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Nodosaur posted:There’s also the whole premise asking us to forget space isn’t 2D, but that’s normal for Star Trek. Space being presented as unrealistically small, especially the z axis, is one of those conceits that’s often necessary for storytelling but can become distracting at times. It really annoys me in Redemption. The Romulans can't just warp around the tachyon detection grid? It's only 23 starships. Just go a light year to the left of them. Hell, a few hundred thousand kilometres would probably do. But the Romulans are furrowing their brows trying to defeat it with technobabble.
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Kira and Miles should have hooked up that one episode.
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Dec 23, 2020 16:58
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O’Brien is the Bajoran physical ideal.
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Nodosaur posted:But seriously, “Rules of Engagement” has a Klingon lawyer who fails to make a case based on evidence and focuses entirely on Worf’s feelings. If that wasn’t enough, we’re supposed to believe it looks bad for Worf when his judgement comes down to a Vulcan of all people not only tolerating this guy’s constant ad hominem stunts, but that it also convinces her he might be guilty. I hate basically every Space Courtroom episode. They all progress pretty much like: opposing council makes a mildly effective argument that everyone involved should have immediately seen coming. Our heroes are Stunned and Chagrined and immediately call a recess. Only then do they bother space-googling possible counterarguments. This process repeats back and forth several times, until finally either 1. the episode runs out of time and whichever the latest flimsy counterargument the good guys presented is accepted by everyone as a slam dunk, or 2. a completely non-fact-based emotional appeal convinces the bad guys and/or the prosecutor to drop the case.
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Dec 23, 2020 18:02
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I like how in Measure of a Man there is no indication that the trial to determine Data's personhood took any longer than 30 minutes altogether. Love that ep and most all space court eps tho
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Dec 23, 2020 18:16
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Nodosaur posted:But seriously, “Rules of Engagement” has a Klingon lawyer who fails to make a case based on evidence and focuses entirely on Worf’s feelings. If that wasn’t enough, we’re supposed to believe it looks bad for Worf when his judgement comes down to a Vulcan of all people not only tolerating this guy’s constant ad hominem stunts, but that it also convinces her he might be guilty. The material facts of the case are Worf did shoot down that civilian freighter. That doesn't need to be proved. Worf's motivations are the key element of whether it was an unfortunate accident or active criminal negligence. It's the testimony of others showing he was primed to fire on anything and had even premeditated it and talked about it with others.
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showbiz_liz posted:I hate basically every Space Courtroom episode. They all progress pretty much like: opposing council makes a mildly effective argument that everyone involved should have immediately seen coming. Our heroes are Stunned and Chagrined and immediately call a recess. Only then do they bother space-googling possible counterarguments. This process repeats back and forth several times, until finally either 1. the episode runs out of time and whichever the latest flimsy counterargument the good guys presented is accepted by everyone as a slam dunk, or 2. a completely non-fact-based emotional appeal convinces the bad guys and/or the prosecutor to drop the case. All of the court drama episodes, up to at least DS9 (I haven't watched any series past that), have that basic pattern. Measure of a Man is probably the most effective and realistic of them, but I do like the real-time testimony effect in Rules of Engagement.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:The material facts of the case are Worf did shoot down that civilian freighter. That doesn't need to be proved. Worf's motivations are the key element of whether it was an unfortunate accident or active criminal negligence. It's the testimony of others showing he was primed to fire on anything and had even premeditated it and talked about it with others. That’s a good point. Maybe I need to reconsider it.
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Rules of Engagement is a good episode Plus you get Ron Canada as the Klingon lawyer and he really goes all in with that role
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Dec 23, 2020 19:05
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Regardless of the courtroom realism or lack thereof, Sisko's dressing down of Worf afterward is pretty great. It gives the episode something resembling a point beyond just whether they win or lose the case.
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ISN'T IT POSSIBLE
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:but I do like the real-time testimony effect in Rules of Engagement. Same. The "talking directly to the camera during a flashback" thing really does add a lot of visual novelty to what would otherwise be an episode full of people sitting in a courtroom talking (with occasional cuts to normal flashbacks).
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Shofixti posted:Space being presented as unrealistically small, especially the z axis, is one of those conceits that’s often necessary for storytelling but can become distracting at times. Star Trek space actually used the OG DooM engine until DS9, thus ships were infinitely tall until the mid 90s or so.
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I actually really enjoy the one where O'Brien goes on trial in Cardassia, but that's because the court system in that episode isn't SUPPOSED to make logical sense by human standards.
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mythicknight posted:Kira and Miles should have hooked up that one episode.
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I rewatched Star Trek: Nemesis after ten years, because while playing the Wasteland and Romulan Mystery storylines in Star Trek Online, I found myself asking "What did Remans do in Star Trek: Nemesis again? What's thalaron? Who is Donatra?" The game does a good job of explaining just about anything else for people who have never watched any particular part of the franchise, even what Vulcans and Trill are, though. The opening scenes like the wedding were good, and I actually liked the dune buggy sequence, but then it just takes a nosedive once they try to establish Shinzon as the villain by having him be creepy toward Deanna Troi and then having her mind-raped for the umpteenth time. Before Shinzon's mask came off, Picard's response toward Shinzon saying "everything he did was for Reman liberation" being "How many Romulans died?" comes off as crass, like saying "How many slaveowners died for your freedom?" to a slave assisting John Brown. Picard also says that Shinzon "isn't Reman", but it seems like he should understand that someone can adopt another culture as their own. Bringing cliche clone inadequacy into it was dumb when there were so many other motivations such as "We're warriors, and that's all we can ever be", the second half of that being the undoing of so many people, was right there in the same conversation. The B-4 storyline, or maybe just the part where Data uploads his memories to B-4, was a bad idea because it takes away from the impact of Data's sacrifice by making its outcome ambiguous. Data could already relate to the Picard/Shinzon issue because of Lore. They should've given the B-4 part of the movie, some of the scenes with Shinzon (many were redundant and included repeated lines), and half the action scenes to the cast aside from Picard and Data. There are a lot of deleted scenes on YouTube that are so much better than what they kept in. Aside from the B-4 part of the movie, the core idea is good and they didn't execute it as well as they could have, like many things in Star Trek. I thought it was a good movie, though, as far as movies go. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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galenanorth posted:I rewatched Star Trek: Nemesis after ten years, because while playing the Wasteland and Romulan Mystery storylines, I found myself asking "What did Remans do in Star Trek: Nemesis again? What's thalaron? Who is Donatra?" The game does a good job of explaining just about anything else for people who have never watched any particular part of the franchise, even what Vulcans and Trill are, though. Wasn't there also a line read bit (on the Enterprise set, I think) between Hardy & Stewart that feels way more authentic than what they went with? I remember that someone did a youtube video doing a compare & contrast and it's like night and day.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Wasn't there also a line read bit (on the Enterprise set, I think) between Hardy & Stewart that feels way more authentic than what they went with? I remember that someone did a youtube video doing a compare & contrast and it's like night and day. I’ve seen this, and you’re right. I think it really comes down to Baird’s direction for everything seeming...off. The script really isn’t trash. It’s not fantastic, but in better hands, Nemesis could have gone down a lot smoother.
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Hmm, yes, I agree: changing literally anything in Nemesis would have improved it.
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HD DAD posted:I’ve seen this, and you’re right. I think it really comes down to Baird’s direction for everything seeming...off. The script really isn’t trash. It’s not fantastic, but in better hands, Nemesis could have gone down a lot smoother. Yeah the script was surprisingly competent for what it had to be, and the guy who wrote it has some quality work to this name elsewhere in Hollywood--Gladiator, The Aviator, The Last Samurai, Any Given Sunday, Rango, Skyfall--things start flying apart when you hand it to a guy who'd barely directed poo poo before that and hasn't done a thing in the director's chair since. It makes me wonder what Nemesis would have been like if Frakes had directed it instead.
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Shofixti posted:Space being presented as unrealistically small, especially the z axis, is one of those conceits that’s often necessary for storytelling but can become distracting at times. That's the episode that made the most sense since the blockade doesn't have to stop the Romulans dead, just block the most direct route so that going around takes longer than their allies can hold out. And they wisely never state exactly how wide the net is, those ships could've each been lightyears apart for all we know. The only hard number stated is when Sela disrupts the grid around Data's ship, causing a gap of ten million kilometers' radius, but that doesn't mean anything in relation to the wider net.
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I just watched the TNG where Riker keeps getting abducted in his sleep and I always laugh at how the whole holodeck table scene escalates. *Appears: Wooden incline table — perfectly innocent looking but weird* “Make this a metal table” *Appears: weird GITMO style torture table*
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This is very good https://youtu.be/3KvWwJ6sh5s
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Martytoof posted:I just watched the TNG where Riker keeps getting abducted in his sleep and I always laugh at how the whole holodeck table scene escalates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoMeeIpIbOs&t=7s
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McSpanky posted:That's the episode that made the most sense since the blockade doesn't have to stop the Romulans dead, just block the most direct route so that going around takes longer than their allies can hold out. And they wisely never state exactly how wide the net is, those ships could've each been lightyears apart for all we know. I mean, that's fair they don't give numbers. I guess I always imagined it as relatively narrow tachyon beams traveling point to point between the ships like tripwires. If the ships were far enough apart to require a meaningful amount of warp travel time to circumvent the net, then the gaps in the net would probably be massive considering it's only 23 ships. But admittedly this is all based on me imagining it like a gigantic fishing net when it could have been more like a blanket.
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It's funny to me how joined Trill are established as having to be upright, noble, hardworking, smart members of society...and then the actual Dax Symbiont is reckless, stupid, and horny. Torias crashed a spaceship a month after getting a body, Joran murdered a dude, Curzon was uh. Curzon. Jadzia constantly broke Trill laws, to the point she was nearly exiled for it. Alternate timeline Yedrin tried condemning the entire senior staff of DS9 to death. If Dax was a host trying to get a symbiont, they'd be rejected INSTANTLY.
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what was Janeway's animal guide? wrong answers only
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Protagorean posted:what was Janeway's animal guide? wrong answers only The DeWalt 20V MAX* XR® Brushless 1/2 in. Cordless Hammer Drill/Driver
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Protagorean posted:what was Janeway's animal guide? wrong answers only Garfield
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Protagorean posted:what was Janeway's animal guide? wrong answers only She made friends with an alien monkey while chakotay was trying to get into her pants by promising to construct her a hot tub and talking about foot rubs. Lamebot fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Protagorean posted:what was Janeway's animal guide? wrong answers only Spider-Barclay.
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Protagorean posted:what was Janeway's animal guide? wrong answers only salamander too obvious?
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Protagorean posted:what was Janeway's animal guide? wrong answers only Oh wait, you said wrong answers.
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Protagorean posted:what was Janeway's animal guide? wrong answers only
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The bones of Chakotay's ancestors
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Yvonmukluk posted:The talking spider that tells her YOU SHOULD EAT HARRY. Her spirit animal was Barclay?
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CPColin posted:The bones of Chakotay's ancestors They didn't have bones, they were made of rubber.
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Protagorean posted:what was Janeway's animal guide? wrong answers only A sehlat.
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The whole thing with Kira and Mirror Bareil is funny. No, Kira, don't fall for it, he only looks like Vedek Bareil, but he has a completely different personali...... Y'know what, go get it, I'm not sure I see the problem here
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