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tyler
Jun 2, 2014

you should buy me dreads to suicide

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OscarDiggs
Jun 1, 2011

Those sure are words on pages which are given in a sequential order!

Facebook Aunt posted:

Or you see a goon scaming someone so you take it upon yourself to get in the middle and warn the mark that he's being scammed.

Call me a baby or whatever, but I just wouldn't be comfortable with this.

Thank you everyone, for your candor.

NavyBlue
Dec 22, 2013

Guess where this lollipop's going?

ryanrs posted:

It's also worth noting that GSF is large enough that you can operate a space business and become very wealthy just by offering services to other goons. Whether industry, markets, logistics, contracts, you can become space rich with zero pubbie contact and zero PVE mining/ratting. When I played, I plexed 6 accounts, bought a super, etc, just by doing work for other people in my alliance. GSF is a massive economy unto itself with a lot of neat niches for specialized work.

quick reminder that if you are not sure what to do you should consider fitting doctrine ships to sell on contract. running out of ships happens too often and you can make a nice margin doing it. I fit and sell a lot of logi ships i can make upwards of 25% margins if i buy mods from jita, have it hauled in and buy hulls locally. i started with logi ships specifically because they were constantly going out of stock when i was in co2 but the margins are a little bit better than dps ships. i dont know margins for boosters or other specialty ships.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

ryanrs posted:

It's also worth noting that GSF is large enough that you can operate a space business and become very wealthy just by offering services to other goons. Whether industry, markets, logistics, contracts, you can become space rich with zero pubbie contact and zero PVE mining/ratting. When I played, I plexed 6 accounts, bought a super, etc, just by doing work for other people in my alliance. GSF is a massive economy unto itself with a lot of neat niches for specialized work.

You are always going to have a better time in EVE if you are interacting with other players. That's from a fun and a profitability perspective. PvE activities like mining/ratting/missions/whatever where you are making money by interacting with a game system will always be revenue limited. CCP balances the payouts for rats and missions very carefully, you are only going to make so much. No so when you do something like trading or industry, the only limit there is the size of the market.

froody guy
Jun 25, 2013

OscarDiggs posted:

Call me a baby or whatever, but I just wouldn't be comfortable with this.

Why? You care about the inherent value other people decide to give to their space pixels before throwing them off the window?

Micromancer
Apr 17, 2002

He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair
Having empathy for the person losing massive amounts of invested time and probably money is not a bad thing, and should not be treated as such. There are some people that can do it. I am not one of them. It is however a necessary part of Eve and I do not in any way feel anyone who can and does scam is a bad person or whatever. With just a small amount of common sense and enough paranoia to enable self preservation people can easily avoid being taken advantage of.

You can absolutely enjoy and prosper in Eve without being there to "ruin someone else's game". It's very likely you won't even run into it happening. Unless you count burning NC/PL to the ground. Their games need to be ruined. Everything that happens they asked for in advance. We're only providing the sweet oblivion they crave.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

froody guy posted:

Why? You care about the inherent value other people decide to give to their space pixels before throwing them off the window?

Scamming greedy people is funny and good.

But some of the stories I see about scamming people that just lonely and/or stupid make me feel some sympathy. I appreciate that this is a game with many layers, but thats not one I care to explore personally.

Holyshoot
May 6, 2010

Klyith posted:

There are plenty of goons who have played in the alliance and never been mean to anybody, but if you aren't comfortable hanging out with people who do than GSF isn't for you. The overall goal of the alliance is still to fight wars, gank pubbies, and bring misery to our opponents (which is everyone that isn't us). Right now we're destroying an enemy's space just because we can.


iirc querns has said that he's small potatoes compared to aryth & mynnna

My bad. I was confusing him with one of them.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Klyith posted:

There are plenty of goons who have played in the alliance and never been mean to anybody, but if you aren't comfortable hanging out with people who do than GSF isn't for you. The overall goal of the alliance is still to fight wars, gank pubbies, and bring misery to our opponents (which is everyone that isn't us). Right now we're destroying an enemy's space just because we can.

eve just isn't a very good game if you're not interested in a particularly cutthroat version of competitive. all of the interesting stuff in EVE is beating someone else at EVE rather than beating NPCs or the game itself.

Loky11
Dec 12, 2006

Pull on the new flesh like borrowed gloves and burn your fingers once again
the only reason I'm still playing is sunken costs at this point. please end me.

Speked
Dec 13, 2011

LTA Represent !!

OscarDiggs posted:

Many years ago I wanted to get into Eve and I happened to have an SA account way back when. I checked out the Eve thread that was around then and it seemed like the only thing the clan (or corporation, whatever the correct term is for Eve) was mostly about griefing other players and that turned me off.

Now I've been chatting to a few Goons in Discords I'm in and they've been talking about Eve, and I admit it's got me intrigued again. But if the only thing I'm gonna be doing is being mean to pubbies then it's a hard pass. Has Goonswarm moved on from that or is that still it's main goal?

Be who you want man, If you dont like to dunk on pubbies, then dont.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

evilweasel posted:

eve just isn't a very good game if you're not interested in a particularly cutthroat version of competitive. all of the interesting stuff in EVE is beating someone else at EVE rather than beating NPCs or the game itself.

It's still not a good game, there just aren't any alternatives :v:

Resting Lich Face
Feb 21, 2019


This case of an intraperitoneal zucchini is unusual, and does raise questions as to how hard one has to push a blunt vegetable to perforate the rectum.

OscarDiggs posted:

Many years ago I wanted to get into Eve and I happened to have an SA account way back when. I checked out the Eve thread that was around then and it seemed like the only thing the clan (or corporation, whatever the correct term is for Eve) was mostly about griefing other players and that turned me off.

Now I've been chatting to a few Goons in Discords I'm in and they've been talking about Eve, and I admit it's got me intrigued again. But if the only thing I'm gonna be doing is being mean to pubbies then it's a hard pass. Has Goonswarm moved on from that or is that still it's main goal?

The main goal is turbokrabbing now.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Micromancer posted:

You can absolutely enjoy and prosper in Eve without being there to "ruin someone else's game". It's very likely you won't even run into it happening. Unless you count burning NC/PL to the ground. Their games need to be ruined. Everything that happens they asked for in advance. We're only providing the sweet oblivion they crave.

Mostly this. On an individual level, there honestly isn't a whole lot of personal fuckery these days. Sure, there are some outliers who spend all their time scamming or gatecamping lowsec or whatever, but the vast majority of the alliance is quite happy to be doin' their own thing--production, ratting, exploration, dropping Blops on idiots in corps we don't like, whatever. The political entities / other alliances we're fighting are mostly all people who we have a long history with: we're not randomly griefing them, we're retaliating for previous injuries.

Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009


NavyBlue posted:

quick reminder that if you are not sure what to do you should consider fitting doctrine ships to sell on contract. running out of ships happens too often and you can make a nice margin doing it. I fit and sell a lot of logi ships i can make upwards of 25% margins if i buy mods from jita, have it hauled in and buy hulls locally. i started with logi ships specifically because they were constantly going out of stock when i was in co2 but the margins are a little bit better than dps ships. i dont know margins for boosters or other specialty ships.

boosters have a really bad margin because you'll never sell them. like 8 people in the coalition fly them. even in the Elite Player Versus Player Combat SIGs there was always a lack of actual bodies to fly boosts and a ton of them on contract in staging.

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



I've honestly mostly given up scamming simply because the only marks left are the very poor newbies to the game

anyone left that has a vague idea of what's going on in the game knows better

Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009


ASCEE and Karmafleet are the true goonfuckers because now there's no need to get vouched into goonwaffe, for a nominal fee, of course

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

boosters have a really bad margin because you'll never sell them. like 8 people in the coalition fly them. even in the Elite Player Versus Player Combat SIGs there was always a lack of actual bodies to fly boosts and a ton of them on contract in staging.

I think if boosters had never been illegal and such a pain in the loving rear end to deal with, everyone would use them by now. But because EVE basically hasn't had a new player in five years, everyone has it firmly stuck in their head that boosters are just a pain in the rear end that's not worth dealing with at all.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


fleet boost ships. Not drugs.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

CainFortea posted:

fleet boost ships. Not drugs.

those are called "ganglinks"

ragedx
Mar 15, 2019

Vodka is just awesome water
I find it more easier and much less time consuming to supplement the income with some plex selling.
I would rather work 1 hour and not have to actually grind 5 in a game doing something that isn't too fun.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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CainFortea posted:

fleet boost ships. Not drugs.

Maybe if CCP hadn’t ruined my command ships.

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please

OscarDiggs posted:

Call me a baby or whatever, but I just wouldn't be comfortable with this.

Thank you everyone, for your candor.

Well you could always join, see for yourself and then if you don't like it you can jump ship.

NavyBlue
Dec 22, 2013

Guess where this lollipop's going?

ragedx posted:

I find it more easier and much less time consuming to supplement the income with some plex selling.
I would rather work 1 hour and not have to actually grind 5 in a game doing something that isn't too fun.

in overtime pay i make more than 40$ an hour (before the Man takes like half of it) thats 4bn isk/hour.

tfw a real world government cuts into your profit margins harder than the ingame economy.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

#47. This one is in KQK in Pure Blind, which is in range of M-O.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

NavyBlue posted:

in overtime pay i make more than 40$ an hour (before the Man takes like half of it) thats 4bn isk/hour.

tfw a real world government cuts into your profit margins harder than the ingame economy.

Thanks for keeping the price of PLEX down!

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011
Atrum is a man of great patience and merciful restraint.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

Rookie ship spawning is back! Apparently CCP is adding a button you can press to generate a new rookie ship in Upwell structures. Hooray for free cyno ships. The difference between now and after patch is you don't get the ship automatically; you have to deliberately request one from the server. Also, if you already have one, it'll just board you into it and repair it.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


What's this thing about triglavian invasions? Are they doing incursions with Triglavians or is this going to be different?

Paramemetic
Sep 29, 2003

Area 51. You heard of it, right?





Fallen Rib

CainFortea posted:

What's this thing about triglavian invasions? Are they doing incursions with Triglavians or is this going to be different?

Hopefully they burn down huge swaths of null with supers instead of just being farms

Loky11
Dec 12, 2006

Pull on the new flesh like borrowed gloves and burn your fingers once again

Paramemetic posted:

Hopefully they burn down huge swaths of null with supers instead of just being farms

guaranteed min/maxed within a week

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

Paramemetic posted:

Hopefully they burn down huge swaths of null with supers instead of just being farms

nope, it's highsec only :reject:

Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009


i'm glad of it

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017
Has anyone tried to get the free starter pack from Steam? I tried to use it, but it created some kind of alt account under my main profile and I can't transfer anything.

I was considering trying this game again. Does anyone have any day one starter tips? I'm just making my way through the tutorials right now.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Rad-daddio posted:

Has anyone tried to get the free starter pack from Steam? I tried to use it, but it created some kind of alt account under my main profile and I can't transfer anything.

I was considering trying this game again. Does anyone have any day one starter tips? I'm just making my way through the tutorials right now.

Start> Add or Remove Programs > Search : EVE Online > Uninstall

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Rad-daddio posted:

Has anyone tried to get the free starter pack from Steam? I tried to use it, but it created some kind of alt account under my main profile and I can't transfer anything.

Steam eve accounts are a special class, and steam won't link to existing normal eve accounts. So if you don't already have a steam-eve account it's pretty worthless.

Rad-daddio posted:

I was considering trying this game again. Does anyone have any day one starter tips? I'm just making my way through the tutorials right now.

Do the tutorial, the military career missions (optional), then join goons.

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
i hope hilmar actually follows through and removes local and nerfs citadels

Holyshoot
May 6, 2010

ragedx posted:

I find it more easier and much less time consuming to supplement the income with some plex selling.
I would rather work 1 hour and not have to actually grind 5 in a game doing something that isn't too fun.

Most people paying for accounts with plex bought with isk have 2+ accounts. Very few people I imagine want to pay tons of money in sub fees for a video game. But one account makes more sense to just pay the sub if you're not great at making isk.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
If it will generate headlines and make his new Korean overlords happy, of course he'll do it.

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Micromancer
Apr 17, 2002

He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair
User post combo checks out

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