rewriting canon (arguably the last 20 years) and it hasn't really helped at all. Canon (adherence or abandonment) is an excuse for bad storytelling. A huge amount of complaints regarding star trek these days is that its not the correct canon, nerds are endlessly whining about it not being "real" trek. Tons of criticism around disco is due to the fact that it's a prime timeline show that looks nothing like any previous prime timeline show. And the spore drive. Spore drive is a great, fun concept and "what if, in star trek, we had this cool drive" is better without having to have stupid "also keep this secret for no reason" scenes. CBS is all money-men, and they saw that in terms of money-make, the JJ films are the most money-make.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Sounds right. I think I read that the original actor actually didn't work for several years because he didn't show up when he was scheduled to shoot. The Trek producers were livid and filed a grievance with the Screen Actors' Guild. I think the official punishment was he was barred from SAG work for like six months, but hell maybe he wound up not working for years after that.
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Complaints from loud people aren't the same thing as the actual problems with the most recent installments. Jettisoning canon completely would solve nothing. Those people would just be louder and none of the core issues would be addressed. Discovery isn't middling filler because nerds are complaining about the spore drive. Stop blaming canon for bad writing. The fact that the Discovery has holographic displays has no influence on stilted character development, uneven tone, and the lack of anything actually meaningful to say.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The Trek producers were livid and filed a grievance with the Screen Actors' Guild. I think the official punishment was he was barred from SAG work for like six months, but hell maybe he wound up not working for years after that. Off and on work, but that had more to do with his drug and alcohol problems than being blackballed.
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I always thought "Cause and Effect" was one of the most boring and contrived episodes, capped off by an utterly bizarre cameo. Edit. Maybe I'm getting sentimental in my old age, but "Move Along Home" is a great Quark episode where he hopefully learned something. Insane Totoro fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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Star Trek Voyager, season 2, episode 14 "Alliances" Time index: 37ish minutes into the episode. Where the gently caress is the clapping and fanfare coming from?
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Off and on work, but that had more to do with his drug and alcohol problems than being blackballed. I know a few film industry people and from what I've been told there's not really any official blackballing unless you specifically piss off a producer, but there's a lot of "Oh, is X worth hiring?" which happens a lot. Like any other business, if it gets around all over town you're a horrid and lovely worker, then you won't find work.
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8one6 posted:Star Trek Voyager, season 2, episode 14 "Alliances" Star Trek Voyager is filmed in front of a live studio audience! (Actual explanation - nobody knows; it's only present in certain streaming versions of the episode, and wasn't there in the original airing.)
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I believe there was a piece of music that they couldn't license for streaming and so they just replaced it with...that?
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Watching Threshold now (because I'd be a hypocrite for suggesting it to everyone who asks for a watch list and then skipping it during the rewatch) and why it is so goddamn easy to steal shuttles from Federation Starships? EDIT: "... In 2018, an anonymous contributor name "BioTrekkie" submitted a fake science paper entitled "Rapid Genetic and Developmental Morphological Change Following Extreme Celerity" describing Paris' experiment in other words, to several "predatory" science journals. Four accepted it and one published it. ... " 8one6 fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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8one6 posted:Watching Threshold now (because I'd be a hypocrite for suggesting it to everyone who asks for a watch list and then skipping it during the rewatch) and why it is so goddamn easy to steal shuttles from Federation Starships? The Federation is SUPER trusting and probably believes that "unauthorized launch" alerts are enough to deter people from taking shuttlecraft without permission, as opposed to, I dunno, senior staff being the only ones with launch codes, or the shuttlebay doors being operable only by a certain list of personnel.
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curiousTerminal posted:The Federation is SUPER trusting and probably believes that "unauthorized launch" alerts are enough to deter people from taking shuttlecraft without permission, as opposed to, I dunno, senior staff being the only ones with launch codes, or the shuttlebay doors being operable only by a certain list of personnel. Regarding them being super trusting, see things like the Maquis integration where everyone just immediately gets the keys they would need to blow up the ship.
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Senor Tron posted:Regarding them being super trusting, see things like the Maquis integration where everyone just immediately gets the keys they would need to blow up the ship.
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Pablo Bluth posted:You don't even need the keys. It seems that just about anyone can bypass all computer security and lock out everyone else within about ten seconds of reaching an access point. "Computer, open the door." "Authorization Required" "Ummm... Engineering override?" "[beebeeboop] Sure, checks out. Opening door."
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