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Instant Sunrise posted:good. there's no way to make that argument without coming across like a brocialist who insists that everything is totally really about class I agree. I also think that the two issues are fundamentally related so closely as to be the same. Racism is classism, and classism is racism, in America. They don't so much as intersect as form two strands of the baseline DNA of our nation and you cannot fix one without fixing the other.
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Lightning Knight posted:I agree. I also think that the two issues are fundamentally related so closely as to be the same. Racism is classism, and classism is racism, in America. They don't so much as intersect as form two strands of the baseline DNA of our nation and you cannot fix one without fixing the other. There are absolutely discrete qualities in American racism.
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CommieGIR posted:Oklahoma's Governor Mary Fallin has declared a day of prayer.... Have to appease the earthquake gods after all the fracking they allowed without any oversight.
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Pick posted:Yeah, my biggest complaint about the debate is yeah okay fine foreign policy is important but can we have a question about K-12 education ever, please, at all, whatsoever. Trump's campaign is so bad at foreign policy that we can't get past it. He makes so many really obvious gaffes about the subject that the media can't help themselves from diving back in. It sucks because the Clinton/Kaine campaign does well on other subjects, as shown by Kaine's answer to the abortion question at the end of the debate. Clinton's campaign is trying to bring up kids and families in ads, but people love watching burning wrecks too much.
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Lightning Knight posted:I agree. I also think that the two issues are fundamentally related so closely as to be the same. Racism is classism, and classism is racism, in America. They don't so much as intersect as form two strands of the baseline DNA of our nation and you cannot fix one without fixing the other. It's this line of thinking that led to Bernie losing so badly with minorities.
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Doctor Butts posted:This hits too close to home. I've started searching for non-explicit versions of some of those old tunes so my kid can listen to them on car rides. congratulations, you're this lady https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv2uJRkeSY4
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Pick posted:There are absolutely discrete qualities in American racism. Yes there are. Racism and classic are their own unique entities and a rich black person still feels racism. I was probably being hyperbolic, but the basic point I wanted to make is that an arbitrary list of "which is more important" doesn't matter because you have to fix both to get results. You can't leave black people poor, and you can't help them out of poverty so long as poor whites are convinced they should hate black people more than the rich and powerful. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Well then can Trump please say something ridiculously stupid about K-12 education? Like that children shouldn't get sex education, but they should get sexy education? Bring back home ec with a focus on "knockers"? Come on!
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Instant Sunrise posted:good. there's no way to make that argument without coming across like a brocialist who insists that everything is totally really about class The real war is class warfare. But wars are made up of battles, and the most important battles include racism and sexism. If we're not willing to fight those battles then we're really not being honest about wanting to win the war.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:The real war is class warfare. This is probably a better way to say what I'm apparently failing to say.
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Katreus posted:Ryan plans to steamroll Democrats with budget tool But no really Jill Stein Clinton is a more dangerous president than Trump would be because the government would totally block Trump from doing anything.....
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Alec Bald Snatch posted:congratulations, you're this lady Not at all.
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Jezebel article about thread darlings Keepin' it 1600 had this as the top-rated comment, which is something important to keep in mind.Floorgasm posted:I’m a Hill staffer, and I’ve worked in politics since the late 1990s. (I’ve only worked with Dan Pfeiffer, and while he wasn’t bad, he wasn’t that great either.) As heartened as I was by the stories of Obama's female staffers effectively employing amplification to make themselves heard, it's depressing that they needed to and that's one concrete thing I think the Hillary White House will be better at. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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I really don't understand why Ryan is more overtly backing Trump when he is currently at the most disastrously weak point of his entire campaign. Hillary is winning the national vote in every polling aggregate by 5-7 points and is winning in key battleground states by even more than that. We are just over a month away from the election and every single bit of momentum is firmly on Hillllarys side with another debate just around the corner. Why is Ryan not distancing himself from the Trump as fast as he can?
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One of my BFFs is a woman of color and DNC delegate among other things and she despises those guys.
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Couple of interesting tidbits from Trump Camp: https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/784122190555848704 and https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/784122049275031552
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I really don't understand why Ryan is more overtly backing Trump when he is currently at the most disastrously weak point of his entire campaign. Hillary is winning the national vote in every polling aggregate by 5-7 points and is winning in key battleground states by even more than that. We are just over a month away from the election and every single bit of momentum is firmly on Hillllarys side with another debate just around the corner. Why is Ryan not distancing himself from the Trump as fast as he can? He's in a safe district and he's trying to play the "but guys if you elect Trump we can dismantle Obama's terrible legacy and give everyone mad tax breaks" card. It won't work because the fundamental fault in his assumption is that people hate Obama.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I really don't understand why Ryan is more overtly backing Trump when he is currently at the most disastrously weak point of his entire campaign. Hillary is winning the national vote in every polling aggregate by 5-7 points and is winning in key battleground states by even more than that. We are just over a month away from the election and every single bit of momentum is firmly on Hillllarys side with another debate just around the corner. Why is Ryan not distancing himself from the Trump as fast as he can? It's less distancing himself from Trump and more making a point that he's not going to simply roll over and let Clinton pass whatever she wants when she wins and the dems take the senate. It's red meat to his base.
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canepazzo posted:Couple of interesting tidbits from Trump Camp: For a while it looked like Colorado was more likely to tip than NH. Anyway this may have been realistic before his debate meltdown. Now we just have to see if the AP can go a full month without writing an easily disproven hitpiece.
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A Winner is Jew posted:It's less distancing himself from Trump and more making a point that he's not going to simply roll over and let Clinton pass whatever she wants when she wins and the dems take the senate. I think it's also an attempt to show Republicans just how overwhelming of power could be theirs if they bite the bullet and assume they can control the fascist. It's an attempt to get the party back on board and try to win.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It's this line of thinking that led to Bernie losing so badly with minorities. This isn't nearly as true as people want it to be. Bernie lost minorities because Clinton had been doing 24 years of minority outreach before Bernie started campaigning. Like the Sanders campaign went after white votes because the cost of siphoning off minority votes from Clinton was astronomical. Clinton had them pretty well buttoned up since the jump and it was going to cost an inordinate amount of money per vote to sway them.
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Alec Bald Snatch posted:congratulations, you're this lady Eh, the comedy factor of six year olds calling people cunts would quickly wear thin.
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Bushiz posted:This isn't nearly as true as people want it to be. Bernie lost minorities because Clinton had been doing 24 years of minority outreach before Bernie started campaigning. Not only that, but Bernie wasn't running on "racism and classism are equally important and we must fix both," he was running on "racism isn't as important as classism, eat the rich and ignore everything else." Until BLM literally shoved it in his face he tried really hard not to engage with racial issues. Edit: which, to be fair, is a legitimate strategy if you're just running to pull the party left. It's a horrible strategy if you want to win.
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I think there's a pretty big difference between a woman breaking down in tears about how you can tell they're swearing even though there's edits and wanting the clean version so you can listen to it around younger kids.
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Bushiz posted:This isn't nearly as true as people want it to be. Bernie lost minorities because Clinton had been doing 24 years of minority outreach before Bernie started campaigning. They're interrelated. Bernie thought his policies would be appealing enough to overcome the several decades of outreach from Hillary. He didn't consider why those issues were important.
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canepazzo posted:Couple of interesting tidbits from Trump Camp:
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Endorph posted:so, wait, hold on. that insane bit where he mispronounced the state's name and made the governor tell him to gently caress off was trump in a state that his campaign told him he had to win? That was his idea of a speech to rally the state towards his side? Have you noticed Trump is kind of stupid.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I think there's a pretty big difference between a woman breaking down in tears about how you can tell they're swearing even though there's edits and wanting the clean version so you can listen to it around younger kids. some people make it all the way to adulthood and still really want to tell you how dumb their mom is for not wanting them to cuss it's a pretty dumb crusade
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https://twitter.com/POLITICO_Steve/status/784129352632045568 Drudge is now pushing the "the storm isn't that bad" angle because obviously it's a left-wing conspiracy to make things look worse than they are to boost fears of global warming. Or something.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Jezebel article about thread darlings Keepin' it 1600 had this as the top-rated comment, which is something important to keep in mind. I would just like to say that I'm very happy to learn that the Keeping it 1600 dudes are as obnoxious as they always seemed to me. Everything they said always sounded vaguely like tech bros bragging about celebs they awkwardly introduced themselves to when they bought their way into a party on ibiza
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canepazzo posted:Couple of interesting tidbits from Trump Camp: Pack it in.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I think there's a pretty big difference between a woman breaking down in tears about how you can tell they're swearing even though there's edits and wanting the clean version so you can listen to it around younger kids. also there's a certain irony in somebody talking nostalgically about christina aguilera, britney speaks, n*sync and the backstreet boys as being clean and wholesome when a lot of us remember the hand-wringing and complaining from "concerned parents" groups about how overly sexual those artists were at the time.
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I had to double take the date on this one, very clever mister.
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overdesigned posted:https://twitter.com/POLITICO_Steve/status/784129352632045568 Steven Shepard is spot on. This is going to be Hurricane Andrew level bad for parts of Florida. It hasn't "fizzled out" at all. People are going to be hosed.
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Seriously who the gently caress cares about Bernie. He ran in the primary and he lost. There is always someone who loses. Were people still theorizing about a Howard Dean presidency in October?
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I would have thought Donald would be on-hand to hand out a single box of play-dough, thus guaranteeing him the hearts and minds of the American people.
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canepazzo posted:Couple of interesting tidbits from Trump Camp: How was the polling leading up to 1968?
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BiohazrD posted:Pack it in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsZUGoa3JHc&t=148s
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