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Eimi posted:I mean Mass Effect is the best Star Trek RPG ever made, so that kind of makes sense. Which I would kill for a Bioware style actual Trek game. I was about to make a joke about throwing yourself into the reactor then I remembered how Nemesis ended so yeah, tracks.
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Eimi posted:I mean Mass Effect is the best Star Trek RPG ever made, so that kind of makes sense. Which I would kill for a Bioware style actual Trek game. Star Control 2, surely
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Aug 10, 2021 04:57
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Star Control 2 is pure Niven's Known Space, not Trek.
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Aug 10, 2021 05:48
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Eimi posted:I mean Mass Effect is the best Star Trek RPG ever made, so that kind of makes sense. Which I would kill for a Bioware style actual Trek game. I don’t think making it so we have three different-colored ways to say “yes, almighty nobody from a trash show I don’t watch, your way is the best and we will do that now” is going to be a true challenge for STO quest writers.
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Aug 10, 2021 05:54
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The Legendary D'D getting a (albiet modest) upgrade does make me kinda sad the Legendary Galaxy was released along with enough actually decent ships that nobody bothered to raise a fuss about how crap it was. I <3 the poor Galaxy. Really why can't they just let us use the Galaxy skin on the Galaxy X ships if we own them all.
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Aug 10, 2021 07:08
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MikeJF posted:Really why can't they just let us use the Galaxy skin on the Galaxy X ships if we own them all.
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Aug 10, 2021 07:13
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You're all wrong but I respect your choices. The best sci-fi setting was actually Masters of Orion 2: Battle for Antares. It's all very well and good to talk about could of and should of with STO but we all know the scripting engine can't manage anything other than what they put out already. This is after all a super hero punch mmorpg except reskinned as spaceships. Re-do the whole thing in Unreal or Lumberyard and then it's time to dream. Someone else sort that out, I have whiskey to drink.
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Aug 10, 2021 08:58
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What is the current go to for "best of the best" beam ship? Not like there is much difficult content to use it in but I always enjoyed aiming for the most broken option (and probably burning out before getting there). From what I remember when I last played it was the Scimitar but they've added what looks like another 100 lockbox ships and a level increase since then so it's completely impossible to parse. Getting the Jem'hadar carrier with bugship fighters and Galor beams, funded entirely through afk contraband exploits, still remains a highlight pre-remulan expansion.
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Aug 10, 2021 11:20
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Cyrano4747 posted:They're 100% right, but holy poo poo can you even imagine the community reaction if they had a story arc that was you peacefully negotiating a trade deal and then delivering humanitarian relief supplies to a world devastated by a natural disaster, where the problems you overcome are about equitable distribution of aid rather than fighting off pirates or something? Just an entire episode chain where all it is is figuring out puzzles and talking interested parties into cooperating. Why do I recall that we've had a few at times?
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Aug 10, 2021 11:52
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Antaris posted:What is the current go to for "best of the best" beam ship? Not like there is much difficult content to use it in but I always enjoyed aiming for the most broken option (and probably burning out before getting there). From what I remember when I last played it was the Scimitar but they've added what looks like another 100 lockbox ships and a level increase since then so it's completely impossible to parse. Beamships: https://www.sto-league.com/beam-ships-in-the-current-century/ is mostly up-to-date. The real absurdity happens in science ships. poo poo just melts, even with all the sci powers on macros, and spammed instead of optimized. No joke, I can solo To Hell With Honor in reasonable time.
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Aug 10, 2021 14:05
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For actual ship chassis basically anything that has miracle worker for Narrow Sensor Bands and Armament Synergies. The fleet Shepard is both easily obtainable and really good. After that probably the Legendary Sovereign or Inquiry class? The Shepard is really good as is aside from it's hull and shield mods.
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Aug 10, 2021 14:33
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Eimi posted:For actual ship chassis basically anything that has miracle worker for Narrow Sensor Bands and Armament Synergies. The fleet Shepard is both easily obtainable and really good. After that probably the Legendary Sovereign or Inquiry class? The Shepard is really good as is aside from it's hull and shield mods. The legendary Soverign makes a great beam boat, but I'm partial to the legendary Connie for that (the non-flight deck version). I forget why, exactly, might just be me liking TOS ships more, but either way the boff layouts etc are all solid and it's a good 4/4 ship with that all important miracle worker slot.
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Cyrano4747 posted:The legendary Soverign makes a great beam boat, but I'm partial to the legendary Connie for that (the non-flight deck version). I forget why, exactly, might just be me liking TOS ships more, but either way the boff layouts etc are all solid and it's a good 4/4 ship with that all important miracle worker slot. You know I forgot that one had 4 tac consoles, I thought it was 3 like the flight deck. But yeah if you have the 10th bundle you've got both anyway.
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Aug 10, 2021 15:02
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Antaris posted:What is the current go to for "best of the best" beam ship? Not like there is much difficult content to use it in but I always enjoyed aiming for the most broken option (and probably burning out before getting there). From what I remember when I last played it was the Scimitar but they've added what looks like another 100 lockbox ships and a level increase since then so it's completely impossible to parse.
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Aug 10, 2021 15:12
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g0del posted:For BO the best ship is the Husnock, especially if you also have the Miradorn for the console set. For BFaW just fly whatever you want, BFaW is so far off meta right now that it doesn't really matter. I think all the highest possible DPS parses right now are in 4/4 ships with command seating running kinetic builds (torps and mines). Husnock doesn't have the MW slot, which means it's going to be behind basically any MW beam boat with 4 or 5 tac console slots. Husnock has 5 tac slots, but but it only has 11 total (2 sci and 4 eng). Meanwhile the legendary connie has 12 (4 tac, 4 eng, 3 sci, 1 MW). So many of the higher end consoles are universal that it really ends up being about raw available slots more than the specific layout of them, as long as you've got at least 4 tacs. The connie ends up essentially being a 5 tac slot ship for the spire tac consoles and lorca's tac console, and then you've still got that extra slot the Husnock doesn't have. BFAW is pretty non-meta these days, but you can still build a weaker or a stronger BFAW ship. I love to run them because they're insanely lazy, and I can absolutely feel the difference when I'm in a MW ship vs a non-MW ship. That extra slot is really, really hard to argue against. This is also part of what makes the legendary Intrepid so mean - it's also a MW so it's got that extra console for extra space magic.
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IMHO the best option for a beam boat right now for someone who's in Dental is the T6 Fleet Shephard Miracle Worker Cruiser. Fleet ship so you don't get that ship trait, but the ship itself is insanely solid. 4 tac consoles, 5 eng, 2 sci, plus the 1 MW console slot for a total of 12 (which with this really means 5 tac - 1 lorca and 4 spire consoles). 5/3 weapon layout, base turn of 7.5, LT Tac, LTC Tac, Cdr eng, Ens Sci, and Ltc Universal BOFF slots. It's really drat good as a beam boat once you build it out, and it only costs 20k fleet credits and 5 fleet modules. Credits are easy, and the modules are easy to get via leveling rep and if you're too impatient for that they're not insane on the exchange. As a bonus it's actually pretty decent looking. It's a disco design, but one of the better ones.
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Never played it, but how's the Tzenkethi dread rate up? 5/2, 7.5 turn, MW, 5 Tac consoles, 2x hanger, Cdr tac.... does losing the eighth weapon slot drop it below the others being mentioned?
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MikeJF posted:Never played it, but how's the Tzenkethi dread rate up? 5/2, 7.5 turn, MW, 5 Tac consoles, 2x hanger, Cdr tac.... does losing the eighth weapon slot drop it below the others being mentioned? If you’re building it as a beam boat, absolutely. The whole point is to circle your enemies so you’re blasting with all weapons at once, so losing one is a big deal. Doesn’t really matter in a cannon ship since that’s built around your forward arc.
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Cyrano4747 posted:It's a disco design, but one of the better ones. This wouldn't be hard to achieve.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Husnock doesn't have the MW slot, which means it's going to be behind basically any MW beam boat with 4 or 5 tac console slots. Husnock has 5 tac slots, but but it only has 11 total (2 sci and 4 eng). Meanwhile the legendary connie has 12 (4 tac, 4 eng, 3 sci, 1 MW). So many of the higher end consoles are universal that it really ends up being about raw available slots more than the specific layout of them, as long as you've got at least 4 tacs. The connie ends up essentially being a 5 tac slot ship for the spire tac consoles and lorca's tac console, and then you've still got that extra slot the Husnock doesn't have. Edit: I should point out, none of this stuff actually matters for playing the game. The worst T6 ship in the game can be set up to easily run all the missions and normal/advanced TFOs in the game. The DPS ceiling in the game is so much higher than the DPS necessary to play that once you hit a certain point, anything else is just DPS chasing for the hell of it. And it's really easy to hit that point. g0del fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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g0del posted:A high end BO build wants commander temp ops so it can run recursive shearing iii. The husnock has that, and gets to run the miradorn console for lots of extra crth/crtd. The husnock also has a really good BO trait, but of course traits can be used with other ships. But the miradorn console can't, it only works on the miradorn and husnock. I'd argue that BO builds aren't that useful for a solo player because the bottleneck in this game is always damage to waves of trash mobs, not single target DPS. Good for chasing DPS not great for doing your daily event grind. But yeah, I agree that none of this really matters, you can do end game with a T5 that has MKXV equipment and decent consoles. edit: that said, my initial recommendations were based around someone asking for a T6 ship to do solo beam stuff. Somehow I missed that your answer was specifically talking BO, and you're right that the Husnock is better for that. But the way I see it, if you're chasing DPS for max DPS sake you probably don't want to be doing beams anyways.
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Red alert weekend next week, choices are a skill point, a t6-X upgrade token, or an ultimate tech upgrade.
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Part of me wonders how many players choose the skill point.
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Aug 10, 2021 22:34
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Taerkar posted:Part of me wonders how many players choose the skill point.
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Yeah that's a pretty standard reward for the filler events and it's always been all three. Whether there's enough time to actually complete it though remains in question. 
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Too many good posts to quote, but super useful info about the beam ships, thanks a lot everyone. Looks like fleet Shepard is the way to go until the legendary bundle discount comes back up. Also it looks like I already own the Gagarin that I don't remember getting (I think I must've used one of the free tokens on it), so this makes it even easier!
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g0del posted:For BO the best ship is the Husnock, especially if you also have the Miradorn for the console set. For BFaW just fly whatever you want, BFaW is so far off meta right now that it doesn't really matter. I think all the highest possible DPS parses right now are in 4/4 ships with command seating running kinetic builds (torps and mines). I think the Husnock was dethroned by the Mirror Warship for no holds barred overload builds. I'd argue everyone is sleeping on the Picard synth "Deimos" too. Freedom has the seating and good potential but lacks the "best of" DPS mastery traits. But we're talking pretty small margins at this point and all the pre-req traits and gear are way more hassle than the actual platform to slap them all on.
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The Deimos lance is a really good console in the wake of universal designs if you have both.
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Eimi posted:The Deimos lance is a really good console in the wake of universal designs if you have both. Truth. It goes on everything.
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Cyrano4747 posted:BFAW is pretty non-meta these days its still competitive, even after the SAD nerf it is still a very strong trait to run with BFAW which gives it an area resistance debuff with every hit (and you dont need to have a hangar), if you couple that with a Cold-Hearted Aux2Bat build and its debuff it still melts poo poo
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Teron D Amun posted:its still competitive, even after the SAD nerf it is still a very strong trait to run with BFAW which gives it an area resistance debuff with every hit (and you dont need to have a hangar), if you couple that with a Cold-Hearted Aux2Bat build and its debuff it still melts poo poo
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New ship sale, new ships. The Sech looks kind of okay, if not remotely Klingon, from a distance, but up close... that's way, way too many greebly bits. Another one for the pile with the Jaieh that looks garbage up close.  The Earhart's growing on me. Kind of Oberth-y, like a Miranda's saucer with the nacelles stapled to the sides.
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If anyone else picked up the new Romulan Legendary bundle, make sure you play around with the new D'Deridex trait before Cryptic nerfs it. The multi-target tractor array console procs it. Over and over and over again.
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g0del posted:And that's why I said it doesn't matter for actually playing the game, just for chasing DPS. If you're looking to get on DPS leaderboards, you don't run BFaW. But it's fine (and cheap and easy) for just playing the game. leaderboards are only for the two space queues were it really doesnt matter when you compare their setup to the rest of the space queues, especially the waves upon waves of the modern ones
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Eimi posted:The Deimos lance is a really good console in the wake of universal designs if you have both.
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Chortles posted:Isn't the Deimos the only Pilot Maneuvers ship among the Event Campaign III premium ship choices? There's the D4x bird of prey, La Sirena, Jellyfish, Undine Cheirax, Miradorn Theta Raider. They still don't have enough drat pilot flip ships, though, at this point they should be putting them into all the smaller escorts.
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MikeJF posted:There's the D4x bird of prey, La Sirena, Jellyfish, Undine Cheirax, Miradorn Theta Raider. And most of them look ugly.  I picked up the Jaieh because I wanted a new pilot ship, but up close it uses those ugly flat grainy Reman hull textures instead of the usual smooth Romulan ones.
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Cythereal posted:And most of them look ugly. Really? And you can't switch em? How's the Delta Alliance Vanity look on her, then, that's basically faux-Romulan on some ships, depending on how it maps. Or the KDF Kelvin Divergency, but that's overpriced and also KDF-only. I ended up buying the feddie pilot 3-pack just for space barbie reasons back in the day. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Aug 13, 2021 |
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MikeJF posted:Really? And you can't switch em? How's the Delta Alliance Vanity look on her, then, that's basically faux-Romulan on some ships, depending on how it maps. I'll take a screenshot when I get home. It makes sense, though, the Jaieh is based on concept art for the Scimitar from Nemesis, just much smaller.
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