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CityMidnightJunky posted:Are there any backyard/deathmatches that are, you know, good? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSdMiVV_fnQ Also doubles as the best women's match I've ever seen.
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This still cracks me up. I wonder what their thought process was in figuring that neither one of them would get hurt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuhoF6kqoo
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Aug 5, 2016 20:33
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They sold that good though. They could be the next Mikey Whipwreck with enough training.
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Aug 5, 2016 20:39
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Part 2 has the nastiest Flatliner I've ever seen at 0:33: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=429S6babAsU
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Aug 5, 2016 20:55
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It's extremely good that the 600 pound backyard wrestler has matches long enough to require a Part 2
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Aug 5, 2016 21:01
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I'm always bummed when they don't have a poorly built ring.
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Aug 5, 2016 21:04
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I want WWE to sign that big guy and bill him as King Mabel II
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Aug 5, 2016 21:07
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The original FMW, IWA Japan and W*ING put on good stuff in general. All were influenced by the brawling styles of Memphis and Puerto Rico and there's a lot more focus on good ol' basic, violent brawling and teasing the hell out of the big spots. I think BJW was really the innovator of the modern overkill deathmatch style of guys taking turns hitting each other with lighttubes, spending half the match arranging furniture and doing weirdly co-operative looking gross-out spots.
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Marquis de Pyro posted:I want WWE to sign that big guy and bill him as King Mabel II Big Daddy VI
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Aug 5, 2016 21:17
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King BW is his brand though. You can't change the name that he's internationally famous for.
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Aug 5, 2016 21:34
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NienNunb posted:King BW is his brand though. You can't change the name that he's internationally famous for. Man done named himself after a candy bar. As for the good deathmatches, Honma (yes that one from New Japan) vs. Yamakawa is basically the epitome of what a good deathmatch should be. If you'd rather have a ol' southern concession-stand brawl, Necro Butcher vs. Toby Klein in 2004 is free on YouTube, either through Smart Mark or IWA-MS's channel.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:24
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CityMidnightJunky posted:Are there any backyard/deathmatches that are, you know, good? Probably not. When I did backyard wrestling when I was younger, I was trying to be a Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels among a bunch of JCW wannabes. After seeing someone go to the hospital when he got power bombed through a flaming table, I soon gave up all things wrestling related for ten years.
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Aug 6, 2016 00:28
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I feel like in general, deathmatches have a limited shelf life as soon as escalation gets introduced.
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Aug 6, 2016 02:39
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The Bee posted:I feel like in general, deathmatches have a limited shelf life as soon as escalation gets introduced. That's gimmick matches in general. Ladder matches were about the climb and some weapon uses until the Hardys/E&C and TLC matches turned them into bumpfests. When was the last cage match you saw where someone didn't go off the top of it in some fashion? Basically it's all Jimmy Snuka's fault I guess.
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Aug 6, 2016 03:27
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C. Everett Koop posted:That's gimmick matches in general. Ladder matches were about the climb and some weapon uses until the Hardys/E&C and TLC matches turned them into bumpfests. When was the last cage match you saw where someone didn't go off the top of it in some fashion? That tracks. He is directly responsible for Mick Foley and his decade plus of self harm.
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Aug 6, 2016 03:33
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CityMidnightJunky posted:Are there any backyard/deathmatches that are, you know, good? The FMW 8th Anniversary Show (which Tokyopop put out in a lovely clipped version as "Yokohama Deathmatch") is pretty good. The No Rope Electrified Barbed Wire Double Hell Land Mine Death Match is pretty disappointing because Shark gets gassed like three minutes in and never recovers. Also I guess I have to ask what you qualify as deathmatch wrestling? Because a lot of people think of ECW/FMW, but honestly only a small part of FMW was true crazy Japanese deathmatch stuff. The 4th Anniversary show card is a great example, where it includes a bunch of traditional wrestling matches, a MMA rules boxing match and some deathmatch stuff. As far as cards that are top to bottom garbage wrestling deathmatch poo poo, Tournament of Death 9 is one of the better shows CZW has ever put out. A lot of people say the Germany shows are better but I've personally never seen them so I can't rule either way. I guess depending on how much idiots entertain you ESW is either the greatest thing ever or bafflingly stupid. I will contend that most of their events have better storylines and ring psychology than most TNA matches these days however. They lost their best guy, the terrible juggalo wrestler Wicked J who shoot died in a trash compactor accident.
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Aug 6, 2016 03:43
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RIP Wicked J, the true embodiment of a garbage wrestler 
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Aug 6, 2016 03:49
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El Estrago Bonito posted:
It's weird that I have to ask this, but... Was it during a match?
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Aug 6, 2016 03:55
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He was a garbage collector.
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Aug 6, 2016 04:33
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Oh, weird. I just rediscovered the old Backyard thread yesterday and I was rewatching clips of his matches recently. RIP, Wicked J. The thing about chaos is it's fair.
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Aug 6, 2016 04:48
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remusclaw posted:It's weird that I have to ask this, but... Was it during a match? AFAIK he worked as a trash collector and they were loading stuff into the compactor at the dump and he just slipped and fell in.
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Aug 6, 2016 04:57
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I used to backyard wrestle but it was just for fun. Yeah we had a lovely ring and some props but none of us did any stupid poo poo. We weren't trying to be hardcore. No one ever left bleeding or injured. The funniest bit was when I found some of our poo poo on YouTube, 12 years later.
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Aug 6, 2016 06:20
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6EQUJ5 6 7 posted:I used to backyard wrestle but it was just for fun. Yeah we had a lovely ring and some props but none of us did any stupid poo poo. We weren't trying to be hardcore. No one ever left bleeding or injured. The funniest bit was when I found some of our poo poo on YouTube, 12 years later. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRv0e18Zcqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB6CyJiDvO4
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Aug 6, 2016 07:30
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CityMidnightJunky posted:Are there any backyard/deathmatches that are, you know, good? Legit one of my favorite matches https://youtu.be/ycb4R_dQkWQ
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Aug 6, 2016 07:52
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El Estrago Bonito posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRv0e18Zcqo Hah! Top notch.
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Aug 6, 2016 08:12
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Hey what was that royal rumble match from the early 90s that everyone was talking about not too long ago? Something about it feeling out of place in a good way
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PUNKS DIET SODA posted:Hey what was that royal rumble match from the early 90s that everyone was talking about not too long ago? Alain Post posted:Speaking of Arn/Regal, does anyone have any good examples of matches that felt like they were dropped in from another promotion? I just re-watched Greg Valentine / Ronnie Garvin from the 1990 Rumble (an awesome loving match that Shave inexplicably gave ** to), and it really seems like someone dropped a stiff southern blood feud into a bright, shiny WWF arena for some reason. Only real concession to WWF-style logic at the time was how Garvin's shinguard somehow completely negated a figure-4.
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Aug 7, 2016 02:32
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As far as deathmatches go, Masato Tanaka and Mr. Pogo had a pretty good one that's on one of those TokyoPop FMW tapes; it's notable for Pogo being way less lazy than usual. I also enjoy the Necro Butcher/BJ Whitmer barbed wire match from ROH, but I don't know if that counts as a proper deathmatch. It should, because Necro works the whole thing barefoot like a crazy person.
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Aug 7, 2016 18:19
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El Estrago Bonito posted:AFAIK he worked as a trash collector and they were loading stuff into the compactor at the dump and he just slipped and fell in. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Aug 7, 2016 23:15
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El Estrago Bonito posted:AFAIK he worked as a trash collector and they were loading stuff into the compactor at the dump and he just slipped and fell in. Child's Play 3 was alright, I guess.
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Aug 7, 2016 23:17
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El Estrago Bonito posted:AFAIK he worked as a trash collector and they were loading stuff into the compactor at the dump and he just slipped and fell in. the compactor was in the back of a garbage truck
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Aug 7, 2016 23:18
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At 8 PM we'll be holding a tribute to Wicked J. http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling
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Aug 7, 2016 23:24
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Was this man at the scene of the crime?
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Aug 7, 2016 23:26
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DeathChicken posted:Was this man at the scene of the crime? he was a member of an FBI recognized national street gang
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CityMidnightJunky posted:Are there any backyard/deathmatches that are, you know, good? Backyard? No. Death match stuff? Yes. The key is not confusing the two (and recognizing that there are actually talented wrestlers who have done the death match style stuff). Guys like Mitsuhiro Matsunaga, Tomoaki Honma (yes, that one), Ryuji Yamakawa, Abdullah Kobayashi, Masato Tanaka, Atsushi Onita (before he broke down), and Tarzan Goto (also before he broke down) were all quality wrestlers who also happened to be into doing blood and guts matches. The American death match scene had a much smaller percentage of talented guys. Other than matches with Necro Butcher, Toby Klein, Corporal Robinson, and Ian Rotten against each other, there wasn't much there. And even then, they weren't as consistent as the Japanese guys. There are stories about Madman Pondo secretly knowing how to work really well and just choosing not to, but that's not exactly what we're here to talk about.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:AFAIK he worked as a trash collector and they were loading stuff into the compactor at the dump and he just slipped and fell in. Lived as he died: botching spots.
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davidbix posted:There are stories about Madman Pondo secretly knowing how to work really well and just choosing not to, but that's not exactly what we're here to talk about. Eh, I'd pump the brakes on that one, since he'd have to demonstrate the "working well" part to make it true. It's like Ichiro being a home-run hitter, prove that you can do something before you say you don't want to. Now, the smart worker in the bad body you're looking for is Mitch Page. Page was in that same IWA-MS deathmatch group but his weight got out of control and broke his body down even faster. Messiah/Nick Mondo/JC Bailey were okay, they were better than the hack 'n' slashers but I wouldn't call them great workers. Sexxxy Eddy and the IWS crew seemed like they could have broke out but never did, probably because they allied themselves with Zandig/CZW, whereas Steen/Generico got into ROH/PWG.
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davidbix posted:Backyard? No. Death match stuff? Yes. The key is not confusing the two (and recognizing that there are actually talented wrestlers who have done the death match style stuff). Guys like Mitsuhiro Matsunaga, Tomoaki Honma (yes, that one), Ryuji Yamakawa, Abdullah Kobayashi, Masato Tanaka, Atsushi Onita (before he broke down), and Tarzan Goto (also before he broke down) were all quality wrestlers who also happened to be into doing blood and guts matches. The American death match scene had a much smaller percentage of talented guys. Other than matches with Necro Butcher, Toby Klein, Corporal Robinson, and Ian Rotten against each other, there wasn't much there. And even then, they weren't as consistent as the Japanese guys. There are stories about Madman Pondo secretly knowing how to work really well and just choosing not to, but that's not exactly what we're here to talk about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBW-Nwxwqps This is pretty good.
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What kind of influence does zandig have with The Boys in the back? Also how did Mr Pogo's sickle spots work, did he really just gash those guys?
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I assume he made a small cut, produced a lot of blood, and just waved it around in the mess after.
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