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It just occurred to me that if we do #Calexit we might get the President Brown and California nationalism that Jello Biafra promised us.
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If Calexit ever comes to be more than a meme in a DnD thread, can we get a new flag? The Bear Flag is great and all except, well, we haven't actually had a grizzly bear in California in almost a century. It's time for a new symbol. While the Bald Eagle nests here natively, maybe can we adopt the Golden Eagle instead. I mean, that's a pretty loving majestic bird: Plus, they prey on virtually anything, even livestock. There was a series of rather gruesome photos posted on the NPS website for a while of a golden eagle killing and eating a bighorn sheep. That's a good symbol for a fledgling Republic.
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- CalExit is never happening, so it isn't worth talking about in any way, unless it's to discuss revolutionary new eco friendly power & water generation that suddenly make it feasible in real life. - The Bear Republic flag is great, you shut your whore mouth. Fuckin' people just wanting to change things for the sake of changing them. - Absent the revolutionary technologies mentioned above, the most appropriate symbols for an independent California would be a gasping fish out of water, or perhaps a tortoise on its back.
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Dec 3, 2016 17:18
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Dead Reckoning posted:- Absent the revolutionary technologies mentioned above, the most appropriate symbols for an independent California would be a gasping fish out of water, or perhaps a tortoise on its back. Fields of dying almond trees would work too. No, I'm not mad about them wanting to dam the last mostly undammed river in California, why do you ask?
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Dec 3, 2016 18:11
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A White Guy posted:If Calexit ever comes to be more than a meme in a DnD thread, can we get a new flag? The Bear Flag is great and all except, well, we haven't actually had a grizzly bear in California in almost a century. It's time for a new symbol. While the Bald Eagle nests here natively, maybe can we adopt the Golden Eagle instead. I mean, that's a pretty loving majestic bird: Snakes too, or so I've been led to believe. 
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Dec 3, 2016 18:13
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Dead Reckoning posted:- The Bear Republic flag is great, you shut your whore mouth. Fuckin' people just wanting to change things for the sake of changing them. A railroad mallet and pickaxe would reflect better on the history of our budding socialist state. 
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Dec 3, 2016 18:53
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Or reintroduce the brown bear to California. 
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Dec 3, 2016 20:03
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Ron Jeremy posted:Snakes too, or so I've been led to believe. That flag kicks rear end.
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Dec 3, 2016 20:45
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VikingofRock posted:It just occurred to me that if we do #Calexit we might get the President Brown and California nationalism that Jello Biafra promised us. Dead Reckoning posted:- CalExit is never happening, so it isn't worth talking about in any way, unless it's to discuss revolutionary new eco friendly power & water generation that suddenly make it feasible in real life. He says, after Brexit and Trump. For the record, I think it's a terrible idea and is exactly the attitude that led Democrats to abandon "Red America." But it's a "joke" that I hear more and more frequently. It should be shouted down for the stupidity that it is. I could absolutely see Calexit and other insane poo poo like State of Jefferson continuing to gain currency. gently caress Calexit and gently caress anyone who even brings it up as a joke.
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i would vote for calexit for laughs tbh and also because gently caress california and everyone in it, 63% yes on prop 63, why cant we sink into the ocean already
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Dec 4, 2016 01:10
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The Calexit twitter (YesCalifornia) I have blocked for some reason that happened before they changed their handle to that and wiped their history, they're probably some other crazy libertarian group that rebranded and didn't appreciate me mocking them years ago, maybe a split California into 6 states group.
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Dec 4, 2016 01:25
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Ron Jeremy posted:Snakes too, or so I've been led to believe. A perfect flag in response to the gadsden
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The California Condor is the correct symbol of California. On the one hand, it's a bird that we've brought back from the very edge of extinction, by caring about the environment and making an effort to save a critically endangered species. And, much like California, it's the biggest - the largest North American land bird, with a wingspan of almost ten feet. And it's mostly due to California's efforts that now garbage states like Utah and Arizona get to have this bird back again. At enormous expense, mind you, no Republican would think of spending $35M to save one endangered species. On the other hand, it's a hideous giant vulture that eats rotten roadkill. Look at this majestic animal:  Look into it's eye. That expression is 100% "gently caress You." Perfect. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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drat straight.Tars Tarkas posted:The Calexit twitter (YesCalifornia) I have blocked for some reason that happened before they changed their handle to that and wiped their history, they're probably some other crazy libertarian group that rebranded and didn't appreciate me mocking them years ago, maybe a split California into 6 states group. Yes California used to want to make California kind of a special administrative region kind of thing. You probably mocked them because it didn't make any loving sense with regard to American domestic politics. Now, of course, American domestic politics has proven itself absurd and Yes California has gotten honest - although the bottled water thing could stand to be removed from their political platform; it just screams 'we totally have our priorities in order we swear'.
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Leperflesh posted:The California Condor is the correct symbol of California.
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Dec 4, 2016 02:19
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Flying condor looks pretty badass. I'd be ok with dat bird on the flag.
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Dec 4, 2016 03:08
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The flag should be a California Condor picking at the corpse of the rest of the US after 4 years of Trump. 
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Leperflesh posted:The California Condor is the correct symbol of California. This post is perfect.
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Leperflesh posted:The California Condor is the correct symbol of California. 
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Dec 4, 2016 04:14
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A condor riding on a bear, smoking a weed
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Dec 4, 2016 04:33
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Leperflesh posted:Look into it's eye. That expression is 100% "gently caress You." Perfect. Nah, that's the expression of "I'm waiting for you to die so I can eat you" Huh. Maybe the same thing.
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HelloSailorSign posted:Nah, that's the expression of "I'm waiting for you to die so I can eat you" Retroactively changing my vote to California Condor. That metaphor is too perfect. Can we still reintroduce the brown bear though?
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Bueno Papi posted:Retroactively changing my vote to California Condor. That metaphor is too perfect. Can we still reintroduce the brown bear though? We don't have the desalinization plants we'd need for the resulting right-wing NIMBY tears about their trash getting raided.
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Bueno Papi posted:Retroactively changing my vote to California Condor. That metaphor is too perfect. Can we still reintroduce the brown bear though? We're still working on the wolves.A mother and her pups was spotted by a camera in Siskiyou county early this year, so it'll be interesting to see how we can accommodate an apex predator(that preys on livestock) in California through the next few decades. It'll be a while before anybody seriously considering bringing the Grizzly back to the continental US. They're fiercely territorial and don't take poo poo from anybody (except older, larger grizzlies), two traits which don't really work that well when you're trying to exist near human habitation. There's a reason why the black bear was never eradicated, and it's precisely because they generally are too skittish to gently caress with livestock.
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Dec 4, 2016 07:20
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There are grizzlies in the continental US. Yellowstone is lousy with them.
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Leperflesh posted:There are grizzlies in the continental US. Yellowstone is lousy with them. Castro has them too.
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Guys, i'd like to pause the sceedcrafting to hit up some real rear end "bad poo poo". I think I touched on this before in a previous post, but I just saw an update on OCWeekly that gave the Orange County DA office a literal bitch slap from The California Court of Appeal. For those who don't know, or don't care, about the dealing in Orange County here is a short recap about a crime in OC (seal beach to be specific): Dude runs up on a hair salon where his ex-wife works and shot her and other people inside, killing 8. Your bog standard mass shooting in America. Full breakdown here Dude completely confessed to all of it. Full stop. Should have been a slam dunk guilty case. However that doesn't end this story. See, the Orange County District attorney office (OCDA) has been colluding with the Sheriff dept (who run the jail) (OCSD) to run a secret insider informant program to try and hook people for larger crimes (death penalty). Also cops lying, providing inconsistent testimony, etc. They wanted to get the defendant, Scott Dekraai, all the way to the chair. There was one judge that wasn't having any of it. Because of the horrendous conflicts of interest Judge Thomas M. Goethals kicked the entire bench of the OCDA off the case and handed it to the state AG. Of course the OCDA retaliated and forced all their cases to be moved from his bench. The California Court of Appeal affirmed Judge Goethals removal of the OCDA late last month. Ruling Here. They also affirmed several other things that a Parallel Grand jury is looking into into the OCSD informant program. This program has already caused some sweet plea deals to defendants over the use of the program. quote:The OCDA‟s primary function is to prosecute crimes in Orange County. In that capacity, it must exercise its vast discretion justly and fairly to ensure every defendant is treated fairly, regardless of the severity of the charged offenses. Here, the evidence demonstrated the OCDA had an interest extraneous to its official duties—its loyalty to the OCSD and its desire to protect the OCSD at the expense of Dekraai‟s constitutional and statutory rights. This abdication of the OCDA‟s fiduciary duty violated Dekraai‟s due process rights. To this the OCDA had this to say quote:"No matter who handles this case, the OCDA believes that these murders were callous, cruel, and committed with a malignant heart. The defendant deserves the ultimate punishment of death,” the statement said.
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Probably just a few bad apples.
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Not even that. Their response was basically, "yes, we allegedly committed some super serious violations, but irrespective of that fact, the defendant is an rear end in a top hat who deserves to fry."
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Dec 4, 2016 23:54
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Elected prosecutors respond the public's bloodthirst and focus on "tough on crime." Should we let politicians appoint DAs instead? I'm not sure if it'd be better.
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Leperflesh posted:Elected prosecutors respond the public's bloodthirst and focus on "tough on crime." Should we let politicians appoint DAs instead? I'm not sure if it'd be better. Implement a policy by which only public defenders can become DAs. 
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And judges should have to be both, for years, but we just elect them, too. Also, traffic court is a farce, and family court isn't much better. And cops should not be incentivized to collude with the DA and lie on the stand and falsify evidence, and they should have to get at least a two-year degree in law and civil rights. Oh and I'm pretty sure jail doesn't work. Like, for anything. Oh! And statutory laws should have to allow a mens rea defense. I could keep going but maybe lets just start by getting rid of plea bargaining?
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stone cold posted:Implement a policy by which only public defenders can become DAs. Leperflesh posted:I could keep going but maybe lets just start by getting rid of plea bargaining?
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Leperflesh posted:There are grizzlies in the continental US. Yellowstone is lousy with them. Leperflesh posted:Elected prosecutors respond the public's bloodthirst and focus on "tough on crime." Should we let politicians appoint DAs instead? I'm not sure if it'd be better.
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cheese posted:From a backpacking and outdoor sports perspective, it does sort of suck that the Sierras are so tame now. Worst you will run into is a skittish black bear the size of a big dog stealing your food at night. Being in a place like the Canadian Rockies or Yellowstone that has 1k pound grizzlies out there really adds a little something else to the experience. This month last year, a wolf pack definitely killed and ate a cow calf. With wolves coming back into the Sierras, I imagine that tameness (eg the thousands of white tail deer casually eating out of trash cans in campgrounds) will begin to fade. I can't wait . Yeah sure, ranchers will have to learn to deal with wolves but maybe that will open up jobs/new opportunities for people to deal with wolves predating cattle. Leperflesh posted:I could keep going but maybe lets just start by getting rid of plea bargaining? No. My stepbrother is a recovering addict and he was caught with a felonious amount of heroin this time a few years ago. Under the terms of his plea bargain, he avoided a felony and went to rehab and has so far, hasn't used again. Without plea bargaining, he would be doing ten to twenty years in a federal prison for possession with intent to sell.
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Also I thought plea bargains are one of the big reasons we don't have organized crime quite like we used to. (That other stuff sounds good though.)
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Dec 5, 2016 10:42
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I'm surprised no one has said anything yet about the rampant slum conditions that lead to the Oakland Ghost Ship fire. I lost a close friend there and half the poo poo I see posted in news and blogs either leans toward saying or says outright that it was the artists' faults for being poor and living in a building that didn't meet code. I've also heard that some weird zoning rules meant the property owners paid almost no taxes on it and just collected profit every month, so it's not like they couldn't have used some of that money to give the place a sprinkler system and wiring that wouldn't eventually cause the horrific deaths of dozens of creatives. These people were there because there's nowhere else they could afford to be. Gentrification is literally killing people in the Bay.
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Oklands Gentrification is the byproduct of the hellish NIMBY conditions in SF proper. No way to honestly build new affordable housing and that only accelerated what's happening to oakland. I mean we had a whole sweep in the 1920s about deplorable living conditions for poor and working class people, I think we need revisit this to educate the population. This could backfire however because it's starving creative types, and not meatpackers family 5 to a room.
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I'm very sorry about your friend. I've been reading the East Bay Times (eastbaytimes.com) which has been good about covering context.
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You can tell which side the news reporters are on if they call it "an artists collective" or "a rave".
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