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Looks like Amazon has picked up Lower Decks in a bunch of territories outside of the US. Show will be launching on January 22nd. Better late than never, I guess. https://intl.startrek.com/news/star-trek-lower-decks-transports-to-amazon-prime-in-multiple-international-territories Maybe I'll finally get around to finishing the show, pirating is too much effort these days. Hopefully season 2 will air simultaneously with the US.
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Veotax posted:Looks like Amazon has picked up Lower Decks in a bunch of territories outside of the US. Show will be launching on January 22nd. Better late than never, I guess. Consarnit why couldn't they use Netflix
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He’s posting one every day, this is yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxGCV4D0aI8
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The_Doctor posted:He’s posting one every day, this is yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMAn1XJcq_E 
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The ending of Silicon Avatar is pretty dark. Dr Marr asks Data if her son would finally feel at peace now that she got revenge on the Crystalline Entity. He says nope your son would be very disappointed that you just threw away your entire career as a scientist. The gravity of the situation suddenly dawns on her and she looks utterly devastated. It holds on her expression for a few seconds then the episode just ends. I do appreciate that it's probably how the situation would actually play out. It's just striking because it's so abrupt and feels like such an un-TV ending.
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Dec 19, 2020 00:59
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Shofixti posted:The ending of Silicon Avatar is pretty dark. Dr Marr asks Data if her son would finally feel at peace now that she got revenge on the Crystalline Entity. He says nope your son would be very disappointed that you just threw away your entire career as a scientist. The gravity of the situation suddenly dawns on her and she looks utterly devastated. It holds on her expression for a few seconds then the episode just ends. I do appreciate that it's probably how the situation would actually play out. It's just striking because it's so abrupt and feels like such an un-TV ending.
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Dec 19, 2020 01:10
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drat y'all, so - I was born the year TNG started and grew up watching TNG/DS9/VOY both new and in syndication (parents are also huge nerds), but I never really made much distinction between them as a kid. They were all just Star Trek. A few years ago I watched all of DS9 and then all of TOS, and just now during quarantine I watched all of DS9 again, so I thought - ok, now let's finally do TNG from start to finish! Five episodes in, and I'm astonished that this didn't get cancelled before whatever the point is where it's supposed to get good. I'm gonna keep going but I will be playing vidja games on my laptop at the same time for a while.
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Dec 19, 2020 01:10
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Which TNG episode has three Datas trying to drop antimatter into a stream of something? For some reason I must have skipped that episode this rewatch but I'll be damned if I can remember which episodes I skipped now that I'm through S5, there are so many to remember. That's all I remember about the episode but I think that was literally like the first Star Trek memory I have.
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"We'll Always Have Paris"
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That episode is very dull
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showbiz_liz posted:Five episodes in, and I'm astonished that this didn't get cancelled before whatever the point is where it's supposed to get good. I'm gonna keep going but I will be playing vidja games on my laptop at the same time for a while. Hey you know what, the next two (Where No One Has Gone Before, Lonely Among Us) are actually not bad at all. Minor annoyances but the overall plots are pretty interesting. And I LOVED the ending of Lonely Among Us. These two warring alien groups are really being built up as critically important to something in the narrative, and then by the end of the episode they've totally stopped mattering and you've almost forgotten they exist, and then after the A plot is all wrapped up it's revealed that one of them ATE another one and Picard just says, "never mind, I'm walking out of this narrative thread forever." End of episode. Hilarious!
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showbiz_liz posted:Hey you know what, the next two (Where No One Has Gone Before, Lonely Among Us) are actually not bad at all. Minor annoyances but the overall plots are pretty interesting. And I LOVED the ending of Lonely Among Us. These two warring alien groups are really being built up as critically important to something in the narrative, and then by the end of the episode they've totally stopped mattering and you've almost forgotten they exist, and then after the A plot is all wrapped up it's revealed that one of them ATE another one and Picard just says, "never mind, I'm walking out of this narrative thread forever." End of episode. Hilarious! I just watched this with my girlfriend yesterday and we were both laughing hysterically at the ending. It’s just so wonderfully underplayed.
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showbiz_liz posted:Hey you know what, the next two (Where No One Has Gone Before, Lonely Among Us) are actually not bad at all. Minor annoyances but the overall plots are pretty interesting. And I LOVED the ending of Lonely Among Us. These two warring alien groups are really being built up as critically important to something in the narrative, and then by the end of the episode they've totally stopped mattering and you've almost forgotten they exist, and then after the A plot is all wrapped up it's revealed that one of them ATE another one and Picard just says, "never mind, I'm walking out of this narrative thread forever." End of episode. Hilarious! You're already at the point where season 1 takes flight a little better. It's really the first half dozen episodes or so that are rough getting through. There's some pretty decent stuff ahead of you now for the most part.
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Last night we had a bit of a marathon, watching First Contact followed by the first 2 episodes of DS9 season 6. I have to say I'm definitely more and more coming around to the (oft-stated) opinion that the TNG movies really don't have much of value in them. It's really tough trying to watch these while also going through the best parts of DS9. I was confident that even though Generations was obviously a hot mess, FC would be great viewing. But it was thoroughly just OK. I remember it seeming so badass as a kid, but I guess at this point I've seen so many better action movies, and the character stuff isn't much to speak of. And there's not a whole lot of tension in the Cochrane plot, despite it being generally played pretty well. Everything looks fantastic, but the Cochrane plot never really rises above TV level, despite its importance to Star Trek mythology. And we all know the issues with Picard's character here, so I won't go over those again. DS9 season 6 though, that's just amazing. "Rocks and Shoals" in particular. It's hard to pick a favorite aspect of that episode because both plots nail it. But the thing that sticks out most is the two parallel sequences of Kira's morning routine, pre- and post- incident at the promenade protest. That's some truly brilliant directing and acting.
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showbiz_liz posted:Five episodes in, and I'm astonished that this didn't get cancelled before whatever the point is where it's supposed to get good. I'm gonna keep going but I will be playing vidja games on my laptop at the same time for a while. Shows used to be given a lot more leeway, and viewers had less options so viewership for bad TV didn't crater quite as rapidly. Also, TNG S1 is worse by modern standards than it was by the standards of the time. Which isn't to say that it made for great 1980s TV, but there was a lot of stuff that was even worse that still made it through a few seasons.
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Paradoxish posted:Shows used to be given a lot more leeway, and viewers had less options so viewership for bad TV didn't crater quite as rapidly. Yeah, I'm just spoiled by having watched all of DS9 right before this, which only had one episode I truly can't stand (Profit and Lace). Even Move Along Home and Melora, which get held up as awful disasters, are really just kind of meh, while a lot of these early TNG episodes are objectively much worse.
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I've never understood the hatred for Move Along Home; for a lot of fans it seems way over the top for what that episode is. Even the most meh of DS9's episodes are better than a lot of TV series' best episodes.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I've never understood the hatred for Move Along Home; for a lot of fans it seems way over the top for what that episode is. Even the most meh of DS9's episodes are better than a lot of TV series' best episodes. Move Along Home is a great Trek episode. Unfortunately it's a great TOS episode.
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Admiralty Flag posted:Move Along Home is a great Trek episode. Unfortunately it's a great TOS episode. I'm now picturing Kirk and Spock jumping about saying "Allamaraine" and I hate you for it a little.
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Melora is really not that bad. It's not good, but it's not some awful episode.
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I like it unironically. The set design is a bit naff is all.
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i mostly dont like melora because it creates some very strange boundaries about the womans condition that result in her making what seems to be a totally insane choice. even when its pseudoscience, its basically impossible to believe "ok after we've cured your condition, even a short visit to zero-g five years from now will destroy your central nervous system" and its the only thing that results in her deciding to remain handicapped forever
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Neither of those episodes is literally unwatchable or anything, but they're still pretty bad. Move Along Home is meme-worthy but way more dull than it should be, given the bonkers premise and actually quite amazing set design. And Melora, well, the titular character is just an absolute chore. It's hard to imagine anyone's reaction at the end of the episode being anything other than "welp, glad she's gone"
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why do they bring Kira and Odo along on Defiant missions
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Nodosaur posted:why do they bring Kira and Odo along on Defiant missions They get lonely if you leave them at home
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Ha But seriously they're not Starfleet what are they doing there
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Nodosaur posted:Ha The Sisko demands it.
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Also "The Adversary" puts Odo on communications. Can ANYONE do that job? It makes Uhura look bad.
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The real-life answer is that the Defiant was created as a way to let most (or all) of the cast have adventures off-station. You can only fit about four actors in the runabout cockpit set, and the size of it means they can't really do much beyond sit and poke at their consoles. Babylon 5 ran into the same problem, which is how we got the White Stars. In-universe, my guess is that after Sisko requisitioned the Defiant, the Federation had to do a little bit of negotiation with the Bajoran government over basing rights, since DS9 was jointly operated by Starfleet and the Bajoran Militia. The Bajoran government probably made the Defiant's reassignment to DS9 conditional on the senior militia representatives (Kira and Odo) being allowed to command the ship, as well as the ship being available to handle whatever issues need to be handled in Bajoran space. "Realistically" the Defiant could have had its own separate crew and be wholly under Starfleet control, but that would defeat the purpose of introducing the silly thing to begin with.
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My question is who’s running the station when everyone’s running of in the Defiant.
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Dec 20, 2020 03:21
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The soulless minions of orthodoxy.
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Angry Salami posted:My question is who’s running the station when everyone’s running of in the Defiant.
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The EMH (Emergency Messiah Hologram)
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Just wanting to give a heads up. Was going through Wal-Mart tonight and they had a Polar Lights Model display up advertising having a model for the Discovery. Didn't see one of those, but bought the following: Refit Enterprise NX-74205 Defiant NX-01 kit that allows you to build it like it was on the show or the speculated refit version All are 1:1000. The documentation for one of the models advertised an Oberth model.
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Angry Salami posted:My question is who’s running the station when everyone’s running of in the Defiant. I think Melora doesn't hang together mostly because Melora is not disabled in the sense that a human in a wheelchair is. She is in a hostile environment of unusually high gravity requiring her to use a travel chair. It's like those guys with the breath things in TNG. It would have worked better if her alien makeup represented that she was a Trantorian or whatever, and Trantorian neural tissue can't be regenerated. Or something. Like I get it, and if I wasn't a deep SF nut it wouldn't bother me, but it's a flaw in the premise.
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Angry Salami posted:My question is who’s running the station when everyone’s running of in the Defiant.  "So this is really easy. When a freighter hails you, just answer them -- that's this button here -- and then you just pick one of the open docking ports on that screen, and tell them to go there." "But... this makes no sense. Why am *I* doing this? I'm a clergyman, I work in the Bajoran Temple down in the Promenade. Shouldn't there be a logistics team or something to handle this?" "I usually do this, and I'm the Science Officer. You make just as much sense in this job as I do." ... ... *pushes button* "Freighter Z'Dar, you're cleared to dock at lower pylon 3." "Good man. We'll be back soon."
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Nessus posted:
It's also extra flawed because they explicitly establish that it's only like this on DS9 and on most places she just has to wear an antigrav belt.
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Marshal Radisic posted:In-universe, my guess is that after Sisko requisitioned the Defiant, the Federation had to do a little bit of negotiation with the Bajoran government over basing rights, since DS9 was jointly operated by Starfleet and the Bajoran Militia. The Bajoran government probably made the Defiant's reassignment to DS9 conditional on the senior militia representatives (Kira and Odo) being allowed to command the ship, as well as the ship being available to handle whatever issues need to be handled in Bajoran space. "Realistically" the Defiant could have had its own separate crew and be wholly under Starfleet control, but that would defeat the purpose of introducing the silly thing to begin with. I think it was season 6 where they considered adding a second support ship stationed there that would have filled that role as being wholly to handle Starfleet business with it's own recurring characters, but the idea never panned out.
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Angry Salami posted:My question is who’s running the station when everyone’s running of in the Defiant. A family of Cardassian voles.
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Seemlar posted:I think it was season 6 where they considered adding a second support ship stationed there that would have filled that role as being wholly to handle Starfleet business with it's own recurring characters, but the idea never panned out. That would have been cool, to really expand the idea that this is a real Starfleet base. Could have been an interesting dynamic with a crew of Starfleet regulars clashing with the DS9 regulars.
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