Dexo posted:

They thought they were getting the QB in the Draft with the best tools ,and the best chance to become a great QB. It was a potential over production pick.

I doubt they thought their Window was even open at all last year going into the season. They probably figured they had at least a year before everything clicked like it did.

brugroffil posted:

This is my point, that their evaluation that lead them to this thought seems to have been pretty incorrect.

Dexo posted:

I mean, No, Watson hasn't been thaaat much better than what Trubs did last year(his first year wasn't great because Fox and Loggains)

A ton of people passed on Mahomes and no one thought he'd be as insane as he was.

Also it was Pace who fell in love with him. Not a scout. And I don't think Pace should be fired at all.

I'm extremely fine with an aggressive GM that ensures that he gets the player that he wants. I don't give much of a poo poo about draft spots or draft capital. It's extremely overrated. If you have a player that you love then go loving get him. If you are a good GM you can figure out the rest later even if you do botch the pick completely (which I don't think is the case with Trubs yet) It was a legit debate at the time between Trubs and Watson for QB in that draft, and they liked Trubs more. Also Trubs is playing in like his what 4th season period(College and Pros) as a QB this upcoming year as he played like a whopping 13 games in college.

Play posted:

Ah, the Gettleman approach. Brave.

Hot Diggity! posted:

half of his rookie contract is blown on him "developing."

American McGay posted:

Isn't this true for 99% of rookie QBs?

R.D. Mangles posted:

American McGay posted:

Isn't this true for 99% of rookie QBs?

Hot Diggity! posted:

In drafting Trubisky Pace is entirely hedging on him being a franchise QB because half of his rookie contract is blown on him "developing."

American McGay posted:

Yeah but I mean, unless you're somehow making the playoffs in year one or two of the rookie contract the end result is exactly the same. You can call it a development year or you can call it something else but if you're not winning in January then the end result is the same.

Dexo posted:

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1150797538557120514?s=20

Lmao

Play posted:

Carson Wentz and Jared Goff took their respective teams to the Super Bowl during their rookie deals. Both Russel Wilson and Ben Roethlisberger took their teams and also won the Super Bowl in their second seasons. So it's not like it's inevitable that a rookie QB spends his rookie deal "developing".

American McGay posted:

This doesn't prove any particular point I was just looking into it and figured it would be interesting to see the actual details. 99% was hyperbolic but I think it's still true that the majority of highly drafted QBs are ultimately unsuccessful during their rookie contracts. The "build a super team around the window of your rookie QBs cheap contract" is in vogue now and it's worked in the past, but lamenting Mitch's draft position and his first two years as "wasted on developing" is kinda weird.

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

As the years go on I'm starting to really feel like the guy who posted that long detroit lions rant on craigslist.

Especially in regards to my stepfather, who got me into this stupid team.

American McGay posted:

Not that they had the cap space or the assets to get him, but for those weird Bears fans holding out hope they'd somehow reunite with Gould, he just signed his deal for the 49ers.

Play posted:

I'd love to see that long detroit lions rant from craigslist so that I can get to know you better

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THE LIONS. THE DETROIT MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN LIONS. THE BANE OF MY FAMILY. GENERATIONS RUINED BY A LOYALTY TO AN ORGANIZATION FOREVER UNDONE BY AN UTTERLY MALEVOLENT AND IRRESISTIBLE INCOMPETENCE. WE LOVE THEM AND WE loving DESPAIR

THE ONLY loving TIME MY OLD MAN EVER EXPRESSES ANY HOPE OR OPTIMISM IS WHEN FOOTBALL SEASON APPROACHES. "HEY THEYRE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD THIS YEAR. WHO KNOWS?" WHO KNOWS? I loving KNOW AND IVE ONLY BEEN WATCHING THIS loving TEAM HALF AS LONG AS HE HAS. SIX WEEKS INTO THE SEASON THOUGH HE FINALLY GETS IT. THE LIONS DO SOME DUMB poo poo AND HES BACK TO HIS POSTGAME RITUAL OF TRASHING THE PLACE IN A MOTHERFUCKING RAGE AND GOING TO BED AT 5PM

POPS ONCE TOLD ME WITH AN INFUCKINGEXPRESSABLY SAD SERIOUSNESS "I WONT REST IN PEACE UNTIL THE LIONS WIN A SUPER BOWL. I MAY BE DEAD WHEN IT HAPPENS BUT WHEN THEY WIN ONE ILL KNOW." SERIOUSLY HE TOLD ME THAT poo poo ONCE. AND THATS WHY I WILL DESPISE MATT MILLEN UNTIL MY DYING BREATH. MATT MILLEN STOLE EIGHT YEARS FROM MY FATHER. EIGHT LONG YEARS. AND IF I EVER SEE THAT EMIL MUZZ LOOKING MOTHERFUCKER IM GONNA COLLECT THAT DEBT TO THE loving SECOND

loving LIONS. A TEAM SO loving lovely THAT IT MADE AN ARMY FIRST LIEUTENANT SAY gently caress IT I QUIT. WE LEVERAGE LEAGUE LEADERS INTO LOSING SEASONS AND ALLTIME GREATS INTO TOTAL MEDIOCRITY. WE REFLECT OUR CITYS DYSFUNCTION MISMANAGEMENT MISERY AND PIGHEADED STUPIDITY LIKE A loving MIRROR AND WE ALWAYS KID OURSELVES THAT ITS SOMEHOW GETTING BETTER. SQUEAKY FROMME WASNT AS DELUDED AS WE ARE

CHRIST THERES JUST TOO MANY MOMENTS TO CHOOSE FROM. DAN ORLOVSKY TRYING TO MAKE A PLAY FROM ROW 14 IN SECTION 100 AT THE loving METRODOME. STEFAN LOGAN FIELDING A FREE KICK BY TAKING A KNEE ON THE FOUR loving YARD LINE LIKE A loving DUNCE. TITUS YOUNG LOSING HIS ANTIPSYCHOTICS AND GOING ON SOME loving BIZARRE CRIME SPREE THAT MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN DIRECTED BY NEVELDINE/TAYLOR. TATUM BELL GETTING SHITCANNED THEN STEALING HIS TEAMMATES LUGGAGE ON HIS WAY OUT THE DOOR IN A CRIME SO loving PETTY THAT PAULIE GUALTIERI WOULD BLANCH. THIS IS A TEAM WITH A CULTURE SO hosed UP THAT ONE OF THE BEST OFFENSIVE LINEMEN IN OUR TEAM HISTORY PROUDLY DECLARED THAT HE REPEATEDLY LET HIS QB GET DEMOLISHED BECAUSE HE DIDNT LIKE THE GUY. AND THIS WAS BACK WHEN WE ACTUALLY MADE THE loving PLAYOFFS ON A REGULAR BASIS IF YOUR IMAGINATION CAN CONJURE SUCH A CIRCUMSTANCE. THATS OUR LIONS: EVEN WHEN THEYRE FLAILING ON THE CUSP OF GREATNESS THEY STILL FIND TIME TO BACKBITE AND FUMBLEFUCK AROUND. WHATEVER IT TAKES TO gently caress UP AND LET EVERYBODY DOWN. JUST DISAPPOINT BABY!

DRAFT PICKS BURNED LIKE AUTUMN LEAVES. CHARLES ROGERS CAPS HIS 12-GAME PROFESSIONAL CAREER BY THREATENING TO MURDER HIS MOTHER AND PASSING OUT IN HIS BOOTH AT ON THE BORDER IN NOVI LIKE A loving WINO. MIKE WILLIAMS SPENDS TWO YEARS FATTING AROUND IN DETROIT BEFORE GETTING FOLDED INTO A DOGSHIT TRADE WITH OAKLAND THAT ILLUSTRATED THE CONCEPT OF SUNK COST BETTER THAN ANY ECONOMICS TEXTBOOK EVER loving COULD. AND ROY WILLIAMS AFTER ALL HIS LOUDMOUTH BULLSHIT HIS MOST ENDURING CONTRIBUTION TO NFL HISTORY IS CALVIN JOHNSONS NON-SEQUITUR NICKNAME. AND ALL THE WHILE WERE DICKING AROUND WITH THESE LOSERS ANDRE JOHNSON AND DEMARCUS WARE ARE DOWN IN TEXAS RACKING UP ALLPRO HONORS LIKE REGGIE ROGERS RACKS UP VEHICULAR HOMICIDES AND BEN ROETHLISBERGER IS THE ALL-SEEING ALL-RAPING RINGBEARING FOOTBALL GOD OF YINZERLAND. THE MIND REELS

EVEN THE GOOD PICKS ARE WASTED IN THAT SPECIAL DETROIT WAY. MATTHEW STAFFORD? SURE THE loving GUY LOOKS LIKE HE SHOULD BE OUT LOOKING FOR ONE EYED WILLIES TREASURE BUT THE FACT IS HES THE FIRST LIONS QUARTERBACK IN DECADES THATS WORTH A BENT DICK AND YET SOMEHOW AFTER FOUR YEARS IN THE LEAGUE AND A COUPLE SEASONS OF MONSTER STATS AND A PLAYOFF APPEARANCE HIS CAREER HIGHLIGHT REMAINS THAT TIME IN HIS ROOKIE YEAR WHEN HE PEELED HIMSELF OFF THE FIELD TO GET THE WIN IN A SHOOTOUT WITH BRADY loving QUINN OF ALL loving CLIPBOARD STANDS. IT WAS A FEAT OF HEROISM SO BOLD AND SO MEANINGLESS IT WAS LIKE RUNNING INTO A BURNING BUILDING TO SAVE A GOLDFISH. WE WENT 2-14 THAT YEAR AND WE STILL TALK ABOUT THAT GAME LIKE IT WAS OUR PERSONAL loving SEA OF HANDS

AND CALVIN JOHNSON. NOWHERE DO GODS LOOK AS HELPLESS AS THEY DO IN DETROIT. SURE WE WERE ALL PISSED WHEN THAT FRECKLED FUCKSTICK JON GRUDEN SAID CJS RECORDBREAKING SEASON LAST YEAR WAS GARBAGE BUT REALLY HE MAYBE KINDA HAD A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING OF SORT OF A loving POINT. WHAT GOOD IS BEING ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE WHEN YOUR GAMES DONT MEAN poo poo AND YOURE NEVER GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL? poo poo JUST ASK BARRY SANDERS. GREATEST RUNNING BACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE loving GAME AND THE LIONS DROVE HIM RIGHT THE gently caress OUT OF FOOTBALL ALTOGETHER

COACHES COME TO DETROIT TO loving DIE AND OFTEN RIGHTLY SO. THAT loving IMBECILE MARTY MORNHINWEG FOR INSTANCE. loving GUY WINNING THE COIN TOSS THEN STUPEFUCKINGFYINGLY GIVING THE MOTHERFUCKING BALL TO THE MOTHERFUCKING loving BEARS WHO OF COURSE PROMPTLY SCORE. HE SHOULDVE BEEN COURT-MARTIALED AND EXECUTED RIGHT THEN AND loving THERE. EITHER THEN OR THAT TIME HE MADE SOME BIG PRODUCTION OF ROARING OUT OF PRACTICE ON HIS HARLEY LIKE HE WAS CLAY loving MORROW AND NOT SOME OVERPROMOTED DIPSHIT WITH NO BUSINESS WHATSOEVER MANNING THE CAPTAINS WHEEL. I CAN SCARCELY DREAM UP A MORE FITTING HELL FOR AN rear end in a top hat LIKE THAT THAN BEING TASKED WITH UNTANGLING THE LOW RENT QUARTERBACK CLUSTERFUCK IN THE JETS CAMP

THEN IT WAS STEVE MARIUCCI. THE MITT ROMNEY OF NFL COACHES. THAT BLAND WEATHERMAN VENEER OF COMPETENCE WITH THE UNMISTAKABLE AIR OF A MAN WHO WOULD RATHER BE ANYFUCKINGPLACE ELSE. DUDE ONLY CAME TO DETROIT AS A FAVOR TO HIS FAT STUPID FRIEND WHO WAS TOO loving DUMB TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS HIMSELF. KINDA LIKE NED STARK. TURNED OUT ABOUT THE SAME WAY FOR HIM TOO

AFTER THAT WAS MARINELLI BRINGING THE KIND OF DARK ARITHMETIC THAT TRANSFORMS 6-2 TO 7-9 TO 0-16. ILL GIVE HIM PROPS FOR MAKING JON KITNA HIS GUY THOUGH. I MEAN poo poo YOU HAD TO LIKE KITNA. JUST A SCRAPPY MOTHERFUCKER WITH A LOT OF BALLS AND A LOT LESS TALENT WHO COULD TAKE A HELL OF A BEATING AND TALK REGRETTABLE poo poo WITH THE BEST OF THEM. HE REMINDED ME OF MIKEY WHIPWRECK. EXCEPT MIKEY ACTUALLY WON A CHAMPIONSHIP

NOW ITS COACH SCHWARTZ SWIRLING DOWN THE DRAIN. HE TAKES HIS FASHION CUES FROM THE DOG WHISPERER AND ALL HE THINKS ABOUT ON GAMEDAY IS WHETHER HE SHOULD LISTEN TO BILLY SQUIER OR THE loving SCORPIONS AND HE SWEATS AND STAMMERS THROUGH EVERY loving PRESS CONFERENCE LIKE HES AFRAID WHOOPI GOLDBERG IS GONNA TELL DEMI MOORE THAT HE HIRED WILLIE LOPEZ TO MURDER HIS BEST FRIEND PATRICK SWAYZE. BUT AT LEAST HIS HEARTS IN IT. AND THAT PASSIONS GONNA SERVE HIM WELL IN A YEAR AFTER HES SCORED THAT PLUM ASSISTANT DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR GIG WITH THE JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

SURE THEYRE MOVING SOME PIECES INTO PLACE THIS YEAR. THEYRE SHORING UP THE SECONDARY THEYVE DONE A HALF DECENT JOB OF REBUILDING THE OFFENSIVE LINE AND THEY MADE SOME SMART FREE AGENT SIGNINGS ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO THAT BULLSHIT "NAH MAN WERE GOOD" OFFSEASON FOLLOWING THE 2011 SEASON. AND OF COURSE CALVIN JOHNSON IS AS INDOMITABLE AS EVER. BUT SEE NONE OF THIS MATTERS. THESE ARE THE DETROIT loving LIONS WERE TALKING ABOUT. EVEN IF ITS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO EVEN IF MY EVERY LAST loving ROCKHARD REGULAR SEASON FANTASY COMES TRUE IN THE END SOMEHOW THEY WILL UNDO IT ALL. THEYLL FIGURE IT OUT. THEYLL FIND A WAY. STAFFORD COULD THROW FOR 5500 YARDS CALVIN JOHNSON COULD BREAK A DOZEN MORE RECORDS FAIRLEY AND SUH COULD TERRORIZE QBS LIKE A COUPLE OF loving RHINOCEROSES EVERY WEEK AND THEY COULD BATTER THEIR WAY TO AN 12-4 RECORD AND THEY WILL STILL GET BOUNCED IN THE FIRST ROUND BY THE PHILADELPHIA loving EAGLES OR SOME OTHER JUST-GLAD-TO-BE-HERE NO-SHOT poo poo SQUAD IN A DEADLY DULL 10-3 DETROIT DOGFUCKING. BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO THE DETROIT LIONS THERE IS NO FAIRY TALE. THE COACH IS A PUMPKIN AND CINDERELLAS JUST A DUMB WHORE IN RAGS. ITS ALL JUST A BIG JERKOFF. A SADISTIC loving TORTURE GAME PUT ON FOR THE AMUSEMENT OF MILLIONAIRES WITH MISTER RICTUS HIMSELF WILLIAM CLAY loving FORD SENIOR PULLING THE STRINGS. HA HA MADE YA CARE!

UGH. loving LIONS

Dexo posted:

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1150797538557120514?s=20

Lmao

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

Sataere posted:

How have I never seen this?

The best thing about this is that you can tell it was written right before a very precipitous fall for the Lions. In the course of a couple years, Suh is gone. Megatron retires. This is almost prophetic.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

On the other hand, swap out some of the players and change the dates and you could write the exact same screed now.

lions fandom is eternal torment, it always has been and always will be, inshallah

GNU Order posted:

"What a meaningless and absurd way to spend money on something to make you feel like you're literally a part of the Packers organization" I scoff as I glance up to my framed Packers stock certificate

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

If it weren't for the Lions, I would still believe in stupid things like hope and happiness.

Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to live in a city with a football team that makes it deep into the playoffs once and awhile. I bet it makes you a better person.

tinstaach posted:

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1153620561878290433

Slay might be as important if not moreso than Stafford to the Lions, because if he's not starting then Teez Tabor might be, and you might as well just forfeit at that point

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Teez is such a disappointing bust.

Styles Bitchley posted:

I really hope he can turn it around. He seems incredibly humbled and self critical this season, and a good guy.

Really though last season, you have to put some of that on coaching. Granted our offense was not exactly iron to sharpen iron, but what was he showing in practice? It's one thing to have a bad player, it's another to continue to put him on the field and allow him to be a liability to the team. This is the same team that let Matthew Stafford continue to play with a loving broke back and bad knee, and refuses to get a remotely competent backup.

Draft busts happen but there are bigger things to worry about with the Lions.