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rotor posted:i couldnt remember what dart was then i found out it compiled to javascript and i had a good laugh. That's the compatibility compiler, there is native support with, of all the awful naming, Dartium. What I don't quite understand is this quote which makes the entire project sound even more bizarre quote:* A faster Dart Virtual Machine that on some Octane tests outperforms even V8. I had to revisit the launch notes from last year to see this: quote:Dart’s design goals are: So I guess it's all about the optional static typing and being easy to debug.
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really the best way to survive being in a startup is to know that you'll probably want to leave in 2 years as the company and culture changes rapidly. (going by the 'startups are companies obsessed with high growth and potential return on investment' defintion) there is no room for job growth, or moving up the chain, in most startups. it's easier to get a job in a new one than to actually change your role. it's really hard to tell the good from the bad, because the awfulness rarely sets in before the first three months - still just happy to be out of the last place. i guess any warning signs are things like 'crunch time', 'overtime work'. once they pull this out to meet investment deadlines, they'll do it each time. the emergency becomes the norm. there is other things too, like being in a monoculture full of penishavers. options are normally futile and honestly you're gambling your future sanity on the business decisions of people you've come to loathe.
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Oct 18, 2012 03:01
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Moving from job to job has been working really well for me up to now. Great way to get raises, no time to get too bored, lots of people to meet. The only tricky thing is figuring out when I'll peak in money or fun jobs and eventually leave the best I can find to get to worse jobs.
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Oct 18, 2012 03:04
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MononcQc posted:The fun thing in large soulless corporations is that you can usually work super slow and keep a shitload of time for personal stuff during work hours. I worked through a large part of SICP during my work time at my first job in a large place. the best part about working for a big company is not having to program when I go home programming is terrible and i don't think i could take more than 40 hours a week of it
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salted hash browns posted:won't listen to developers raise issues about the product? I'm genuinely curious because I work at a big company but have been thinking about moving over to a startup and would like all the help I can in how to spot the good/bad ones really I dunno, i seem to have only picked bad ones, but slightly less bad than the ones I was at before. people who are agile normally mean 'we change our mind every day and you must follow'. people who pair 100% of the time mean 'we use peer pressure to motivate you to solve problems'. you can tell other bad employers because that ask brainteasers in interviews 'we like asking you to do stupid things for our entertainment'. or not having customers, or blah blah blah. really the only good position in a startup, is the founder. everyone else gets hosed in the long term.
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Oct 18, 2012 03:06
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Jerry SanDisky posted:the best part about working for a big company is not having to program when I go home
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Oct 18, 2012 03:06
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tef posted:i'm saying that founders are universally terrible.
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Oct 18, 2012 03:07
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MrMoo posted:That's the compatibility compiler, there is native support with, of all the awful naming, Dartium. hahaha, a custom build of chrome, ok, well, that certainly makes sense. I'm sure this will go places.
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Oct 18, 2012 03:08
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the best indicators i've found are the tools people use for everything apart from coding - email, bug tracking, communication. even then it's just a 'this is going to be poo poo' not 'this is going to be good'
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Oct 18, 2012 03:09
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MononcQc posted:Moving from job to job has been working really well for me up to now. Great way to get raises, no time to get too bored, lots of people to meet. agreed. I've actually been thinking about trying sales engineering again. I did it for a bit and liked it, got to meet a bunch of people.
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Oct 18, 2012 03:10
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tef posted:really the best way to survive being in a startup is to know that you'll probably want to leave in 2 years as the company and culture changes rapidly. i lucked out so far
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Oct 18, 2012 03:11
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tef posted:the best indicators i've found are the tools people use for everything apart from coding - email, bug tracking, communication. 'we use fogbugz. yeah, the cto is a big fan of joel spolsky.'
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Oct 18, 2012 03:11
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rotor posted:agreed. sounds like you enjoyed it, do it (pm me we're looking for "solution/sales engineers" in san francisco)
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Oct 18, 2012 03:12
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lmao, like I'd pay money for forum features. my email is lol.a.butt at gmale
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Oct 18, 2012 03:14
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rotor posted:'we use fogbugz. yeah, the cto is a big fan of joel spolsky.' yep, this. oh god. see if they'd said 'peopleware' and had actually read it, then, yes please. but most of them just like it because ~joel~ does.
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Oct 18, 2012 03:14
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Cocoa Crispies posted:sounds like you enjoyed it, do it (pm me we're looking for "solution/sales engineers" in san francisco) your company actually sounds neat, judging by how they've behaved in public and the conference stuff.
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Oct 18, 2012 03:17
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nobody likes connecticut 
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Oct 18, 2012 03:45
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i'm too dumb to work in the us of a
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Oct 18, 2012 03:50
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tef posted:i'm too dumb to work in the us of a
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Oct 18, 2012 04:17
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Cocoa Crispies posted:lmao no, how come I have a job here then it takes an education with diplomas and poo poo to move around industrialized countries, sadly.
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Oct 18, 2012 04:29
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meanwhile any high school graduate in the us can get shoehorned into the highest level jobs if they know enough people being the exception to the rule is truly the new american dream
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Oct 18, 2012 04:59
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Cocoa Crispies posted:lmao no, how come I have a job here then you don't need a visa
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Oct 18, 2012 05:00
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MononcQc posted:The fun thing in large soulless corporations is that you can usually work super slow and keep a shitload of time for personal stuff during work hours. I worked through a large part of SICP during my work time at my first job in a large place. lol For some strange reason I don't seem to be making any headway in this job! must be because its a huge soulless corporation sits in cubicle loving with lisp instead of doing the work im literally being paid for
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Oct 18, 2012 07:38
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WHOIS John Galt posted:lol lmbo @ the idea of "making headway" on a project in a large company
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Oct 18, 2012 07:53
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quote:Make a lightweight model wrapper for the mongodb that abstracts the details of specific social bookmarking sites to provide an api to: Every time someone talks about making something lightweight I can only see the blood on the back of my eyelids. Who does this person think he's fooling? Everybody, everybody is the answer.
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Oct 18, 2012 08:08
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MononcQc posted:Write a book / design a training course on "the cynical approach to software engineering" for a down-to-earth no bullshit way to get into development. You'd rock at this. I would buy and read "tef posts on programming" if spolsky and atwood can write books, so can
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Oct 18, 2012 08:53
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rotor posted:lmbo @ the idea of "making headway" on a project in a large company A CJ friend of mine works for a bank. He was recently very angry about having to set up workstations for developers that were required to have no access to source control. No, that's not a weird expression or typo, it means exactly what you think it does.
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Zombywuf posted:A CJ friend of mine works for a bank. He was recently very angry about having to set up workstations for developers that were required to have no access to source control. I actually skipped over the "no" the first time I read that.
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Oct 18, 2012 11:33
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Zombywuf posted:A CJ friend of mine works for a bank. He was recently very angry about having to set up workstations for developers that were required to have no access to source control.
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Oct 18, 2012 11:41
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tef posted:it's more that i'm sick of the industry.
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Oct 18, 2012 11:42
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Gazpacho posted:write up how this was supposed to work & post it in the horrors thread I don't know the details but from what I understand the process was to look something like: dev workstation -> Hudson -> SVN. The whole thing sounded like it was the result of some political spat between some managers up the food chain somewhere. My friend didn't even work in the workstation team but for some reason his team was being made to do it.
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OBAMA BIN LOADIN posted:from a few pages ago but i've had people tell me from experience that medium sized firms (like one-to-several hundred employees) are terrible to work for because more often than not you're surrounded by idiots and terrible programmers, managed by apes, and also enormously undervalued as a worker. either really small or really big seems to be the way to go.
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Oct 18, 2012 11:51
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honestly tef you could probably do much better
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Oct 18, 2012 11:56
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WHOIS John Galt posted:lol I did do some headway at that job, and got raises too. You can often get away with doing the bare minimum in places like that. I wouldn't get away with doing the bare minimum at my current job where I work remotely for a small company, but I could at my old job where I was on site in a big corporation. The thing is, when the place is large as hell with many layers of management, the machine moves very slowly. You get blocked for no reason by lots of people in different departments, and that leaves you with a lot of frustrating time off. It makes it easy for projects to die in bureaucracy or to be paused for days while critical parts are stuck in project manager 75's inbox. Small corporations tend to have a much shorter feedback loop and allow you to work faster.
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Oct 18, 2012 12:30
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one advantage of working in a big company, assuming that the company hasn't built a ball of mud the size of manhattan, is that platform tech developed by one team is made available to others and with a lot of teams that's a lot of reusable tech a downside is that you might grow dependent on that proprietary tech and your experience with it will be completely worthless at your  next job
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So, northern hemisphere, first world country, anglophone (or perhaps you've learnt a novelty language like scottish or irish, yeah no still makes you an anglophone). You live a pigeon's fart away from america/canadia and the EU is your oyster. It doesn't seem so bad. Why not get another job?
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homercles posted:So, northern hemisphere, first world country, anglophone (or perhaps you've learnt a novelty language like scottish or irish, yeah no still makes you an anglophone). You live a pigeon's fart away from america/canadia and the EU is your oyster. yep, yep, yep (nope), yep. I do have the right to work in the EU. quote:It doesn't seem so bad. Why not get another job? It isn't. I'm just really loving disappointed in this job. I like the people I work with, and kinda like the domain i'm in, but i'm totally loving burned out. quote:Why not get another job? I've been looking for the last month or so - I've been lazy and tried to get a job that doesn't involve moving away from people I care about, and keeping the things I like about this job. however, it turns out finding a job that sucks less than the current one will likely involve moving away to somewhere. that and the fear that moving away will end up me being hosed over in a new place (happened once, i'm a scaredy cat), or that i'll just repeat the burning out cycle again. (basically I'm a big spoiled babby) tef fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Oct 18, 2012 |
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Oct 18, 2012 13:58
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really i'm just trying to find a better option than "jump into another startup, watch it fuckup in slow motion". staying where I am will probably involve moving to a large corporation (amazon are hiring, heh).
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Oct 18, 2012 13:59
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see if msgr. akalin can get you an interview w/ googe and troll him every day if they hire you imo
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dont do an european startup cause they're all bound for failure in their failconomy
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