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Khanstant posted:Along those lines, how expensive or energy intensive is a holodeck? If it's not crazy high, why couldn't individual crew opt to have their own bedrooms be equipped with them. Seems like it would do wonders for people on long journeys to have a room that lets them visit their favourite places or sleep in an exact replica of wherever they sleep best in life. Screw falling asleep to the sound of a fan or watching TV, why not fall asleep listening to a flowing stream as you lay in a meadow with the sun warming your toes while the shade of a tree keeps your face cool and dozens of cute cartoon spiders weave you a perfect blanket of the finest silk? or whatever ideal sleep scenario you can dream of Holodecks are presumably pretty energy-intensive and maintenance-heavy at least in the TNG/Voyager era, since they schedule out their use even under optimal conditions. What would make sense but doesn't exist because of 90s TV budgeting limitations, though, is virtual windows. Basically, take what Disney is doing right now... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-4ihwQfyq0&t=220s ...and use a paper-thin holoscreen, the same way the main bridge viewscreen works, to generate whatever view (complete with ambient sound and scent) the occupant wants. To take it a step further, add recessed open spaces between the 'windows' and the screen, or even a whole fake balcony, so you can reach/lean 'outside' without interrupting the illusion by hitting a solid surface. Roadie fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Mar 29, 2021 20:11
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Pascallion posted:Since it’s not reasonable to assume everyone is familiar with TAS when engaging obliquely with racist tropes... Of all the crazy poo poo in TAS this was the one where I was just holy gently caress what.
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Mar 29, 2021 21:17
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:What kind of stupid backward-rear end species has a scenario that means "losing your forcefield power" is a separate scenario to "destroyed with all hands" anyway? Well, there's a lot of times when they lose power to some bullshit and they're not in the middle of a fight. Redundant systems are nice.
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Mar 29, 2021 21:19
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DS9 also had the holodeck breaking down all the time and requiring a bunch of upkeep. Also, if you gave everyone a personal holodeck half the crew would be stuck in suddenly deadly duels with Laertes or possessed by the spirit of Goldfinger. It would increase the already substantial rate of Holodeck Incidents by an order of magnitude. Just let people sleep in their space hotel and do their job.
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Mar 29, 2021 21:56
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Did O'Brien do weird handyman poo poo on TNG too or was that only DS9 where he did the "O'Brien was supposed to come by to fix my sonic shower" stuff on the side?
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Mar 29, 2021 22:10
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Yeah in TNG he just manned the teleport room and that was it.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:18
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There's a DS9 ep where he says he was bored as gently caress on the Enterprise and loves that everything on DS9 is a kludged cross-tech nightmare that breaks constantly so he has stuff to do.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:23
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Which is bonkers because it isn't like the Enterprise didn't have stuff breaking down too.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:56
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Grand Fromage posted:Of all the crazy poo poo in TAS this was the one where I was just holy gently caress what.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:57
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Time for the comic again. https://chiefobrienatwork.com/post/106684455801/episode-1-r%C3%A9sum%C3%A9-builder-read-the-next-episode
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Mar 29, 2021 23:03
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V-Men posted:Which is bonkers because it isn't like the Enterprise didn't have stuff breaking down too.
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Mar 29, 2021 23:03
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V-Men posted:Which is bonkers because it isn't like the Enterprise didn't have stuff breaking down too. The Enterprise was constantly plagued by completely new and unique malfunctions that nobody had ever encountered before, like the main computer failing to carry a 3 in a math equation leading to a cascading series of errors that makes the PA system in Sickbay mildly sentient, but it can only communicate in nightcore dubstep remixes of songs from Walt Disney movies. And they had like a team of 80 people to call on before they got to the one dude manning the console in Transporter Room 3. On DS9, a valve would just blow off a steam pipe and O'Brien would crawl through 100 meters of styrofoam filler and hit it with a comically big wrench. So "breaking down" is a wide umbrella.
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Mar 29, 2021 23:54
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He also probably got to hunt down herds of voles every other week, that was exciting.
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Mar 30, 2021 00:36
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Why did we never get to see Chief O'Brien's vole-bashing stick?
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Mar 30, 2021 00:59
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Marshal Radisic posted:Why did we never get to see Chief O'Brien's vole-bashing stick? This is a family show
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Mar 30, 2021 01:13
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Marshal Radisic posted:Why did we never get to see Chief O'Brien's vole-bashing stick? If they had, they should have just gone over to USC and borrowed this for a minute.
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Mar 30, 2021 01:29
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTKFApSVap0&t=15s
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Mar 30, 2021 01:33
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V-Men posted:Which is bonkers because it isn't like the Enterprise didn't have stuff breaking down too. Yeah but O'Brien was never the guy who got to fix it.
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Mar 30, 2021 04:39
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Wait did DS9 even have a chief engineer?
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Mar 30, 2021 05:35
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V-Men posted:Wait did DS9 even have a chief engineer? He was in charge and everyone reported to him that was either a Starfleet or Bajoran engineer
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Mar 30, 2021 05:39
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Axe-man posted:Yeah in TNG he just manned the teleport room and that was it. Oh, I can't let this slander slide. Miles O'Brien was Chief of Transporter Operations on a goddamn Galaxy-Class starship. They have 20 loving transporter rooms plus however many cargo transporters (the Enterprise has at least 6 cargo bays so I bet at least 4 of the loving things.) Assuming that they only ever had half of the Transporter rooms crewed at any given time (and if they needed someone for cargo transporters they'd call them down from one of those) That's three shifts (or 4 when Jellico showed up but that was only like 2 weeks) so if no one gets breaks or days (this is the loving Federation so I guarantee they get days off) off that's still a minimum of 90 people (and more likely 120) who report directly to him, and I have to assume that there's way more to the job than just picking landing coordinates and pushing the go buttons. Even if you assume that they regularly only have 5 transporter rooms crewed at a time you still need breaks and days off so it's still a lot of goddamn direct reports. Also there was that episode where Geordi was getting annoyed that someone was double checking his work and asked O'Brien how he'd feel if someone wanted to audit his transport rooms and O'Brien was like "Let them, my poo poo's perfect."
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Mar 30, 2021 06:54
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes, it was O'Brien Technically he was Chief of Operations on DS9, which on a station was like Chief Engineer++.
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Mar 30, 2021 07:52
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Miles, it's OK, we didn't mean anything by it
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Mar 30, 2021 12:46
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8one6 posted:Oh, I can't let this slander slide. Haha like a tenth of the Ent-D crew must report to him if you run the numbers like that.
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Mar 30, 2021 12:49
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Senor Tron posted:Haha like a tenth of the Ent-D crew must report to him if you run the numbers like that. It was a stupid decision of the producers to give the Enterprise less crew than the population of a dying coal mining town.
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Mar 30, 2021 14:31
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Senor Tron posted:Haha like a tenth of the Ent-D crew must report to him if you run the numbers like that. I think the assumptions of how many stations are crewed constantly is way too high in that analysis. If you are in deep space traveling to whatever diplomatic conference, or doing star mapping, it's not like you need to have 10 transporter rooms constantly manned. Probably only a couple of rooms would be assigned if there is no expectation of mass transportation needed. I imagine theres a lot of overlap between different jobs in Starfleet, seems like most people (at least officers) are expected to have a solid grasp of all ship operations. So you might have a primary job in stellar Cartography or dolphin maintenance, but when an alert is called you get to man a transporter. So while the transporter chief might technically have a ton of people reporting to him, I think it would be sort of like a ton of part time guys, not a solely assigned staff. Still a ton of work for O'Brien
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Mar 30, 2021 14:39
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8one6 posted:It was a stupid decision of the producers to give the Enterprise less crew than the population of a dying coal mining town. They cut the numbers down from the original design because they knew with their sets and extras there was no way they could believably depict a ship that was meant to have 5k people aboard, it'd just be too much of a contrast between what they said and what it looked like, and they were probably right. It's really sad we're not getting a TNG these days because there was a huge amount of stuff about the Enterprise-D they could never depict that we could do easily now, I'd love to see the ideas fully realised. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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Mar 30, 2021 15:51
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Gully Foyle posted:I think the assumptions of how many stations are crewed constantly is way too high in that analysis. If you are in deep space traveling to whatever diplomatic conference, or doing star mapping, it's not like you need to have 10 transporter rooms constantly manned. Probably only a couple of rooms would be assigned if there is no expectation of mass transportation needed. This was my thought as well. My guess/headcannon is that they have a main cast of senior officers with specific jobs, possibly a couple of ensigns in engineering and then just a shipment of all purpose ensigns who can be assigned to whatever is needed. Just keep crew quarters relatively close to anything that might be needed in a hurry and you don't need constant manning. Also O'Brien is a noncommissioned officer, meaning pretty much everyone technically outranks him I think. Not that he needs to pull rank, because he's just a cool dude who knows his poo poo and people.
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BonHair posted:Also O'Brien is a noncommissioned officer, meaning pretty much everyone technically outranks him I think. Not that he needs to pull rank, because he's just a cool dude who knows his poo poo and people. Have Voy/LD/Dis had any real noncoms beyond use of 'Crewman' to refer to people?
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Mar 30, 2021 18:24
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8one6 posted:It was a stupid decision of the producers to give the Enterprise less crew than the population of a dying coal mining town. Starfleet personnel are basically paid in company scrip...
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Mar 30, 2021 19:03
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Roadie posted:Have Voy/LD/Dis had any real noncoms beyond use of 'Crewman' to refer to people? There's a Chief on the Cerritos, at least.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:17
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Roadie posted:Have Voy/LD/Dis had any real noncoms beyond use of 'Crewman' to refer to people? After Burnham got stripped of rank, she was addressed as "Specialist", but I'm not 100% sure whether that counts as an actual rank. On  , Cally sometimes got called the same thing, but it might not be an official rank there either.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:27
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Speaking of Miles, I just got to "Hard Time" and Jesus that episode is hosed up
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Mar 30, 2021 20:21
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BonHair posted:This was my thought as well. My guess/headcannon is that they have a main cast of senior officers with specific jobs, possibly a couple of ensigns in engineering and then just a shipment of all purpose ensigns who can be assigned to whatever is needed. Just keep crew quarters relatively close to anything that might be needed in a hurry and you don't need constant manning. O'Brien being enlisted was retconned in at beginning of fourth season, prior to that he was a Lieutenant.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:21
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a neat cape posted:Speaking of Miles, I just got to "Hard Time" and Jesus that episode is hosed up
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Mar 30, 2021 20:26
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a neat cape posted:Speaking of Miles, I just got to "Hard Time" and Jesus that episode is hosed up Don’t worry, he’s got it all bottled up by next week!
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Mar 30, 2021 20:44
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Powered Descent posted:After Burnham got stripped of rank, she was addressed as "Specialist", but I'm not 100% sure whether that counts as an actual rank. My assumption for Burnham's Specialist designation is that she was effectively a civilian, stripped of rank after being arrested before eventually getting re-commissioned into Star Fleet and becoming a Commander again.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:47
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I mean it could have been more on the nose and just been "The Special."
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8one6 posted:Oh, I can't let this slander slide. You might also have crossover, the maintenance engineers might have generalists for the most part but sub-system officers, so you'd have O'Brien for the transporters, someone else for the air ducts, someone else for the plasma feeds, another person for water and plumbing, etc.
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