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Verviticus posted:he was also a guest in tng playing the exact same character but with the name changed because his crime was 'too great for rehabilitation' as per the writing staff of voyager. literally, tom paris was supposed to be the guy that got that cadet killed with wesley Yeah, when I go back and watch The First Duty now I just mentally replace his character's original name with Tom Paris. I just go "gently caress it, that's Tom Paris. Shut up."
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Verviticus posted:he was also a guest in tng playing the exact same character but with the name changed because his crime was 'too great for rehabilitation' as per the writing staff of voyager. literally, tom paris was supposed to be the guy that got that cadet killed with wesley That reason was clearly bullshit, but also the “didn’t want to pay the original writer of The First Duty for every episode” excuse got debunked too, right?
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Verviticus posted:edit: has any star trek actor said after its all said and done that they actually liked doing the technobabble stuff Dunno if he liked it at the time, but Robert Picardo's been doing recitations of technobabble on Youtube lately.
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HD DAD posted:That reason was clearly bullshit, but also the “didn’t want to pay the original writer of The First Duty for every episode” excuse got debunked too, right? Yeah - 'The First Duty' was written by the TNG writers room as opposed to a freelancer, so Nick Locarno would be their property to use how they choose.
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Crusader posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnJ7eGoTu80&t=6318s YouTube is down across the globe right now.
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nine-gear crow posted:YouTube is down across the globe right now. ahh. 
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Dunno if he liked it at the time, but Robert Picardo's been doing recitations of technobabble on Youtube lately. Picardo also did a bunch of stargate and some other stuff that's doesn't come straight to mind, so he has a long career of having to recite this stuff.
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It seems like Star Trek productions are always plagued with dubious rumors of people being dissatisfied with the show. Kind of makes you think somebody in management was paranoid and it set a bad tone. I watched DS9's "Life Support" last night, and apparently they almost killed off O'Brien instead of Bareil because there were rumors of him wanting to leave, which turned out to be unsubstantiated. Gosh that would've been a disaster.
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So we were robbed of O’Brien getting his brain replaced with positronic implants?
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FlamingLiberal posted:So we were robbed of O’Brien getting his brain replaced with positronic implants? As fun as Robo'brien could've been, the plan was always for the character to die at the end of the episode (originally it was a nameless diplomat negotiating for some other treaty)
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, when I go back and watch The First Duty now I just mentally replace his character's original name with Tom Paris. I just go "gently caress it, that's Tom Paris. Shut up." I just no-prize it that he went by a different name at the academy because he didn’t want the expectations that came with being the son of an admiral.
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multijoe posted:DS9 has the only show which didn't have a main cast member with an alien understanding of emotions, Mecha-O'Brien could have been his show's Spock or Seven giving the 'feelings are irrational' spiel!
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Odo had a surfeit of emotions, they were just nearly all to do with being a prick
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He also has the same reaction to seeing Kira with another dude as a stunted middle school nerd seeing his crush hold hands with someone else in the hallway.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I just no-prize it that he went by a different name at the academy because he didn’t want the expectations that came with being the son of an admiral. worked for Beckett Mariner
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I remember my more goony early twenties self relating to Odo's struggle with Kira but my empathy nose dived with each rewatch as I got older. In contrast, Odo and Quark only get better each time. I also remember my younger self finding the Dominion war really badass - especially the S7 arc. It still has its moments but now I find most of the huge battles kinda boring and also jarring with how the ships are made of paper. I still love DS9 but now it's all about episodes that really leverage the setting and exceptionally strong cast of supporting characters.
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multijoe posted:DS9 has the only show which didn't have a main cast member with an alien understanding of emotions, Mecha-O'Brien could have been his show's Spock or Seven giving the 'feelings are irrational' spiel! Is this the feeling that humans call....agonizing torment?
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DS9's space battles were novel at the time because Star Trek had never done anything like that before, and the show had the benefit of years and years of other Star Trek material and model work essentially building up to those action pieces; seeing CGI Miranda's get one-shotted wouldn't have had the impact it did if we hadn't have seen those ships tooling around for ages on TNG and in the movies.
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Maybe I can't stop seeing it with my childhood's eyes but I thought the space battles held up pretty well on my last rewatch, the composite special effects look way better than alot of full CGI TV stuff from a decade later
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Yvonmukluk posted:I just no-prize it that he went by a different name at the academy because he didn’t want the expectations that came with being the son of an admiral. I thought Locarno had an admiral dad too? Or was it the kid that died?
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Humerus posted:I thought Locarno had an admiral dad too? Or was it the kid that died? The father of the kid who died was in Starfleet, but I don't think he was an admiral. I don't think Locarno's parents are mentioned in the episode.
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multijoe posted:Maybe I can't stop seeing it with my childhood's eyes but I thought the space battles held up pretty well on my last rewatch, the composite special effects look way better than alot of full CGI TV stuff from a decade later It's not just you - I think the effects do hold up surprisingly well. They're obviously old but not in a way that pulls me out of the show. But I might also be suffering from nostalgia.
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Hell, the model work in Emissary at Wolf 359 still holds up incredibly well. That was pretty  in 1993.
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It's still the case that seeing a real thing explode even it's it's a clearly a model is better looking than seeing a not-real thing explode.
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Shofixti posted:It's not just you - I think the effects do hold up surprisingly well. They're obviously old but not in a way that pulls me out of the show. But I might also be suffering from nostalgia. Helps that DS9 and early Voyager were among the last times we saw big budget model work like that on TV and it was the peak of the art form. Whereas with CGI it's continued to get better over the last couple of decades. Helps as well that the CGI ships they had were made to try and look like models rather than chasing realism.
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This owns Clearly a labour of love. Going to get baked tonight and give this a watch.
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I appreciate that they went with Mariachi band Q and not Judge Q.
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Slumfrog posted:Is this the feeling that humans call....agonizing torment? Eighties ZomCom posted:I appreciate that they went with Mariachi band Q and not Judge Q.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:I appreciate that they went with Mariachi band Q and not Judge Q. He's matching the trad cards pretty well, and Judgement has a horn!
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The_Other posted:Now I'm picturing Barclay as The Hermit and Data as The Fool. I have Data pegged as the Hanged Man.
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A.o.D. posted:I have Data pegged as the Hanged Man. it's hung and no, he's doing the pegging
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So, I recently started watching Enterprise, and just finished the episode Cogenitor, and I might have to stop watching it. I saw VitalSigns mention it in this thread a couple of years ago and have the same sort of reaction, but goddamn, I feel like I'm missing something, here. Like, the cogenitors are very clearly just sex slaves. And they're dehumanized in some ways that go even farther than America did: they're not allowed to have loving music, and they don't even have loving names. Like, holy gently caress, that's incredibly hosed. And I'm not saying I expect the Enterprise to, like, insist on leading a revolution or whatever... but everyone treats Trip like he's the crazy one for saying "hey, maybe keeping 3% of their population as sex slaves isn't great?" And it's not like the aliens aren't open to dialogue or anything; they read the complete works of Shakespeare and part of Sophocles overnight. Maybe, just, like, give them some histories of America in the pre-civil-war era, ask if they see any parallels? Maybe when talking about asylum, mention to the aliens that if the cogenitor goes back, there's a good chance they're going to explain to other cogenitors what they're missing? Like, of loving course the cogenitor committed suicide, that was utterly loving predictable. And gently caress, when the cogenitor commits suicide, Archer does not even for one second go "oh, hey, it's a real shame their culture is such a loving hellworld." Nope, it's all Trip's fault for making the cogenitor realize what they were missing out on. Archer is a loving monster. An Phlox literally the episode before talks about not speaking to his son for a decade over his son's refusal to treat an alien race as equal, but doesn't even bother to acknowledge that maybe sex slavery is wrong? I cannot loving understand how an episode directed by Kunta Kinte went so far wrong. Like, I guess I read a few of the reviews, and sort of get what they were going for on the "cultural interference is bad," but we're talking about a more developed culture, not a less-developed one, and I don't see it as "cultural interference" to let a single person choose to not want to live in a joyless hellscape of endless rape and chattel slavery. EDIT: Like, I guess I was expecting the normal Star Trek resolution of "well, we can't condone what they're doing, and they're terrible for doing it, but we have noninterference policies for a reason," but at this point they don't even have those loving policies, and they're just... okay with it. Like, just doing a normal sex slavery thing, what wrong? Ham Equity fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Nov 14, 2020 |
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