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From a couple pages ago, but who the hell was arguing that Quark is a good character and a good person? He sells out the entire station like three episodes into season 2, nearly getting Dax killed, and he only helps Sisko and company retake the station and save Dax because he gets double crossed. The entire crew then acts like everything is forgiven simply because he helped at the end and it's never mentioned again. And that's only one of a multitude of instances where he does something illegal and ends up putting someone on the crew/the station in danger. I can't fathom why he wasn't locked up by Odo or Sisko forever. The only thing I ever liked about his character was his scene with Nog in the Siege of AR-558 where they talk about human nature.
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Gordon Shumway posted:From a couple pages ago, but who the hell was arguing that Quark is a good character and a good person? He doesn't have to be a good person to be a good character.
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Jan 18, 2021 01:46
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Quark is great. And he does awful poo poo. And, despite the awful poo poo, he is much more Fed-style moral than most Ferengi we see.
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Jan 18, 2021 01:55
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showbiz_liz posted:He doesn't have to be a good person to be a good character. Quark is a good character in part because he isn't a good person. The TNG characters tended to be so squeaky clean that someone like Quark who wasn't a boy scout was refreshing.
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Jan 18, 2021 02:02
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Ferengi should be able to shoot poison from their eyes when scared
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Jan 18, 2021 02:04
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Between the episode where Quark almost gets Dax killed and a later episode where he sells weapons to the Maquis I'm amazed he didn't get thrown in some Federation prison.
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Jan 18, 2021 02:10
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8one6 posted:Fanon is they didn't have antimatter warp engines. The "simple impulse" meaning fusion reactors because that's what starfleet uses to power impulse engines. In my headcanon the Romulans spent centuries basically stagnating after leaving Vulcan. Deeply conservative and not much more advanced than late 21st century humans it would have taken that splinter group a long time just to rebuild back to where they were on Vulcan. Then they didn't have any major rivals or great desire to explore so things stayed largely at that point until they butted heads with Earth and then the Federation leading to a rapid advancement in abilities.
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Jan 18, 2021 02:22
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Quark is a good character in part because he isn't a good person. Years ago I got into a..um...discussion over how it's possible to like a disreputable character but not like what they do or represent. Apparently I am a monster because I liked Jack Bauer.
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Jan 18, 2021 02:48
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Mister Kingdom posted:Years ago I got into a..um...discussion over how it's possible to like a disreputable character but not like what they do or represent. I could understand that if you missed the point of a character like, say, Scarface and thought they were someone to be admired and emulated. Part of what makes Quark such a great character is that he's morally complex without being someone whose behavior you'd want to copy. Liking a lovely person doesn't make you a monster. Overlooking why they're a piece of poo poo and thinking that they're a role model is what would make you a monster.
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Jan 18, 2021 02:59
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Gordon Shumway posted:From a couple pages ago, but who the hell was arguing that Quark is a good character and a good person? He sells out the entire station like three episodes into season 2, nearly getting Dax killed, and he only helps Sisko and company retake the station and save Dax because he gets double crossed. The entire crew then acts like everything is forgiven simply because he helped at the end and it's never mentioned again. And that's only one of a multitude of instances where he does something illegal and ends up putting someone on the crew/the station in danger. I can't fathom why he wasn't locked up by Odo or Sisko forever. The only thing I ever liked about his character was his scene with Nog in the Siege of AR-558 where they talk about human nature. lol equating legality with morality is authoritarian brained stupidity as to him doing bad poo poo otherwise, yes and it's all precisely what his culture sees as virtuous and correct behavior. one of Quark's long running issues is that while he wants and tries to be a good Ferengi--meaning absolute piece of poo poo--his internal moral compass which aligns nearer to the liberal standards of the federation rarely allows him to be, and he gets hosed repeatedly by Ferengi authorities for it
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Jan 18, 2021 03:36
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think they were planning to reveal who Future Guy was in the 5th season. It was supposed to be Archer or something? Big Mean Jerk posted:I think they also said that at one point they floated the idea of him being a Romulan who was trying to gently caress with early Starfleet for ~reasons~. I'm not saying Future Guy is S4 Michael Burnham, but I'm not not saying it either.
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Astroman posted:I'm not saying Future Guy is S4 Michael Burnham, but I'm not not saying it either. Future Guy is Tilly, and she's loving with Archer through time because she's bored.
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nine-gear crow posted:Future Guy is Tilly, and she's loving with Archer through time because she's bored. That feels like more of a Mariner thing.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Years ago I got into a..um...discussion over how it's possible to like a disreputable character but not like what they do or represent. Yeah but lots of people can't make this distinction See: Walter White fans
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Jan 18, 2021 07:10
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if someone tries to argue that liking a character in a show necessarily has anything to do with thinking the char is a good person then the person making the argument is a completely loving lost cause. just an absolute waste of space w/r/t any literature or media analysis
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Powered Descent posted:That feels like more of a Mariner thing. While I want it to be Burnham, a random B or C plot on Lower Decks where some character has some device where they think it's a game and they are pretending to be from the future and are telling some yellow guys what to do in the past would be just as hilarious.
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Verviticus posted:if someone tries to argue that liking a character in a show necessarily has anything to do with thinking the char is a good person then the person making the argument is a completely loving lost cause. just an absolute waste of space w/r/t any literature or media analysis
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yeah those people tell on themselves so obviously that its not really worth considering in a way that isnt case by case
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Wheeee posted:as to him doing bad poo poo otherwise, yes and it's all precisely what his culture sees as virtuous and correct behavior. one of Quark's long running issues is that while he wants and tries to be a good Ferengi--meaning absolute piece of poo poo--his internal moral compass which aligns nearer to the liberal standards of the federation rarely allows him to be, and he gets hosed repeatedly by Ferengi authorities for it Yeah, this. It's easy to be a good person when you live in a fully automated luxury communist utopia. Quark is a good character and a good person because following his internal moral compass means he has to sacrifice his cultural heritage, his place in Ferengi society, and also what he tells himself about what he wants. Quark often does bad things before he comes around to reluctantly doing the right thing, but the point is that it's significantly harder for him to be a good person. e: I mean, Sisko commits crimes an order of magnitude worse than anything Quark ever contemplates
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Jan 18, 2021 12:56
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Last DS9 episode I watched, Worf decided to get involved with a little light terrorism against Risa and there didn't seem to be any great consequences.
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Unkempt posted:Last DS9 episode I watched, Worf decided to get involved with a little light terrorism against Risa and there didn't seem to be any great consequences. Worf literally decided to rain on everyone's parade. 8one6 fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jan 18, 2021 |
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Jan 18, 2021 14:26
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What happens on Risa stays on Risa
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I like to pretend that Worf doesn't get in trouble because it wasn't real. It was just Worf Fantasy Day at MGM Risa.
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Every Starfleet officer gets at least one pass for a major messup, no questions asked. It's the Archer-Phlox paradigm.
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Garak Did Nothing Wrong
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I just finished DS9. I didn't binge it at all. I watched 1 a week for the last 3 and a half years. That last credit roll really hits hard thinking about how much time has passed.
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2018-2021 has been extremely cursed.
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Alchenar posted:Yeah, this. It's easy to be a good person when you live in a fully automated luxury communist utopia. Quark is a good character and a good person because following his internal moral compass means he has to sacrifice his cultural heritage, his place in Ferengi society, and also what he tells himself about what he wants. Quark often does bad things before he comes around to reluctantly doing the right thing, but the point is that it's significantly harder for him to be a good person. quark comes pretty drat close to selling a mutagenic virus to a clearly unhinged psychopathic monarch with the explicit stated desire to do a 28 million dead war crime and only really doesnt do it because dax and sisko intimidate him in different ways quark basically has access to the utopia and chooses to live outside it by doing small and large crimes. he also tries to stay behind and literally just loving take over earth in the 20th century as its supreme merchant overlord, knowing that it would destroy the federation and wildly gently caress up the universe!! the difference here is that sisko is presented with such authority that nobody questions his warcrimes and then is 'vindicated' when everything turns out alright. you can imagine the damage done if garak failed to kill vreenak, for instance. quark on the other hand is constantly talked out of doing bad things by whichever main cast character at the time nags him enough because hes always looking to do bad things for money but just lacks the conviction to say no Verviticus fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jan 18, 2021 |
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Sash! posted:I like to pretend that Worf doesn't get in trouble because it wasn't real. It was just Worf Fantasy Day at MGM Risa. With holodecks, why would you even want to travel to Risa? Even if you wanted to meet with someone, you could do that via holoconference. Hell, get the tech advanced enough and you could gently caress each other too. Maybe Worf was actually mad at the conspicuous consumption happening within the communist utopia (he absolutely was not doing this).
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risa: welcome to the sex planet, would you like to get laid sir? worf: terrorism is cool
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Organic Lube User posted:With holodecks, why would you even want to travel to Risa? Even if you wanted to meet with someone, you could do that via holoconference. Hell, get the tech advanced enough and you could gently caress each other too. Because it isn't real. They sort of ignore it after a while, but there's enough talk about the Holodeck not being a perfect recreation. Like how Picard got all philosophical when he touched the Phoenix. He could go into a Holodeck and look and touch the Phoenix in there, but that's just a forcefield. It isn't the Phoenix.
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Sash! posted:Because it isn't real. They sort of ignore it after a while, but there's enough talk about the Holodeck not being a perfect recreation. he's dumb, picard is no more real, due to transporter use
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thotsky posted:he's dumb, picard is no more real, due to transporter use Speaking of opinions that mark people as lost causes
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Forget holodecks, does Bajor not have a nice beach they could visit? Is Risa really that much nicer that it's worth all cramming into a runabout for days to get there?
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Jan 19, 2021 03:56
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they don't go to risa for those beaches
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Angry Salami posted:Forget holodecks, does Bajor not have a nice beach they could visit? Is Risa really that much nicer that it's worth all cramming into a runabout for days to get there? Risa has dick statues Bajor has Bajorans
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where the heck did Rom get 5000 bars of latinum to buy Quark's bar?
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Nodosaur posted:where the heck did Rom get 5000 bars of latinum to buy Quark's bar? That's Dabo girl money, my friend!
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HD DAD posted:risa: welcome to the sex planet, would you like to get laid sir? lol I just watched that one and this is accurate
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