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the bitcoin of weed posted:it's really cool how the obama admin did basically everything as wrong as possible One of the amazing parts of the ACA you don't hear about much is how the Fiscally Responsible, Policy-Smart Dems put a cap on Medicare budget growth that was too low to match the growth of the medical industry, but also made it against the law to increase the amount beneficiaries pay because if they didn't they automatically lose every election for the next 20 years, and as a result the only place in the system to cut is disbursements so providers are paid about 80% as much from Medicare as from regular insurers (and it'll be even less in the future). The result of this system is if you have Medicare most good doctors won't take you on as a patient through no fault of your own
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GalacticAcid posted:keith praises reagan and supported the libya intevention I've always thought that Keith, while better than most Democrats, isn't actually significantly outside the norm. I'm not sure if I could see him supporting ideas as "radical" as a wealth tax (like Sanders did as a MfA funding mechanism). I think there's at least some degree of people really wishing they could just throw their full unhesitating support behind someone, and Keith doesn't have the same "controversial" aspect as Sanders.
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the bitcoin of weed posted:it's really cool how the obama admin did basically everything as wrong as possible the even cooler part is how idiots still think obama was “the best” president or even “a good” president.
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tower time posted:Yeah, I was already going to the caucus because we have a 7-way race for governor and if no candidate gets more than 35% of the vote the nomination will be decided by the state democratic party. I want to make sure we send a delegate supporting the left-most candidate in the race. I hope someone tries to primary him from the left, but it seems like the big money and focus has been going into primary battles for the gov race and the other congressional districts. Worst case i will write someone in letting the state party play the role of king maker seems extremely bad
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:the even cooler part is how idiots still think obama was “the best” president or even “a good” president. you gotta wonder if back in the day james buchanan had the same culty dead-enders praising how he kept peace even as ft. sumter was burning
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:the even cooler part is how idiots still think obama was “the best” president or even “a good” president. neither of those things are in conflict with being a piece of poo poo tbh
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Jeb! Repetition posted:One of the amazing parts of the ACA you don't hear about much is how the Fiscally Responsible, Policy-Smart Dems put a cap on Medicare budget growth that was too low to match the growth of the medical industry, but also made it against the law to increase the amount beneficiaries pay because if they didn't they automatically lose every election for the next 20 years, and as a result the only place in the system to cut is disbursements so providers are paid about 80% as much from Medicare as from regular insurers (and it'll be even less in the future). This would actually be brilliant if they have the secret goal of making sure we never have more socialized medicine by making everyone hate Medicare
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Willie Tomg posted:you gotta wonder if back in the day james buchanan had the same culty dead-enders praising how he kept peace even as ft. sumter was burning I mean, it's a well-known phenomenon that has been consistent as long as I've been paying attention The best president is the current president, if you voted for him, or the last president you voted for otherwise The worst president is the current president, if you voted against him, or the last president you voted against otherwise People generally have a maximum memory of 2 presidents, counting the current one
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Willie Tomg posted:you gotta wonder if back in the day james buchanan had the same culty dead-enders praising how he kept peace even as ft. sumter was burning they were called the Liberal Republicans and they were the main congressional voices against meaningful Reconstruction in the militarily occupied south e: they became Andrew Johnson's main cheerleaders after Lincoln was shot
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:the even cooler part is how idiots still think obama was “the best” president or even “a good” president. tbf if you don't pay attention to politics he seems great, and trump keeps bringing up the few good things he did(to destroy them) so it's kinda easy to see how that could happen
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I was listening to NPR on the way home yesterday (Fresh Air specifically) and they were interviewing those Harvard professors who wrote the book about Trump and "how democracies die" that was mentioned earlier in this thread. It was so dumb. They heavily implied that it's a good thing for political parties to have gatekeepers in "smoky backrooms" in order to prevent demagogues from reaching power, and that the move to primaries in 1972 was a bad thing. All in order to defend democracy, which is hilariously ironic. They also made it sound like Trump specifically is the danger, and the problem is how Trump diverges from mainstream Republican norms. Among the "demagogues" they mentioned (again with the implication they were dangerous and it was good they were prevented from getting power) was Huey Long, lol. The genuinely stupid, even in an academic/non-ideological sense, aspect of their argument (and similar arguments) is that it cherry picks the similarities between Trump and demagogues who have eroded/destroyed democracies and ignores the differences. There are various reasons to believe the Trump isn't actually trying to become a dictator (and is too incompetent to do it even if he wanted to), and it also ignores the fact that many other Republican presidents have also taken actions to erode democracy (heck, most things were done by non-Trump Republicans prior to his election). edit: The argument also heavily implies that the status quo is a great thing that must be preserved, which is an incredibly privileged perspective (though not surprising coming from a couple Harvard professors). Arguments about the danger of our democracy being destroyed generally ignore the massive injustice occurring under our present system. Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 20:22 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Finicums Wake posted:letting the state party play the role of king maker seems extremely bad welcome to New York.
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Ytlaya posted:I was listening to NPR on the way home yesterday (Fresh Air specifically) and they were interviewing those Harvard professors who wrote the book about Trump and "how democracies die" that was mentioned earlier in this thread. NPR is funded by the Koch brother's ya dingus, don't listen to it
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my mom recently talked to me after seeing an obama interview and commented on his quiet dignity or whatever and we finally had to have The Talk about how obama actually loving sucks to her credit she agreed but said she was just so fuckin' tired of trump that it was nice to see someone who could speak like an adult
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:the even cooler part is how idiots still think obama was “the best” president or even “a good” president. ive said it before but heres the complete and exhaustive list of good presidents america has had: 1. FDR 2. lincoln shittiest two are probably W and andrew johnson
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Ytlaya posted:The genuinely stupid, even in an academic/non-ideological sense, aspect of their argument (and similar arguments) is that it cherry picks the similarities between Trump and demagogues who have eroded/destroyed democracies and ignores the differences. There are various reasons to believe the Trump isn't actually trying to become a dictator (and is too incompetent to do it even if he wanted to), and it also ignores the fact that many other Republican presidents have also taken actions to erode democracy (heck, most things were done by non-Trump Republicans prior to his election). trump's main problem is that he thinks he's already a dictator, and while that's not exactly wrong it's not right either
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:NPR is funded by the Koch brother's ya dingus, don't listen to it Well, this wasn't so much NPR as the Harvard professors who wrote that book (since Fresh Air is just an interview show, not a news show, and it's actually usually pretty decent for interviews).
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:NPR is funded by the Koch brother's ya dingus, don't listen to it its a decent ~News Source Of Record~ for getting a reasonably unpretentious technocratic centrist line, plus whatever fascists they have on as interview subjects. it can't all be chapo and cum town
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Yinlock posted:my mom recently talked to me after seeing an obama interview and commented on his quiet dignity or whatever and we finally had to have The Talk about how obama actually loving sucks p much every boomer is like this
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loquacius posted:p much every boomer is like this boomers are generally fine with trump as long as browns are suffering
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GalacticAcid posted:you might as well look at political positions of different meyers briggs categories The #Resistance people who blatantly only care about Trump because he is rude and vulgar are all boomers, fite me
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Ytlaya posted:I was listening to NPR on the way home yesterday (Fresh Air specifically) and they were interviewing those Harvard professors who wrote the book about Trump and "how democracies die" that was mentioned earlier in this thread. this is from a recent review of this book (i think its the same one) which is pretty loving funny https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/01/trump-exceptionalism-will-kill-every-last-one-of-your-brain-cells quote:
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FactsAreUseless posted:On par with every other major U.S. news organization, so absolute dogshit
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Shear Modulus posted:ive said it before but heres the complete and exhaustive list of good presidents america has had: reagan is the shittiest for a whole lot of reasons
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the arguments of "we have to rig the polls and squash dissent and criticism of the government in order to save democracy from authoritarianism" is of course the exact same argument that was done to justify those actions during the cold war. democracy inc by wolin had an interesting summary of this with a lot of quotes of lovely 60s-70s Thought Leadership and US intelligence strategies
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Yinlock posted:so absolute dogshit
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Jeb! Repetition posted:One of the amazing parts of the ACA you don't hear about much is how the Fiscally Responsible, Policy-Smart Dems put a cap on Medicare budget growth that was too low to match the growth of the medical industry, but also made it against the law to increase the amount beneficiaries pay because if they didn't they automatically lose every election for the next 20 years, and as a result the only place in the system to cut is disbursements so providers are paid about 80% as much from Medicare as from regular insurers (and it'll be even less in the future). medicare recipients, like medicaid recipients, have pretty much been bucketed into managed-care plans these days. You can still get a good medicare supplemental PPO if you're willing to pay for it (above and beyond the Part B premiums of $135/month for all but the poorest olds), but for $0 additional premiums a month olds can get no-copay, no-deductible, all-drugs-covered managed-care plans for that $135. incentivizing managed-care plans was also a part of the ACA, which is why you have 80 percent & upward of medicaid recipients using those plans, especially in blue states.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Don't worry guys, dems got them right where they want them charlie brown at least meant well while being a gigantic loving loser
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Finicums Wake posted:letting the state party play the role of king maker seems extremely bad Yeah. I only recently learned about it because the last competitive Democratic primary for a Governor's nomination here was in 2005 when I was in high school. Even then it was a three way race rather than a clown car field of seven. I'm a supporter of Cathy Glasson, a nursing union organizer who is running on m4a and a $15 min wage that is then tied to inflation after. The state party is more likely to choose Fred Hubbell, who is a multimillionaire CEO that ran a regional equivalent of Macy's and is running on economic development and re-instating planned parenthood funding. Then there is Nate Boulton, a sort of generic state senator that is well connected in Des Moines and has a relatively good voting record. Rounding it out are Andy Mgcuire, the former IDP chair that oversaw this last election and massive democratic losses and was the Clinton campaign organizer in the state in 2008. Ross Wilburn is a former mayor of Iowa City, I really know nothing about jon Neiderbach, and John Norris seems like a good man who was behind a lot of democratic victories in Iowa in past and really reads the pulse of things right - he worked for Jesse Jackson's campaign back in 1988 and Sanders in 2016.
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