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Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Tbh there's a certain irony in that the loving liberals by and large are willing to take a substantial hit to their own wealth in order to keep an imperial aggressor at bay, and half of Die Linke would rather appease the genocidal dictator than use this crisis as a very clear confirmation of their social policies. People are struggling because the capitalist system throws them under the bus at first sign of trouble, and Die Linke is keeping itself in people's minds primarily by simping for Putin instead of putting the coalition on blast for failing the populace.

Stop sucking, Die Linke, I loving beg you.

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

In what world does it make sense to talk about the results of the EU sanction regime without any discussion of the policy or the context? If Putin is finally the promised new Hitler of US propaganda then doing a Morgenthau plan on European industry is morally justified. If it's just the psycho global hegemon and a local reactionary rival being at their poo poo again it absolutely is not.

nawilo_420
Nov 24, 2021
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!

Antigravitas posted:

Tbh there's a certain irony in that the loving liberals by and large are willing to take a substantial hit to their own wealth in order to keep an imperial aggressor at bay, and half of Die Linke would rather appease the genocidal dictator than use this crisis as a very clear confirmation of their social policies. People are struggling because the capitalist system throws them under the bus at first sign of trouble, and Die Linke is keeping itself in people's minds primarily by simping for Putin instead of putting the coalition on blast for failing the populace.

Stop sucking, Die Linke, I loving beg you.

Yes to all of this of course, although the positive i take from this is that these clowns apparently need to have a safe space for their russia apologism because they are getting bullied by the rest of the party... so that's good

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.
Ganz schön kalt heute.

Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer
Und richtig hell wird's auch nicht. Wie soll man denn da wach werden?

beer_war
Mar 10, 2005

nawilo_420 posted:

Yes to all of this of course, although the positive i take from this is that these clowns apparently need to have a safe space for their russia apologism because they are getting bullied by the rest of the party... so that's good

Sure looks like it's the other way around, tbh.

Edit: To clarify, no one cares about these *particular* clowns, sure. But then you get the party picking Sahra Wagenknecht to speak for them in front of the Bundestag. And afterwards some Linke clown claims that "Wagenknecht doesn't speak for us" when she *literally just did a few hours ago*.

beer_war fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Sep 24, 2022

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


genericnick posted:

In what world does it make sense to talk about the results of the EU sanction regime without any discussion of the policy or the context? If Putin is finally the promised new Hitler of US propaganda then doing a Morgenthau plan on European industry is morally justified. If it's just the psycho global hegemon and a local reactionary rival being at their poo poo again it absolutely is not.

Imagine the US invading Mexico on a openly declared the Spanish language and Mexican nationality don't exist and Mexico must never again have a foreign or trade policy independent of ours platform. You don't need to game out the interest matrix of all the other countries on the planet to know that the US using the existing national police, prison and military industrial complexes with their known approaches would be insanely bad for the Mexican people they manage to get their hands on.

Plus it grows the Russian blackmail toolbox to include another large share of the tradable global grain surplus, on top of the other commodities they already control. Plus Ukrainian defense industry. How much more weight do you really want to give these guys to throw around?

Obvs it's up to us to decide how much pain we're willing to take, and up to the gov to soften the blows, but the case that it'd be good to keep the Ukrainians out of Russian hands seems p clear.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
https://mobile.twitter.com/jakluge/status/1573659378145714180

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007


I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem
Kalt. Sehr, sehr kalt.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

genericnick posted:

In what world does it make sense to talk about the results of the EU sanction regime without any discussion of the policy or the context? If Putin is finally the promised new Hitler of US propaganda then doing a Morgenthau plan on European industry is morally justified. If it's just the psycho global hegemon and a local reactionary rival being at their poo poo again it absolutely is not.

Well, thanks for agreeing with us. Now tell the current leadership of the Linke this, before they reach their goal of 0% vote share next election. They seem to have disconnected from reality entirely.

Neco
Mar 13, 2005

listen

Tarquinn posted:

Kalt. Sehr, sehr kalt.

Da hilft nur sich umdrehen und weiter schlagen.

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
https://twitter.com/fluepke/status/1573826020729389057?s=46&t=dF_Zr23-JqGrdLHgEZF0HA

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami


He's specifically talking about symmetric gigabit

Who the gently caress needs to upload garbage at 1Gbit/s

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I've always been a bit surprised about Germany's internet infrastructure being like 10 years behind all the time. Especially in the cities.

Son of Rodney
Feb 22, 2006

ohmygodohmygodohmygod


I can get cable 1000 mbit for 40 bux in south Neukölln. Internet is pretty slow it Germany but I've found it to be quite cheap tbh.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Sereri posted:

He's specifically talking about symmetric gigabit

Who the gently caress needs to upload garbage at 1Gbit/s

Offsite backups for someone who works with video files is a good example.

Gbit becomes really slow once you need to move some files.

Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer

Son of Rodney posted:

I can get cable 1000 mbit for 40 bux in south Neukölln. Internet is pretty slow it Germany but I've found it to be quite cheap tbh.

Well I bet you don't have 1. 000 MBit UPLOAD though, which nobody needs ever unless you are a pro user and that has nothing to do with normal user prices.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Sereri posted:

He's specifically talking about symmetric gigabit

Who the gently caress needs to upload garbage at 1Gbit/s

...companies?

Bit disingenuous of that guy tbh

Neco
Mar 13, 2005

listen
Symmetric becomes way more important when people work from home. Big data transfers to the sharepoint, video calls and all that good stuff.

Anyway I think the reason is lazy voters and „good enough“ mentality for things that are not catastrophic yet. We feel the consequences in other sectors too.

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔
40 bux is expensive as hell for internet wtf

No I didn't look at the speed number, it doesn't mean anything to me, I always get the cheapest option and get mad that that is too expensive

niethan
Nov 22, 2005

Don't be scared, homie!

Simply Simon posted:

40 bux is expensive as hell for internet wtf

No I didn't look at the speed number, it doesn't mean anything to me, I always get the cheapest option and get mad that that is too expensive

[56k no]

beer_war
Mar 10, 2005

Antigravitas posted:

Stop sucking, Die Linke, I loving beg you.

*laughs in Diether Dehm*

https://twitter.com/Nightmare_Keks/status/1573637193771491332?s=20&t=Qqk52dKaZtRVsL9gfK6S2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtJYfwzokPk&t=1425s Timestamped clip. Doesn't sound any better in context. He says the dead weren't fake, but the causes were and doesn't elaborate further. And the interviewer is basically fangirling him so of course she doesn't press him.

beer_war fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Sep 25, 2022

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyZl3APXiM4


New Spiegel TV Sachsensafari just dropped and it's fantastic

Drink every time you see an enraged wutbürger with no neck or a pasty doughman neo-nazi

Chewbaccanator
Apr 7, 2010
Its such a hard thing to make a nuanced point about Bucha, you’re really better off just not mentioning it. Why is Bucha hairsplitting a topic for a local politician? Why would your constituents care?

Always be doing materialism.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

GABA ghoul posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyZl3APXiM4


New Spiegel TV Sachsensafari just dropped and it's fantastic

Drink every time you see an enraged wutbürger with no neck or a pasty doughman neo-nazi



Amazing.

Chewbaccanator
Apr 7, 2010

is that button legal? or is it technically a charlie chaplin totenkopf?

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
§86a only relates to verfassungsfeindliche Organisationen and Hitler wasn’t an org :v:

I know this because there was discussion if one of the friends of the nazi Opa on Lindenstraße throwing Hitlers Gruß (not to be confused with the Hitlergruß) was grounds for 86a, and it’s just his individual Gruß not his org‘s Gruß :eng101: but make it :nazi101:

pidan
Nov 6, 2012


Pretty sure that button is supposed to be Lauterbach what with the glasses

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

aphid_licker posted:

Imagine the US invading Mexico on a openly declared the Spanish language and Mexican nationality don't exist and Mexico must never again have a foreign or trade policy independent of ours platform. You don't need to game out the interest matrix of all the other countries on the planet to know that the US using the existing national police, prison and military industrial complexes with their known approaches would be insanely bad for the Mexican people they manage to get their hands on.

Sounds bad, so I assume in that case we should cut off all our trade relations with the US and deliver Leopards to Mexico? Because we did none of those things the last few times they did poo poo like that. Also we really don't need any hypotheticals to make he point that the invasion sucked rear end. Even if you grant that it was very unlikely that the whole situation wouldn't end up blowing up it was still a choice to throw away any chance that it wouldn't. They also hosed it up, vastly increasing damage to the country and are prosecuting the war with noteable disregard for Ukraininan lives. Particularly their DPR and LPR proxies that did most of the dying on their side.

aphid_licker posted:

Plus it grows the Russian blackmail toolbox to include another large share of the tradable global grain surplus, on top of the other commodities they already control. Plus Ukrainian defense industry. How much more weight do you really want to give these guys to throw around?

Obvs it's up to us to decide how much pain we're willing to take, and up to the gov to soften the blows, but the case that it'd be good to keep the Ukrainians out of Russian hands seems p clear.

During the cold war it was generally agreed that the USSR was capable of rolling up the European NATO armies in a week. They didn't, first because they really didn't want to and second because of the strong likelihood that it would lead to the end of the Northern hemisphere. No matter what you think about Putin's motive the second point still applies. And modern Russia is barely able to support 50k dudes around Kiev. They're not going to conquer Europe with 50k dudes, even if they get their long delayed turbines delivered and build a big boat with a working fire suppressant system.

RabbitWizard
Oct 21, 2008

Muldoon

Simply Simon posted:

40 bux is expensive as hell for internet wtf

No I didn't look at the speed number, it doesn't mean anything to me, I always get the cheapest option and get mad that that is too expensive

https://eazy.de/ 20MBit for 14€ a month, 40MBit for 18€.
To give you an idea about the numbers: 20MBit will download ~140MB per minute or 8GB per hour. So even a recent videogame is downloaded over night. Napkin says Elden Ring 6 hours, Cyberpunk2077 9 hours. Not sure if video games are simple enough for you, it is also "5 porns at the same time in FullHD".
Upload isn't that fast, 12-13 MB a minute (no idea how big your youtubes are) or ~750MB per hour.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






20mbit lmfao what is this, 2010? Still using DSL? Get your poo poo together Germany.

RabbitWizard
Oct 21, 2008

Muldoon
Germany's advancements in Internet- und Digitalisierungstechnologien were finished after you were able to receive/send a fax to/from your e-mail address.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

spankmeister posted:

20mbit lmfao what is this, 2010? Still using DSL? Get your poo poo together Germany.

It was a deliberate politicial decision by past governments in order to favor cable television, because that was assumed to result in more favorable media coverage.

A bit later, physical internet infrastructure was considered a thing of the past and the future was seen in internet via cell networks, which got auctioned at a favorable price to big companies which then proceeded to do absolutely nothing with it.

Then the government "modernized" the laws making it easier for physicial internet infrastructure to be built, but in a manner which "accidentally" removed all incentives for ISPs to actually start building infrastructure themselves, effectively making the only areas that really get modern infrastructure certain suburban boomer enclaves who can afford to dig the necessary ditches themselves, while the urban centers have to stick with their old copper lines because having to tear up streets to get new lines in would displease the car gods.

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
FYI this is the official account of the Berlin public transit

https://twitter.com/bvg_kampagne/status/1572967206610247680?s=46&t=hOtXPQbVHzInhmdMEbWRuA

Babies Getting Rabies
Apr 21, 2007

Sugartime Jones
Also, the postmaster general (postminister) who was in charge of implementing the pro-copper cable policy happened to be married to a woman who owned and led a company which would go on to profit heavily from building out copper cable infrastructure. They would not have benefitted from building out fibre infrastructure.

Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer

Neco posted:

Symmetric becomes way more important when people work from home. Big data transfers to the sharepoint, video calls and all that good stuff.

Anyway I think the reason is lazy voters and „good enough“ mentality for things that are not catastrophic yet. We feel the consequences in other sectors too.

True but I WFH since forever and videocall, share point and even remote connecting to a Dublin server is all completely fine on my 50down/10up. Now if you up and down gigabytes of files to/from local, that may be different but then you also shouldn't complain about that kind of bandwidth being expensive. Edge cases etc.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Basically internet should be nearly free and fast as gently caress, and if you start making excuses and rationalizing having a poo poo connection you have stockholm syndrome

hazzlebarth
May 13, 2013

GABA ghoul posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyZl3APXiM4


New Spiegel TV Sachsensafari just dropped and it's fantastic

Drink every time you see an enraged wutbürger with no neck or a pasty doughman neo-nazi

SpiegelTV not holding back I see. At minute 19:39 when talking about a far right organisation "auch sie haben das Gas-Thema für sich wiederentdeckt".

Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer
Agreed, Internet access should be a human right and affordable, but clickbaity twitter shitposts from some Mitte Spacken whose requirements maybe match 1% of people are disingenious bullshit.

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GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011



hazzlebarth posted:

SpiegelTV not holding back I see. At minute 19:39 when talking about a far right organisation "auch sie haben das Gas-Thema für sich wiederentdeckt".

Lol, yeah, that guy is absolutely savage. He is the best part about the reportagen

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