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Cup Runneth Over posted:e: Seriously, who went out to vote to ban plastic bags and speed up the death penalty? It wasn't just California, the American voters in several states showed overwhelming support for two main things: 1. Legal weed 2. The death penalty So yeah 
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Sydin posted:It wasn't just California, the American voters in several states showed overwhelming support for two main things: Unless you're operating on the Democratic/Republican axis, I don't really see what one has to do with the other.
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Elyv posted:Unless you're operating on the Democratic/Republican axis, I don't really see what one has to do with the other. I mean, legal weed is backed by the concept of overcriminalization and innocent people going to jail. The death penalty is backed by the concept of recidivism and criminals being horrible people who deserve to die.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:45
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I mean, legal weed is backed by the concept of overcriminalization and innocent people going to jail. The death penalty is backed by the concept of recidivism and criminals being horrible people who deserve to die. They fit together in a "just world" worldview where I should get to do what I want and murderers are baddies who deserve to die.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:52
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I mean California also voted Yes on 57, so apparently when it comes to the treatment of non-violent felons & underage criminals Californians are wonderfully progressive but if you're on death row then lol you're a 100% guaranteed piece of poo poo, let's gut their appeals process and also make them slaves while we're at it for good measure.Elyv posted:Unless you're operating on the Democratic/Republican axis, I don't really see what one has to do with the other. I guess I just didn't expect the death penalty to enjoy such a wide base of support even among progressives.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:55
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I mean, legal weed is backed by the concept of overcriminalization and innocent people going to jail. The death penalty is backed by the concept of recidivism and criminals being horrible people who deserve to die. Either that, or legal weed is backed by the concept of "I wanna smoke weed."
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Nov 9, 2016 19:58
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Trabisnikof posted:They fit together in a "just world" worldview where I should get to do what I want and murderers are baddies who deserve to die. raminasi posted:Either that, or legal weed is backed by the concept of "I wanna smoke weed." These were basically what I was thinking(more the second one)
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Nov 9, 2016 20:05
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raminasi posted:Either that, or legal weed is backed by the concept of "I wanna smoke weed." "I wanna smoke cigarettes" was not enough to stop Prop 56 and I'd argue more people smoke cigarettes.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:09
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Cup Runneth Over posted:"I wanna smoke cigarettes" was not enough to stop Prop 56 and I'd argue more people smoke cigarettes. Prop 56 wasn't an outright ban, and I'm not even sure I'll accept that CA has more cigarette smokers than weed smokers on faith.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:14
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I just went to the Secretary of State's site and the really tight races won't be decided until they count the votes by mail (which don't have to arrive for two more days), the provisional ballots, and the damaged ballots. District 7's Ami Bera (anybody know about the district or the candidate?) is trailing by 94 votes. http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/close-contests/
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Nov 9, 2016 20:15
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raminasi posted:Prop 56 wasn't an outright ban, and I'm not even sure I'll accept that CA has more cigarette smokers than weed smokers on faith. Hey man some of us enjoy both
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Nov 9, 2016 20:17
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Sydin posted:
Some "progressives" are actually populists.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:21
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raminasi posted:Prop 56 wasn't an outright ban, and I'm not even sure I'll accept that CA has more cigarette smokers than weed smokers on faith.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:24
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My family are the types who both voted for legal weed and kill all the crims. Yet none of them use it. That I know of...
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Nov 9, 2016 20:31
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My State Senate and State Assembly races have 3,887 and 1,542 votes separating them respectively right now. the state senator (probably) is basically a libertarian republican who ran a fairly low-effort campaign. the likely state assemblywoman is a latina woman who used to have the assembly seat and lost in in 2014.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:40
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Cup Runneth Over posted:e: Also we should not secede from the U.S., Brexit was incredibly dumb and self-sabotaging. The thought that occurred to me that made me think, as emotionally satisfying as it is, a CalExit isn't actually a good idea is that I think I now understand how nationalists, Brexit voters, and Trump voters feel. It's just, everything sucks. California's paying so much to and because of the rest of the country and Trump is only going to make it worse, and it's not our fault. We repudiated Trump about as hard as we could, with him not breaking 35% of our vote, and were a major factor in him losing the popular vote, and it didn't matter because we're stuck in a system that sucks for us. I don't know. Like I said, whenever I try to write more I realize I'm just sounding like a leftist Trumpist/Brexiteer, but people I know and care about may well die as a result of this election. The idea of saying "gently caress it", cutting off from all the assholes responsible for this, and doing our best to protect who we can and be better than this is appealing. It is, again, basically a leftist Brexit I can project whatever I want to on it and that probably wouldn't turn out nearly as great as I'd hope, but it's fun to imagine given the future we're actually heading towards instead.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:49
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Roland Jones posted:The thought that occurred to me that made me think, as emotionally satisfying as it is, a CalExit isn't actually a good idea is that I think I now understand how nationalists, Brexit voters, and Trump voters feel. #Calremainia I think you're quite right. I never thought I would take solace in state's rights. Cup Runneth Over fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 20:52
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Do we know whether or not the Ds have supermajorities again? Googling is finding me pre-election news.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:57
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Lycus posted:Do we know whether or not the Ds have supermajorities again? Googling is finding me pre-election news. It's still being counted but it looks like they'll have one in the Assembly and be one seat short in the Senate.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:59
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Lycus posted:Do we know whether or not the Ds have supermajorities again? Googling is finding me pre-election news. Ballotpedia suggests Ds have 55 of 80 Assembly seats now, which is a supermajority. Not sure about the State Senate, we won 15 of 20 races there. How many did we need to win? e: We lost districts 25 and 27 and gained districts 21 and 29. We failed to unseat any incumbents. So that looks like a wash.
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Nov 9, 2016 21:06
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FCKGW posted:
The side effects of LA gentrification. So total GOP control of the government will mean that legal weed here will die, huh? At least the porn industry will stay in CA, for now. If there is a silver lining in any of this, it that there will be a lot of good punk music being made over the next four years.
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Nov 9, 2016 21:34
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Roland Jones posted:I don't know. Like I said, whenever I try to write more I realize I'm just sounding like a leftist Trumpist/Brexiteer, but people I know and care about may well die as a result of this election. The idea of saying "gently caress it", cutting off from all the assholes responsible for this, and doing our best to protect who we can and be better than this is appealing. I wonder if Medi-Cal will survive. I have two kids who'll be depending on it once Obamacare is repealed.
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Nov 9, 2016 21:49
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Yeah, this. All of this. It's a fantasy, but hey, sometimes a person needs a good fantasy. CA is bluer than it's been in a long time. If anything this is the state that will fight back the hardest.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:37
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Yeah, this. All of this. It's a fantasy, but hey, sometimes a person needs a good fantasy. The Medicaid expansion will lose its funding with the repeal of the PPACA. California may take up that slack with additional funding but it would require more revenue and CA democrats don't have the supermajority in the state senate so good luck passing a tax increase. So, maybe but doesn't look good.
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Yes, but there is the legit question of how the state will pay for social services if another recession hits and tax revenue dries up again.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:40
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Dead Reckoning posted:Yes, but there is the legit question of how the state will pay for social services if another recession hits and tax revenue dries up again. Massive cuts and borrowing*. * 2 billion at a time.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:52
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I just went to the Secretary of State's site and the really tight races won't be decided until they count the votes by mail (which don't have to arrive for two more days), the provisional ballots, and the damaged ballots. This is the eastern suburbs of Sacramento. Ami Bera needs to cut his hair, but he showed up to the Chicken Festival this year to shake hands and talk with voters, so I voted for him. Scott Jones was our sheriff and apparently hates Hezbellah and processing rape kits in a timely matter.
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poo poo, forgot that the bag ban went into effect immediately. Walmart already switched to these slightly thicker plastic bags at $.10 each.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:CA is bluer than it's been in a long time. If anything this is the state that will fight back the hardest. quote:SACRAMENTO – California Senate President pro Tempore Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) and California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D-Paramount) released the following statement on the results of the President election: Cynical attempt to harness progressive outrage for establishment ends? Or the beginning of the new Democratic Party we're gonna need?
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Nov 9, 2016 23:12
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Is it safe to move back yet? I want to go back to San Diego soon.
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Nov 9, 2016 23:15
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raminasi posted:That's the official line, anyway California went to Clinton so probably the former.
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raminasi posted:That's the official line, anyway A+ on them for making that statement in English and Spanish.
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It will be interesting to see if Californian tech/media companies gave for free (in exchange for ads and data) Trump and his supporters media channels and organizational tools that helped push him to victory. Facebook might be the biggest example where the Trump campaign and his supporters may have successfully used the platform to organize and filter out negative news.
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Nov 9, 2016 23:30
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:Is it safe to move back yet? I want to go back to San Diego soon. Yeah. If anything, this state is the safest place in USA.
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:Is it safe to move back yet? I want to go back to San Diego soon. Expensive but safe, yes. Just don't do anything to wind up on death row.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I wonder if Medi-Cal will survive. I have two kids who'll be depending on it once Obamacare is repealed. If the ACA is repealed, I legitimately think there's the political will to replace it with a statewide single payer system. It nearly happened before the ACA was passed, then it got back-burnered. https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/single-payer-health-insurance-bill-orphaned-in-california/#! Family Values fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Note that at its core, Medi-Cal is California's version of Medicare/Medicaid. And no republican administration would be so blindingly stupid as to cut either of those. But I'm sure a republican congress can figure out some way to try to gently caress California just out of spite, so we'll see. I think rolling back ACA would de-qualify some people from Medi-Cal?
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Family Values posted:If the ACA is repealed, I legitimately think there's the political will to replace it with a statewide single payer system. It nearly happened before the ACA was passed, then it got back-burnered. This would be an uphill struggle but it would be A Good Thing for the country, and another opportunity for the state to lead by example.
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Family Values posted:If the ACA is repealed, I legitimately think there's the political will to replace it with a statewide single payer system. It nearly happened before the ACA was passed, then it got back-burnered. Noggin Monkey posted:This would be an uphill struggle but it would be A Good Thing for the country, and another opportunity for the state to lead by example. ColoradoCare failed, but CaliforniaCare... Hm. Well, it's a nice thought. I really hope we see something good soon, at least. We can keep CalExit as a backup plan if everything really goes to hell. Try to bring Oregon, Washington, and maybe Nevada with us, call the new nation "Best Coast". Edit: I'm mostly joking here; I still stand behind everything I said earlier re: CalExit. If nothing else, Trump won without the popular vote, and with fewer votes than Romney or McCain. A proper resistance should crush him. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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I suspect California has trade and fixed plant leverage the United Kingdom (England and Wales, really) doesn't. California might actually become MORE valuable as an antipode to Trump's America (and half the Internet has too much invested here to just pick up sticks - warning, Trump probably knows this; expect The Boot even if we don't try to leave) and is still too much port capacity to ignore if you're a freight carrier based on sheer logistics, unless you want to go through the Canal or around the Americas entirely, which your bean-counters will just love. England is mostly valuable for its proximity to the EU while doing business in a trade language and not being left (which will become markedly less valuable once it's no longer in the EU and that stuff moves to Ireland and a probable independent Scotland) and is one day's navigation removed from Europe's actual sea trade hubs that are on a mainland and not a big island impractically far off the coast. On the other hand, England doesn't have to import its water and power, and it's a lot harder making up survival from thin air than an economy.
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