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I hope I don't get a Respec Order; I'm happy with the talents I have now
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Jan 28, 2024 15:28
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If you type x.com in the search bar it now redirects as twitter.com! Wonder if Melon Husk has had a change of mind? Haven't signed in to it for about a month now and pretty sure my blood pressure has benefitted. Now I'm confused DOT com - the wiki said it's always been this way but it hasn't. A friend on FB also pointed it out. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jan 28, 2024 |
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Jan 28, 2024 15:41
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The human's output will be considered and driven by emotion and subconscious desire. The generative AI's output will necessarily be derivative and formulaic by its very nature. (Also I'm not sure that there even is a subconscious, Nick Chater makes a solid argument in The Mind Is Flat that we're thinking about what we're thinking about, not hidden desires.) From the rationalist to the romantic, John Ruskin says that the best artists are those who can truly observe the beauty in nature, his God is a non-human creator of art. I think that's why it's probably best focusing on the work and worker aspects, because what when a machine can create art with emotion and cultural meaning more reliably than a toaster?
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Jan 28, 2024 15:42
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Guavanaut posted:otoh people have been moved to religious ecstasy by patterns in toast, so it definitely can work on occasion, with suitable cultural priming of our own net. I've got that book to read. Was it you recommended it in an earlier iteration of this thread? I did try a while back but didn't have the mental headspace for reading anything requiring much thought. Now I've cut my working hours down to 10 a week since New Year, I'm gradually regaining my reading head.
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Jan 28, 2024 15:45
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Mega Comrade posted:One funny thing about the "don't go after the tool!" argument I often see with dangerous technology is its basically a variation on the NRAs famous 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people'. Fixing the ills of society that allow these tools to be dangerous is incredibly hard. Not really, because guns don't really add anything. A world without guns wouldn't create or produce any less than one with guns. I do get what you're saying but they're not like for like. Anyway my point wasn't that we should just do nothing, more that we should accept these developments and incorporate them into any strategy, not just reject them wholesale. I'm all for pushing to regulate the use of things like AI more strictly, but there's a certain camp of people who seem to want to oppose the whole technology outright, which regardless of any arguments for and against is just a dead end because, well, it does exist and you can't just roll back that kind of innovation. On guns specifically I am personally very comfortable with strict regulation because I don't want to risk being shot going to Sainsbury's, but it's worth remembering that even that's not a totally cut and dry socialist position. Marx for example would have been very opposed to strict gun regulation because in his thinking an armed and organised working class was an overwhelmingly good thing, because how else would they effectively resist and assert power over the bourgeoisie? This is actually one of those sticking points where I do actually agree with his analysis - if only the police and army have weapons the weight of power is shifted massively in favour of the status quo, and I'm purely against that for relatively selfish short term reasons. Ofc as we see in e.g. the USA you need to have a good amount of class consciousness and solidarity to do anything with that, otherwise you just have the same poo poo combined with mass shootings. Having no widespread gun ownership is a double edged sword, because it makes day to day life a lot safer but on the other hand absolutely goes a long way to neutralising one major potential threat to the capitalist state. I'm still by no means supportive of everyone being able to own an assault rifle but I think it's worth acknowledging the implications of that for the class struggle.
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Jan 28, 2024 16:05
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I've got that book to read. Was it you recommended it in an earlier iteration of this thread? I did try a while back but didn't have the mental headspace for reading anything requiring much thought. Now I've cut my working hours down to 10 a week since New Year, I'm gradually regaining my reading head.
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Jan 28, 2024 16:05
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ThomasPaine posted:Guns You missed the point of the analogy. But this discussion has run it's course and is boring everyone now so I'm just gonna drop it.
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Jan 28, 2024 16:25
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Mega Comrade posted:You missed the point of the analogy. Not really. A spinning jenny makes stuff quicker, an AI can do similar through machine learning. A gun doesn't. My other point about guns wasn't related to that point, just something else I found interesting. But fine, fine, let's leave it there.
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Jan 28, 2024 16:31
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What I'm saying is arm the proletariat with AI and maybe the robots will do the thing humans couldn't do: the hard work of actually destroying capitalism.
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Jan 28, 2024 16:53
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Revolution as a service when?
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Jan 28, 2024 16:57
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Azza Bamboo posted:What I'm saying is arm the proletariat with AI and maybe the robots will do the thing humans couldn't do: the hard work of actually destroying capitalism. by destroying all humans presumably
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Jan 28, 2024 17:00
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ThomasPaine posted:Anyway my point wasn't that we should just do nothing, more that we should accept these developments and incorporate them into any strategy, not just reject them wholesale. I'm all for pushing to regulate the use of things like AI more strictly, but there's a certain camp of people who seem to want to oppose the whole technology outright, which regardless of any arguments for and against is just a dead end because, well, it does exist and you can't just roll back that kind of innovation. Pointing out that there are huge environmental, economic and social consequences to their use is a perfectly reasonable response when those things are true. It doesn't mean I expect them to be magicked away, I just reserve the right to say a thing is poo poo when it's poo poo, especially if it doesn't look like its going away any time soon.
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Jan 28, 2024 17:12
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I'd be more comfortable if I did believe that it could only ever create soulless composite slop incapable of any higher meaning or purpose. Both because that would still leave a space for everything from high art to ad photos to community murals where you need to impart meaning, but also because I'm pretty sure that as soon as someone figures out the "pattern + cultural background + current mental state = meaningful response" bit some techbro is just going to start mashing the Nazi button. Behavioural Author: In my book Don't Press The Nazi Button I invented the Nazi Button as a cautionary tale Elon Musk: Interesting
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Jan 28, 2024 17:13
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That's already happening, they're already generating AI big titty tradwife pictures to post at each other. The reconstituted myriadactyl slop of a thousand 1950's advertisements and norman rockwell paintings.
OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jan 28, 2024 |
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Jan 28, 2024 17:18
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Yeah that kind of thing is going to be super fun when it gets combined with the demographic advertising algorithms that gave us and the kind of money that flies around during US elections later this year. Not fun, the other one.
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Jan 28, 2024 17:29
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Guavanaut posted:It was when I found it. The only reason you're seeing a response is because the media class now feel personally threatened. Otherwise we'd just get the same sort of vague ineffectual handwringing from the liberal end we got when the coalmines closed down and basically 'tough poo poo, harden up' from the other end.
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Jan 28, 2024 17:36
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The Telegraph currently has a whole section devoted to preparing the country for war 
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Jan 28, 2024 17:37
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ThomasPaine posted:Marx for example would have been very opposed to strict gun regulation because in his thinking an armed and organised working class was an overwhelmingly good thing, because how else would they effectively resist and assert power over the bourgeoisie? Even in Marx's time, as for example the Paris Commune showed (or Napoleon's 'whiff of grapeshot' even), it's not all that much help if the working class have easy access to bolt action rifles when the government has access to field artillery. Unless you're proposing being able to go down Tesco's and buy a Challenger tank, it's a bit of a non-starter these days.
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Jan 28, 2024 17:39
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smellmycheese posted:The Telegraph currently has a whole section devoted to preparing the country for war Where is this coming from? Seen various war things recently e.g. an LBC call-in challenging the woke-electuals on not signing up for war.
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Jan 28, 2024 17:48
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Right wing idiots whos action movie view of wars is that theres always a guy you can go point a gun at and the whole thing will immediately stop. There is a global state of war, it's just not a war that can really be stopped by invading anywhere. Quite the opposite in fact.
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Jan 28, 2024 17:54
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love the image of a barricade around the houses of parliament as if Russia is going to actually launch a ground invasion of the UK at any time in the remotely foreseeable future
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Jan 28, 2024 17:56
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Angepain posted:love the image of a barricade around the houses of parliament as if Russia is going to actually launch a ground invasion of the UK at any time in the remotely foreseeable future That's just their new protest laws
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Jan 28, 2024 18:08
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Nice of them to build right and left hand variants of the tanks so they look good guarding roads.
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Jan 28, 2024 18:11
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what https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1751374184482029849
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Jan 28, 2024 18:44
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Jan 28, 2024 18:46
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^^^ I think they are trying to gaslight the population into believing that starvation is actually a good thing and something to aspire to.... in preparation for, er, well, starvation probably. In other news I found this nugget of info interesting: https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1751614354976350265
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Jan 28, 2024 18:48
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Entire economy is based around shipping people to and from rwanda.
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Jan 28, 2024 18:50
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Are you loving having a laugh
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Jan 28, 2024 18:51
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It's not technically eating if you put the beans up your backside.
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Jan 28, 2024 18:52
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My man's got the Trident launch codes and he's on no scran from Mon-Tues
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Jan 28, 2024 18:56
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If I woke up and saw the state of the loving country I was responsible for it would put me off me breakfast sausage to be fair
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Jan 28, 2024 18:59
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making decisions on low blood sugar is a sign of real leadership
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Jan 28, 2024 19:03
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OwlFancier posted:That's already happening, they're already generating AI big titty tradwife pictures to post at each other. The reconstituted myriadactyl slop of a thousand 1950's advertisements and norman rockwell paintings. https://twitter.com/irynalahoda/status/1751015152835838001?s=46
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Jan 28, 2024 19:06
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fuctifino posted:^^^ I think they are trying to gaslight the population into believing that starvation is actually a good thing and something to aspire to.... in preparation for, er, well, starvation probably. Looking forward to the British version of Let's Eat Only Two Meals A Day 
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Jan 28, 2024 19:06
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Nuclear Spoon posted:making decisions on low blood sugar is a sign of real leadership Eat out to help out confirmed to just be rishi wanting breakfast.
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Jan 28, 2024 19:08
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Eat nowt to help out e: Judgement day tomorrow for Lozza https://twitter.com/GBNewsSpin/status/1751671538779074824 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jan 28, 2024 |
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Jan 28, 2024 19:12
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domhal posted:Where is this coming from? Seen various war things recently e.g. an LBC call-in challenging the woke-electuals on not signing up for war. A general went on the air to argue that army recruitment is too low and offered up a "at this rate, if we went to war with Russia, we'd need to reintroduce conscription" soundbite, and in response the entirety of UK journalism decided to unironically re-enact the "IT'S WAR!!!!" bit from The Day Today.
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Jan 28, 2024 19:29
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https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1751672931103408461?s=20 What a stupid loving party lol, I'm really looking forward to not voting for them
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Jan 28, 2024 19:39
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God they're poo poo
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Jan 28, 2024 19:43
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lol, cyberbullying works: https://x.com/lisanandy/status/1751671762914263484?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q
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Jan 28, 2024 19:52
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