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theshim
May 1, 2012

You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!
I'm thinking I'll run Explosive Arrow next league, I've never done it before.

fakeedit: ^^^ awww poo poo

actual edit: gently caress you new page :(

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Mince Pieface
Feb 1, 2006

Void Beacon or Vile Bastion for a CI occultist Bladefall miner? Void Beacon is minimum 20% more poison damage, but Vile Bastion seems like it'd be sick for mapping.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Vile Bastion

1. You're CI
2. Ideally you're never in Void Beacon range of enemies

Orange DeviI
Nov 9, 2011

by Hand Knit
Vile bastion is insanely strong

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
Trap and mine builds hardly ever have problems with damage. If they do, you're doing it wrong.

Mince Pieface
Feb 1, 2006

Vasudus posted:

Trap and mine builds hardly ever have problems with damage. If they do, you're doing it wrong.

You can never have too much damage :colbert:
I will never rest until I can oneshot each phase of uber atziri with a single set of traps

Orange DeviI
Nov 9, 2011

by Hand Knit

Mince Pieface posted:

You can never have too much damage :colbert:
I will never rest until I can oneshot each phase of uber atziri with a single set of traps

Not actually the hardest thing iirc, bastion is really good though that regen is hnnngh

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
I'm a big fan of damage over defense. My highest health character ever barely topped 5300hp.

Traps do enough damage, get vile bastion.

Ultima66
Sep 2, 2008

I bricked an Uber Atziri set yesterday because 5300 hp gets oneshot by spears and A'alai's spike rain sometimes.

My fault for switching to Cospri's for the double curse instead of just wearing LC like I know I should.

funmanguy
Apr 20, 2006

What time is it?

Ultima66 posted:

I bricked an Uber Atziri set yesterday because 5300 hp gets oneshot by spears and A'alai's spike rain sometimes.

My fault for switching to Cospri's for the double curse instead of just wearing LC like I know I should.

Using a bow build?

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
https://twitter.com/pathofexile/status/764202926965350400

Soon.....

Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde

NOW!

https://www.pathofexile.com/atlasofworlds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92SpXUJEIVs

Ultima66
Sep 2, 2008

funmanguy posted:

Using a bow build?

Yeah Tornado Shot.

I switch to Barrage for Atziri so I don't hit the mirror and it's not particularly good so I'm sure that doesn't help at all with the clear.

funmanguy
Apr 20, 2006

What time is it?

Ultima66 posted:

Yeah Tornado Shot.

I switch to Barrage for Atziri so I don't hit the mirror and it's not particularly good so I'm sure that doesn't help at all with the clear.

I had a lot of luck with both tshot and barrage 6Ls for uber. If youre using cospri's, do you ahve vuln on hit gloves?

Also new league looking awesome.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Sonofabitch, did they really have to launch this expansion when PAX starts? :argh:

The challenge league mechanic sure looks interesting though. Kind of bummed there aren't any new skills.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
welp i'm sold

funmanguy
Apr 20, 2006

What time is it?
Guys, I am going to kill Cthulhu-man so many times.

Ultima66
Sep 2, 2008

funmanguy posted:

I had a lot of luck with both tshot and barrage 6Ls for uber. If youre using cospri's, do you ahve vuln on hit gloves?

Also new league looking awesome.

Just curse on hit. If you're wondering I didn't have vuln on myself, my curse dispel flask is always up.

funmanguy
Apr 20, 2006

What time is it?

Ultima66 posted:

Just curse on hit. If you're wondering I didn't have vuln on myself, my curse dispel flask is always up.

No, i was asking because vuln on hit gloves with cospris is what rockets my damage to insane levels which is the only reason i can farm uber with the build. I think youre probably a better overall player than i am, so if I can do uber with the build it should be cake for you.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/funmanguy1/characters
FunmanPaRappaTheTrappa

I do have some gear that is a bit overkill, the +1 arrow drillneck can just be a drillneck and the tshot enchant can be anything else, i would just rely on barrage more to clear trash and it would be slower.

Edit: Btw, I am poo poo and almost always have vuln on myself for atziri.

funmanguy fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Aug 12, 2016

Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ1RxGBZmQ0

This has more info on the atlas.

A lot more info here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zTxXPQI-o4

Bugsy fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Aug 12, 2016

MMF Freeway
Sep 15, 2010

Later!
Tbh the amount of poo poo they continue to add to this game never ceases to amaze me. Everything looks sick as hell.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
There will probably be more skills, maybe they're waiting a bit before blowing their load with all the info at once. You're telling me that a new league AND an expansion doesn't have any? No way. Even prophecy which was a wet fart of a league had fb/vortex.

Hopefully a good red sword skill! (lol nope)

Mince Pieface
Feb 1, 2006

drat that phoenix armor is the coolest looking armor they've put out in a while. Shame its 400 bucks. New expansion and league look really cool!

MMF Freeway
Sep 15, 2010

Later!

Pro click right here. Goes in depth into the new mapping system.

Ultima66
Sep 2, 2008

funmanguy posted:

No, i was asking because vuln on hit gloves with cospris is what rockets my damage to insane levels which is the only reason i can farm uber with the build. I think youre probably a better overall player than i am, so if I can do uber with the build it should be cake for you.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/funmanguy1/characters
FunmanPaRappaTheTrappa

I do have some gear that is a bit overkill, the +1 arrow drillneck can just be a drillneck and the tshot enchant can be anything else, i would just rely on barrage more to clear trash and it would be slower.

Edit: Btw, I am poo poo and almost always have vuln on myself for atziri.

For Atziri mechanics? I probably get hit by way more poo poo that I'm not supposed to than you do. Also I'm not playing Assassin so my damage is a lot lower. I'm running Pathfinder with like 60/65 dodge and braindead permanent curse/bleed/elemental status immunity. It's still enough damage that Conservatory Vaal and the double Vaals in uber die before they really do anything, but Trio is a slowish fight and Atziri herself gets to do a bunch of crap.

E: I'm at work with no headphones anyone wanna summarize new mapping system for me?

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet

Ultima66 posted:

E: I'm at work with no headphones anyone wanna summarize new mapping system for me?

Imagine the passive grid, but invert it. You start at the perimeter in one of 4 quadrants, and the maps that get dropped will either be the map you're in or the next map in the path towards the center. The center is a map whose boss will drop a fragment for the 5th boss (think Pale Court).

You can apply new currency in the Atlas to either add a modifier to any map within a radius (so Jewels) you run for a limited number of runs (one of the examples in the video was "Unique Boss drops 1 additional Unique item") or to (permanently?) increase the tiering of a map type you run (hello Tier 15 Gorge!).

Ultimately, it's encouragement to play a bunch of different map types (since you need to keep moving up in tiers to get to the center and in order to get to all 5 Atlas bosses you need to play a variety of maps) with incentive to specialize ("Since Shock and Horror's lightning beam feels like newborn kittens rubbing against my face, I can sink currency into making Torture Chamber harder/more rewarding").

whypick1 fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Aug 12, 2016

Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde
So can you start "mapping" once you get the eternal laboratory unlocked?

quote:

Areas offer higher difficulty as well. Areas around the outskits of the new map are expected to offer content around level 28, while levels closer to the middle of the map--and the final bosses--will include content around level 86.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/heres-when-path-of-exiles-new-expansion-launches/1100-6442491/


Gamespot hosed up and typed 28 instead of 68.

Bugsy fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Aug 12, 2016

Ultima66
Sep 2, 2008

So like, what actually matters to me (because "making maps harder to get more rewards" is loving nebulous and is already in the game in a state I don't particularly like) is whether or not this means maps can actually be sustainable in a solo self found sense at all levels now.

Does this guarantee that when you collect a pool of 20 T12 maps and then run them all at 100% quant 24% packsize, along with the 5 or so T13s that drop, you'll have at least the pool you started with? Because that sure as gently caress doesn't happen right now and right now I just have a pile of T7s and lower at the end of that process.

nightwisher
Dec 24, 2004
Holy poo poo Chris sounds like he's on speed in that IGN video, he sounds super loving excited to be showing off this new stuff. I don't blame him, this is a fantastic looking addition to the end-game.

nightwisher
Dec 24, 2004

Ultima66 posted:

So like, what actually matters to me (because "making maps harder to get more rewards" is loving nebulous and is already in the game in a state I don't particularly like) is whether or not this means maps can actually be sustainable in a solo self found sense at all levels now.

Does this guarantee that when you collect a pool of 20 T12 maps and then run them all at 100% quant 24% packsize, along with the 5 or so T13s that drop, you'll have at least the pool you started with? Because that sure as gently caress doesn't happen right now and right now I just have a pile of T7s and lower at the end of that process.

Well the idea is that you're upgrading your lower level map bases to high tiers so that you're not getting stuck with low level content you can breeze through. Doesn't really matter what tier a map is at that point if you can permanently upgrade it.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003

Ultima66 posted:

So like, what actually matters to me (because "making maps harder to get more rewards" is loving nebulous and is already in the game in a state I don't particularly like) is whether or not this means maps can actually be sustainable in a solo self found sense at all levels now.

Does this guarantee that when you collect a pool of 20 T12 maps and then run them all at 100% quant 24% packsize, along with the 5 or so T13s that drop, you'll have at least the pool you started with? Because that sure as gently caress doesn't happen right now and right now I just have a pile of T7s and lower at the end of that process.

If anything you'll be able to apply +levels to all those abandoned caverns!

J
Jun 10, 2001

Expansion looks great, essence league looks great too although I'm a bit concerned about the inventory management side of the essence items. That looks like it is going to be a clusterfuck with all those essence types, with all of them having 7 levels.

In the IGN video Chris talked about "specializing" in a map, and that "having the best gorge map on the server" is a goal a player could have, which would then cause other players to want to group with them for their gorge map. He didn't specifically say if the tier-increasing effect on a map was permanent, though. The items they showed off in the video added effects to a map for a limited number of runs and were not permanent, but they didn't actually demo the tier-increasing item. But it looks like tier 15+ gorges might be a thing.



Ultima66 posted:

So like, what actually matters to me (because "making maps harder to get more rewards" is loving nebulous and is already in the game in a state I don't particularly like) is whether or not this means maps can actually be sustainable in a solo self found sense at all levels now.

Does this guarantee that when you collect a pool of 20 T12 maps and then run them all at 100% quant 24% packsize, along with the 5 or so T13s that drop, you'll have at least the pool you started with? Because that sure as gently caress doesn't happen right now and right now I just have a pile of T7s and lower at the end of that process.

From what we know so far, it looks like it will depend on the rarity or permanence of the map tier-increasing item you use on the atlas itself. You could pick your favorite common map regardless of what tier it is, and bump it up to tier13 or whatever, and then just buy copies of that map and they'd all be T13 since you invested into that map on your atlas.

Hauki
May 11, 2010


That all sounds loving sweet. I'm excited already. Also glad they're overhauling the map system.
I don't think I can really justify $450 on poe despite how sweet that phoenix armour looks. The hydra looks p. cool too though, and the minotaur is alright.

also gently caress yes going to run like t12 mountain ledges all the time

Hauki fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Aug 12, 2016

nightwisher
Dec 24, 2004

J posted:

The items they showed off in the video added effects to a map for a limited number of runs and were not permanent, but they didn't actually demo the tier-increasing item.

They did actually, Chris used a tier upgrade orb on a map on his atlas and it added a small border to it, he commented that the UI is a work on progress and that indicator will be more prominent. He didn't exactly state whether the tier upgrade is permanent, but he did say that the sextant effects added only last 5 maps. I'm guessing the tier upgrade orbs will be reasonably rare.

edit: Seems like one of the design goals is to make party play viable again. With the performance improvements and ability to specialise and make very powerful maps I'd be keen to run mapping groups.

nightwisher fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Aug 12, 2016

Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde

Hauki posted:

That all sounds loving sweet. I'm excited already. Also glad they're overhauling the map system.
I don't think I can really justify $450 on poe despite how sweet that phoenix armour looks. The hydra looks p. cool too though, and the minotaur is alright.

I think the first two look really good, the 3rd ones weapon effect is silly stupid, and while the cloth atlas looks cool, I dont think its $440 cool.

Hauki
May 11, 2010


Bugsy posted:

I think the first two look really good, the 3rd ones weapon effect is silly stupid, and while the cloth atlas looks cool, I dont think its $440 cool.

Yeah I might go for Hydra for the hell of it. Agreed the 3rd one does look silly stupid.

Just got to the essences part, that also looks fun for good rares. So psyched.

Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde
Oh, just realized, you can get a map for the 3rd one it is just not signed. Nice!

edit: gamespot made a typo, its still 68 not 28.

Bugsy posted:

So can you start "mapping" once you get the eternal laboratory unlocked?


http://www.gamespot.com/articles/heres-when-path-of-exiles-new-expansion-launches/1100-6442491/

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
https://twitter.com/pathofexile/status/764228176889286656

whypick1 posted:

Kind of bummed there aren't any new skills.

Look at this idiot

(Is "channeling" stuff like Flameblast/Incinerate?)

Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde

whypick1 posted:

https://twitter.com/pathofexile/status/764228176889286656


Look at this idiot

(Is "channeling" stuff like Flameblast/Incinerate?)

Yep.


Giant atlas image.



edit - all the uniques are on there even perandus manor.

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Awesome!
Oct 17, 2008

Ready for adventure!


all of this looks really cool. i have been sidetracked this league with bloodborne and rocket league and im not even at 24 challenges yet :( not gonna get that monkey

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