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Javes posted:You'd think losing 900+ seats since 2008 would maybe force a change in strategy for the DNC but nope FULL STEAM AHEAD ON CENTRISM. Double Down, Triple Down, what are we on now?
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evilweasel posted:yeah, see, you are the precise sort of idiot i'm talking about I was being a little hyperbolic, but seeing the Schumer tweet was disheartening.
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Erotically I posted:This. Abandoning the Pro-choice movement is a terrible loving idea.
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I still think it would be hilarious if Trump scoots away from this totally scot free but all of the political insiders that tried to manipulate him for their own evil ends got hosed and put in jail.
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evilweasel posted:i pretty vehemently disagree with funding pro-life candidates in all but those cases where there's no other real option, but for all of those people going gently caress THE DNC FOR DOING THIS drat CENTRISTS bernie has been doing it too, most notably in that mayoral election in omaha where bernie campaigned vigorously in favor of a pro-life mayor (who lost) Radish posted:He's wrong there too. This is something I don't think should be compromised on. Javes posted:You'd think losing 900+ seats since 2008 would maybe force a change in strategy for the DNC but nope FULL STEAM AHEAD ON CENTRISM.
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I'm in favor of challenging Republicans in every district with Democrats must always agree with me. It's amazing to me that people still think party polarization is a good thing.
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democrats absolutely do need to accept people who share 75% of our values in states where that's a home run compared to the alternative and i would much rather have the house back in Democratic hands with the blue dog caucus still a thing than a republican house but i vehemently disagree with singling out abortion rights as the area to compromise: its one thing to say "look, we're going to support the best people who will work with us and while they may not agree with us on everything, we're going to support the people we can work with" it's quite another to single out abortion rights as the thing to compromise on
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Radish posted:From what I understand they are going to stop having "pro-life" as a deal breaker for funding local candidates. The problem is that pro-life is just code for punishing women and has little to do with actually protecting babies or lowing the rate of abortions as has been discussed here many times so allowing the party to even put their toe into that is opening the door for even more concessions on other social policies. It's a very disturbing idea that they are looking at Trump's voters and deciding that they need some of those people and are willing to compromise with them on issues that affect women's health and doesn't leave a good feeling they won't abandon other groups. For many of the districts they need to win in order to regain the house (and statehouses), prolife is a cultural marker of Christianity, which remains in itself the cultural center of many of these communities. From a messaging and moral standpoint, it's abysmal they're showing openness to this. As a purely practical matter, 20 pro life members of a 230 member caucus aren't changing any bills provided competent leadership (like Pelosi) is in charge. The strongest will take the hits of voting for the babykilling bills in exchange for heavier support during reelection. Sneakster posted:Yes, it is Sprinting to the right by making the hardcharging ex labor secretary chairman. No Democrat is as beloved by the Chamber of Commerce as Perez! 
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botany posted:they won the loving vote by 3 million votes They lost the popular vote in states where they need to win seats in congress next year.
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Radish posted:I still think it would be hilarious if Trump scoots away from this totally scot free but all of the political insiders that tried to manipulate him for their own evil ends got hosed and put in jail. That's a relatively likely outcome. He's going to be very difficult to convict just because his lawyers will likely be able to get hung juries and he's only got so much longer to live given his health issues.
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Xombie posted:They lost the popular vote in midwestern states, and lost seats in both the senate and the house. they won seats in the house and the senate. six and two, respectively (net).
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fishing with the fam posted:During college someone mentioned putting a dash of cinnamon in their coffee grounds before brewing. I did that a couple times and enjoyed it. One day though, I accidentally grabbed the cumin instead. That day was a bad day. Suffice to say, you are a monster. I have been trying to do this but the cinnamon just melts into tar and clogs the coffee press.
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Xombie posted:They lost the popular vote in midwestern states, and lost seats in both the senate and the house. Oh poo poo. Quick! I lost 80lbs religiously counting calories until I built better eating habits. I've maintained for three years now and am closing in on my weight lifting goal of benching my old, fat weight.
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Sneakster posted:Yes, it is He's very popular among people who don't vote in midterm elections, and won't vote for Republicans when they do. evilweasel posted:they won seats in the house and the senate. six and two, respectively (net). Joke's on you, I remembered that as soon as I typed it and ninja'd.
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Xombie posted:They lost the popular vote in states where they need to win seats in congress next year. Clinton being 3x closer than Feingold and Portman outrunning Trump throws a bit of cold water on the Populism Prescription for what ails the Dems in the midwest...
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Xombie posted:He's very popular among people who don't vote in midterm elections, and won't vote for Republicans when they do. Dejawesp posted:I have been trying to do this but the cinnamon just melts into tar and clogs the coffee press.
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Koalas March posted:Hannity getting taken down would be the icing on the cake. Beaten up > taken down Be afraid of his mma training tho lmao
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Have you guys talked about the grand jury that's been convened for the Trump-Russia thing?quote:The special counsel investigating claims of Russian meddling in the US election has begun using a grand jury in Washington, reports say. Seems like pretty good news. I'm eager to find out and read the book about this a year or two from now when it's all revealed.
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Paracaidas posted:Clinton being 3x closer than Feingold and Portman outrunning Trump throws a bit of cold water on the Populism Prescription for what ails the Dems in the midwest... yeah, i have seen very little real reckoning with feingold's loss and what it means. he ran against an idiot, who was widely considered a dead man walking, and who got no support from the national party as a result. and he still lost - by four points i don't know why he lost, what it means, or have any idea at all on how to fix it, but it really blows a very big hole in arguments that clinton's loss in wisconsin was unique to her. same with "its all the dnc's fault": feingold is pretty much the sort of senator the bernie wing likes.
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Ok, fine, I'm forced to concede that there has been one good thing about a Trump presidency.
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Sneakster posted:People born after the dustbowl is a pretty big group. They they can be the biggest group of pretend voters all they want. Until they actually have an impact on something, the DNC is better off not alienating actual midterm voters by pandering to them.
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evilweasel posted:yeah, i have seen very little real reckoning with feingold's loss and what it means. he ran against an idiot, who was widely considered a dead man walking, and who got no support from the national party as a result. and he still lost - by four points I mean, he did lose during the 2010 tea party wave election.
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stillvisions posted:Coke Zero was supposed to get men to drink low-calorie beverages, because men have historically avoided soft drinks with the word "diet" in them. Hence the black label. Shut the gently caress up
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Mustached Demon posted:Oh poo poo. This is a trick! Your old, fat soul is stuck in your weights and when you lift it it will try to re-enter your body. Fill your mouth with salt first.
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i think it's a mistake to think that the midterm electorate is fixed and is going to be the same as the 2010/2014 electorate i think that the all-republican government repeatedly faceplanting and trying to make their health bill as unpopular as humanly possible without specifically decreeing executions will depress republican turnout and the need to do something, anything, to limit trump will motivate democrats and independents to get out and vote
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DrSunshine posted:Have you guys talked about the grand jury that's been convened for the Trump-Russia thing? It seems like a defense against getting fired. Grand Juries are special beasts. They have immense power and very little oversight. If Mueller gets fired the grand jury stays empanelled.
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DrSunshine posted:Have you guys talked about the grand jury that's been convened for the Trump-Russia thing? The thread that posts up-to-the-minute Trump tweets didn't discuss the big development in the Mueller investigation. Yup. You're the first one to post it.
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evilweasel posted:i think it's a mistake to think that the midterm electorate is fixed and is going to be the same as the 2010/2014 electorate I don't doubt that. I just doubt that millenials will come out to vote, which is where most of the Bernie crowd lies. Berniebros have shown themselves to be ideological purists, and you can't actually get one vote from without turning off two Gen-X/Boomer swing voters. And even then it's a coin toss as to whether they'll show up.
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My concern is that yes, there is a chance that the GOP turnout will be lower next year, but they already have an inherent advantage in midterms. Dems badly need to get a strong message and drive people to the polls like in 2006 and I'm not sure they are willing to do it
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Javes posted:I mean, he did lose during the 2010 tea party wave election. yeah, but you could excuse that as a bad national wave: where the real problem comes is him running 3-4 points behind clinton and i do not think he's a bad candidate (he might be, again, not from wisconsin and perhaps he somehow pissed people off), and I just don't really have a good explanation for why he lost, especially one that fits the post-mortems of clinton's campaign, and if people have a theory on how to win back wisconsin it absolutely has to explain why feingold lost because he is a very, very different sort of candidate than clinton
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Sneakster posted:Their response to utter failure is a platform of tax credits to employers for hiring people and paraphrasing Trump: https://twitter.com/geekaybe/status/892798631190814720
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FlamingLiberal posted:My concern is that yes, there is a chance that the GOP turnout will be lower next year, but they already have an inherent advantage in midterms. Dems badly need to get a strong message and drive people to the polls like in 2006 and I'm not sure they are willing to do it Most of the special elections have seen 12-15 point swings over last November. The motivation seems to be there, it just has to make it another 15 months. If Trump enacted his agenda more quietly, I think things would die down. But he's incapable of doing that.
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Medicaid in Kentucky doesn't mean poo poo to voters in Kentucky. They repeatedly vote for people who will explicitly take their healthcare away and vote against people who won't.
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Xombie posted:I don't doubt that. I just doubt that millenials will come out to vote, which is where most of the Bernie crowd lies. Berniebros have shown themselves to be ideological purists, and you can't actually get one vote from without turning off two Gen-X/Boomer swing voters. And even then it's a coin toss as to whether they'll show up. i think that the internet amplifies idiots so you're seeing the worst brand of berniebro. there are plenty of people who like bernie but who aren't condiv-level idiot brokebrains. most of them voted for jill stein anyway.
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