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Aphrodite posted:I'm saying the opposite, actually. Despite not processing commands on the cloud it still sends data about which ones you're using to Microsoft. Which would be the main argument people would use against cloud processing if it were a thing. FULL DISCLOSURE: My game that will hit the XB One in about a year will probably report back to me how many times you shoot your gun, and which ammo types you use. OMG, THE HUMANITY! SUMMON THE PRESSES!  EDIT: and if you played Jones On Fire on your mobile device, you told me how many kitties you saved per session (though I didn't know who you were, I just got back a "some dude saved X kitties" message). THE HORROR! 
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Shalinor posted:They're called Metrics. Just about every game with a web connection (which is almost all of them) sends back (depersonalized) metrics, so that we can release silly stats like that, or figure out what features people are using. Yeah, that's what we're saying. This is the original comment: quote:People were freaked out enough about a camera + mic in their homes, there's no way they would've accepted the console actually sending everything you do to Microsoft. Which is what it's doing anyway so that's not a good argument for not doing it.
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VincesUndies posted:Idiots at Reddit are already breaking their Dashboard Preview NDA so here's some updates: That's good, they are addressing a ton of other things in this patch as well as the party chat then. Really glad about the volume, especially now I have my cable box connected. For some reason that's way quieter than Netflix which means I have to shout the command 50 times or pick up the remote like some poor scrub. I'm curious to see how they implement it.
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The volume fix is a godsend. I'm sure for people with speaker set ups the bitstream option is great too. Crafty; I'm assuming you just set how many increments it goes up by. So if you're like my household and the stupid TV has like 100 units of volume and 2 units up or down does nothing you set it to like 10.
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Feb 26, 2014 17:01
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Shalinor posted:They're called Metrics. Just about every game with a web connection (which is almost all of them) sends back (depersonalized) metrics, so that we can release silly stats like that, or figure out what features people are using. There are very strict rules about what we can do with the data, and the depersonalization bit is particularly important. So we store "somebody used a feature at X time" instead of "Bob used the feature at X time."
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Shalinor posted:They're called Metrics. Just about every game with a web connection (which is almost all of them) sends back (depersonalized) metrics, so that we can release silly stats like that, or figure out what features people are using. There are very strict rules about what we can do with the data, and the depersonalization bit is particularly important. So we store "somebody used a feature at X time" instead of "Bob used the feature at X time." Mmmmmyeah, I'll just record every single thing done in front of a camera and call it metrics, that makes it ok no matter what, as long faces are censored.
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Shalinor posted:They're called Metrics. Just about every game with a web connection (which is almost all of them) sends back (depersonalized) metrics, so that we can release silly stats like that, or figure out what features people are using. There are very strict rules about what we can do with the data, and the depersonalization bit is particularly important. So we store "somebody used a feature at X time" instead of "Bob used the feature at X time." They were discussing having an always on mic (not to mention the camera) in your living room in light of the NSA spying revelations and Microsoft working with them.
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qnqnx posted:Mmmmmyeah, I'll just record every single thing done in front of a camera and call it metrics, that makes it ok no matter what, as long faces are censored. It doesn't though; at least last time I chatted with their advertising arm. I'll have another meeting with them relatively soon and try and see what exactly they're getting (my last meeting was launch day and post launch week) but really the huge push and what the incoming CEO of the company wants has nothing to do with the Kinect proper and everything to do with its video services.
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I agree. If they're filming people, that's acceptable as long as they censor your face. It's no more than any other company with access to an always-on webcam would do. And it's not so bad -- just look at that highschool where they used the webcams in laptops to catch people doing drugs and breaking the law. If you haven't done anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about.
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crowfeathers posted:I agree. If they're filming people, that's acceptable as long as they censor your face. It's no more than any other company with access to an always-on webcam would do. And it's not so bad -- just look at that highschool where they used the webcams in laptops to catch people doing drugs and breaking the law. If you haven't done anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about. Christ I hope you're joking. Also on that note, Kinect is unable to log me in whenever I turn on the machine, which is weird because I'm the only loving user on the system and also the only face it's ever seen. Anyone else have that issue? I couldn't find an answer to "automatically loving sign me in" anywhere on Google, with or without Kinect, although I see that it's simply impossible without Kinect.
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Saladman posted:Christ I hope you're joking. There currently isn't a way to auto-login without using the Kinect. If it doesn't recognize you use the little "I wasn't recognized" feature when you log in manually and reset it. I had that issue and a quick "I wasn't recognized" fixed that right up. A friend had an issue because she logged in with the dog on her lap for the initial set up so for the longest time it'd only trigger as her when the dog hopped on her lap.
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crowfeathers posted:I agree. If they're filming people, that's acceptable as long as they censor your face. It's no more than any other company with access to an always-on webcam would do. And it's not so bad -- just look at that highschool where they used the webcams in laptops to catch people doing drugs and breaking the law. If you haven't done anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about. This is terrifying. E - At least you're joking. There are people who will actually think this. not not luvd fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Barudak posted:Crafty; I'm assuming you just set how many increments it goes up by. So if you're like my household and the stupid TV has like 100 units of volume and 2 units up or down does nothing you set it to like 10. That's what it looks like
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qnqnx posted:Mmmmmyeah, I'll just record every single thing done in front of a camera and call it metrics, that makes it ok no matter what, as long faces are censored. Just long faces? I often play The One naked and my face is of average length, your true facts have me worried. We go over this Kinect is spying on you  every three weeks and it's never interesting. Can you guys take it back to the nerds really angry at Microsoft thread please?People are posting screens of the new beta update. Looks like the 50hz fix is in. I guess it changes the refresh rate of everything to 50 then? The volume looks like you set its increment from 1 to 10 so that's decent. You also need to update your controllers (NEXT GEN) if you want to use that headphone adapter. ^sleek, yet functional. I'll probably go with an increment of 8 and see how I get on, it's like a game in itself. Another exclusive.
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crowfeathers posted:I agree. If they're filming people, that's acceptable as long as they censor your face. It's no more than any other company with access to an always-on webcam would do. And it's not so bad -- just look at that highschool where they used the webcams in laptops to catch people doing drugs and breaking the law. If you haven't done anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about. equal parts fear and resigned detached laughter at the sky that this is an opinion that exists in real life, on earth, by a real person
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melon farmer posted:equal parts fear and resigned detached laughter at the sky that this is an opinion that exists in real life, on earth, by a real person  He is joking.
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Is there a full list of stuff this update does yet or are we all living in a hearsay world? I noticed the instant resume feature is out of Beta but I have no idea what that means (that feature is awesome in single player and not useful at all in multi).melon farmer posted:equal parts fear and resigned detached laughter at the sky that this is an opinion that exists in real life, on earth, by a real person If this depresses you wait until the iWatch comes out if its rumored biometric push advertising feature is in there.
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Barudak posted:I noticed the instant resume feature is out of Beta but I have no idea what that means (that feature is awesome in single player and not useful at all in multi). I guess it's still there but doesn't have the word Beta next to it
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:What are your thoughts on ID@Xbox? They're more willing to kick little devs the help they need than Sony is right now, which is about polar opposite what you'd expect from the press Sony is putting out / the giant foot that MS keeps cramming in their own mouth. It would cost me quite a bit more to bring our game to PS4 than it will to XB One, to the point that we really can't afford PS4 at this point. Haquer posted:They were discussing having an always on mic (not to mention the camera) in your living room in light of the NSA spying revelations and Microsoft working with them. Shalinor fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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VincesUndies posted:I guess it's still there but doesn't have the word Beta next to it I figured as much. Its been one of my favorite little features of the system and I'm not entirely sure why its off by default.
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Crafty posted:
I think his response has more to do with the fact that regardless of whether or not that individual poster is joking, that exact opinion is indeed held by hundreds of millions of Americans. There's a distressing amount of people out there who seem unable to comprehend that putting in place a system with tremendous monitoring power and terrifying potential for abuse is A Bad Thing. Because hey guys, it's not being abused right this very second, so there's no way it could ever be, right? Right? (And that's not even taking into account that it probably is being abused this very second and we just don't know about it since the government/microsoft tends to only tell us about this stuff when a Snowden forces them to, but whatever)
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Barudak posted:There currently isn't a way to auto-login without using the Kinect. If it doesn't recognize you use the little "I wasn't recognized" feature when you log in manually and reset it. I had that issue and a quick "I wasn't recognized" fixed that right up. Awesome, that worked. Still, it takes a few seconds. Would be nice if you could just set it to auto-login as a certain user, or if it was clever enough to just figure out that if there's only one user account, and the password is saved, it should just automatically login without fancy Kinect nonsense. I'm also in the camp that doesn't care that the NSA can spy on me through Kinect, since this is unfounded tinfoil hattery. Plus if anyone's actually concerned about this they could just power their machine down completely instead of putting it in standby. If Microsoft can record everything the kinect sees and hears and transmit it to the NSA while only drawing 2 watts of power, then props to them. Too bad instant on uses a poo poo ton of energy, considering I only used my xbox 360 like two hours a week on average and can't imagine I will use the xbone more than that. Edit: Other question: Any way to make the TV switch automatically to the Xbone when it's turned on? The PS3 automatically switches the input to itself when it turns on (and even turns the TV and stereo tuner on too), which is super handy for the non-tech-savvy member of my household. I never got that working for the 360, and have no idea why the PS3 does it either. I have all my devices hooked into a Denon receiver which then hooks into the TV (all via whatever the most current HDMI is). Saladman fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Saladman posted:I'm also in the camp that doesn't care that the NSA can spy on me through Kinect, since this is unfounded tinfoil hattery. Plus if anyone's actually concerned about this they could just power their machine down completely instead of putting it in standby. If Microsoft can record everything the kinect sees and hears and transmit it to the NSA while only drawing 2 watts of power, then props to them. Too bad instant on uses a poo poo ton of energy, considering I only used my xbox 360 like two hours a week on average and can't imagine I will use the xbone more than that.
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Shalinor posted:They're more willing to kick little devs the help they need than Sony is right now, which is about polar opposite what you'd expect from the press Sony is putting out / the giant foot that MS keeps cramming in their own mouth. It would cost me quite a bit more to bring our game to PS4 than it will to XB One, to the point that we really can't afford PS4 at this point. Let me guess: a large portion of this is Unity licensing costs, and that Sony is the only console manufacturer to not pay for said licence if you get accepted into the relevant "approved developer" scheme. In addition, each individual PlayStation format has its own separate Unity Pro upgrade and it's corresponding $2,000 fee, and hence if you want to make a PS3/PS4/Vita game you'll be out $6k. [Edit] I'd imagine that this would fall under the NDA, but: have they got rid of the launch parity clause yet? Delusibeta fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Shalinor posted:Yes. It's the same conversation they've been having since before the console was released. It was dull then, and it's dull now, and a bunch of people acting faux outraged over what MS could theoretically do with the data remains really, really uninteresting. You're awfully dismissive of a real serious issue. Also, its my data. I should have the ability to turn off whether you receive my "harmless" data. You shouldn't have the right to it without my expressive consent, no matter how miniscule you believe it is. Luckily a number of companies ASK for permission and SPELL OUT that they are capturing your information. I hope the company you work for requires a similar option (and not the usual "By playing this game you accept..." nonsense that proves nothing but utter contempt for customers privacy). I understand this goes beyond the scope of this thread, so I'll leave it as such. virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Saladman posted:I'm also in the camp that doesn't care that the NSA can spy on me through Kinect, since this is unfounded tinfoil hattery. Plus if anyone's actually concerned about this they could just power their machine down completely instead of putting it in standby. If Microsoft can record everything the kinect sees and hears and transmit it to the NSA while only drawing 2 watts of power, then props to them. Too bad instant on uses a poo poo ton of energy, considering I only used my xbox 360 like two hours a week on average and can't imagine I will use the xbone more than that. I'm not sure Microsoft saying they are indeed sending data to the NSA as unfounded tinfoil hattery. You also wouldn't need to transmit it instantly you could record than transmit the next time the system is engaged. Or whenever Microsoft is asked to send it.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:You're awfully dismissive of a real serious issue. You said it better than I could. Also dismissing it as "just metrics" and comparing it to taking game metrics is hilarious.
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Saladman posted:Edit: Other question: Any way to make the TV switch automatically to the Xbone when it's turned on? The PS3 automatically switches the input to itself when it turns on (and even turns the TV and stereo tuner on too), which is super handy for the non-tech-savvy member of my household. I never got that working for the 360, and have no idea why the PS3 does it either. I have all my devices hooked into a Denon receiver which then hooks into the TV (all via whatever the most current HDMI is). Its in settings > TV and one guide > devices. If you just got The One then I'd recommend rerunning the Kinect tuner with the volume on your TV up high enough that Kinect tells you to turn it down. Find the highest it will accept, it will help with picking up commands more consistently.
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^^^^ Awesome, thanks. Yeah, I just bought it despite Switzerland being a "not released" market (in a major retail chain here, down the street, not pre-ordered or anything).Sedisp posted:I'm not sure Microsoft saying they are indeed sending data to the NSA as unfounded tinfoil hattery. You also wouldn't need to transmit it instantly you could record than transmit the next time the system is engaged. Or whenever Microsoft is asked to send it. I'm not an electrical engineer or anything, but there's no way the xbox/kinect can record video and audio and save it to a HDD at the ~1 watt it draws while plugged in and powered off. If they could do that, I'd wonder why they did such a bad job with the rest of the engineering. E: Anyway, even if it drew only 1 watt on standby instead of 15, I'd probably still not use it just because I don't want the kinect watching me at all times, but people thinking it's recording you and sending analytics to MS even when it's turned off and powered down? Complete tin hattery. Saladman fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Saladman posted:E: Anyway, even if it drew only 1 watt on standby instead of 15, I'd probably still not use it just because I don't want the kinect watching me at all times, but people thinking it's recording you and sending analytics to MS even when it's turned off and powered down? Complete tin hattery. Has there been anyone in either thread that has said it's recording you when it's turned off? Shalinor posted:Yes. It's the same conversation they've been having since before the console was released. It was dull then, and it's dull now, and a bunch of people acting faux outraged over what MS could theoretically do with the data remains really, really uninteresting. The specific example given ("bu-but they know how many times X command was used!") is, like I said, metrics. Mass Effect devs also know how many times you've entered the IAP store, and whether or not you clicked on an IAP option before exiting the store (and whether or not you bought it or just backed out), and so on. I guarantee they're also tracking how many aliens have been shot, because that stuff is awesome for useless brag metrics. Yeah metrics in game are being shared, fair enough. What metrics were they intending on gathering when the console was not in use?
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Sedisp posted:Has there been anyone in either thread that has said it's recording you when it's turned off? I just joined this thread, so haven't seen it, but everywhere else on the Internet: Yes. "It's recording all the time OMG." This kind of goes with your second comment: They won't be gathering metrics when the console is not in use because Kinect isn't on. Not that I want my video transmitted anywhere (in the unlikely event this is the case) but couldn't care less if my metrics of what pages I visited or which buttons I pressed were transmitted. I mean, I'd hate this on a computer and would never buy it, but don't care at all for a console. Saladman fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:[Edit] I'd imagine that this would fall under the NDA, but: have they got rid of the launch parity clause yet? virtualboyCOLOR posted:I understand this goes beyond the scope of this thread, so I'll leave it as such.
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My Kinect will only automatically log me in while I'm masturbating because I was masturbating when I set it up.
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Is anyone using the new xbox as a media center yet? I've been playing around with the settings but still haven't figured out how the new system is any better than the 360, except that it has an HDMI-In cable that you could.. do something with? I guess? Really having a hard time figuring out what to do with that. It doesn't look like you can use it as an arbitrary DVR, which is too bad. I'm struggling to figure out the point of the much-touted media center features, when I can already hook a computer up to my TV via HDMI and do everything easier and more flexibly. Still, I guess it will be nice once it supports external drives (as long as it supports something other than FAT32, jesus christ I hope so). Saladman fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Saladman posted:Is anyone using the new xbox as a media center yet? I've been playing around with the settings but still haven't figured out how the new system is any better than the 360, except that it has an HDMI-In cable that you could.. do something with? I guess? Really having a hard time figuring out what to do with that. It doesn't look like you can use it as an arbitrary DVR, which is too bad. You can't, really. It only has Push To streaming.
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Saladman posted:Is anyone using the new xbox as a media center yet? I've been playing around with the settings but still haven't figured out how the new system is any better than the 360, except that it has an HDMI-In cable that you could.. do something with? I guess? Really having a hard time figuring out what to do with that. It doesn't look like you can use it as an arbitrary DVR, which is too bad. You're better off using the 360 or PS3. Both consoles aren't up to par with the old ones for media features.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Is 3D still a thing they are trying to push? I thought that died again right after motion controls died. Manufacturers are now starting to push the whole 4k bullshit thing.
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Doctor Butts posted:Manufacturers are now starting to push the whole 4k bullshit thing. That will likely be more successful but current 4k displays are both crazy, crazy expensive and have incredibly limited refresh rates that they literally can't display over 30fps in many cases.
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I do think 4k will be more successful in the long run. However, what you mentioned and also the devices that are going to deliver 4k content to the TV's are also kind of limited. Another point about the metrics: I'm not really all that concerned about Microsoft being a co-conspirator with the NSA or anything. My thing is that a lot of the metrics can be sold. You don't need to say to someone "Yea Joe Bob watches Al Jazeera, put him on the watchlist." But you can say "Hey, such and such people are doing things in this game, we think this fits your demographic: you should buy some ad space on the Xbox One Dashboard" Which is kind of hilarious considering Microsoft's "Scroogled" crap. edit: And the only problem I have with that is that I'm paying for Xbox Live Gold in the first place. Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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