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Coxswain Balls posted:https://globalnews.ca/news/4539972/manitoba-businesses-job-preparedness-high-school/amp/ There are few organizations I'd like to see go up in flames as much as the CFIB and CTF
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DariusLikewise posted:I think only 2 candidates said they would keep expanding active transportation, Bowman and football guy(Don Woodstock) Bowman it is, then. Now I just gotta figure out the rest...
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Coxswain Balls posted:https://globalnews.ca/news/4539972/manitoba-businesses-job-preparedness-high-school/amp/ quote:“In Manitoba, the province has started involving the business community in the creation of curriculums and trying to insert certain skills that business owners value the most, like critical thinking, professionalism and basic literacy skills,” said Hayes. "We want people to be critical enough thinkers to be self-reliant, but not enough to realize that paying them poo poo-all is a loving scam"
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Oct 12, 2018 16:54
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"Let's insert basic literacy and critical thinking into the education curriculum, a thing that does not currently contain those things."
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Oct 12, 2018 16:56
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The idea of business having being able to shape curriculum is terrifying. In BC, when they were bringing in the new curriculum under the Liberals, the plan involved no budget for textbooks. Instead, teachers were told “you can find everything online!”. Not only that, but a website was also created asking teachers to submit projects, units and lesson plans they created themselves for no remuneration. Of course, some excellent and very motivated teachers began to do exactly that and once again, the budget is cut on the backs of teachers. As the less motivated teachers, or simply those without enough time to develop all their own stuff, I have seen earth sciences resources developed by Canadian mining companies. I also remember hearing that Enbridge was making some as well. It without saying that the mining stuff was corporate propaganda, though informative. I can’t imagine what the Enbridge stuff is like seeing how intellectually dishonest a company they are at every opportunity. Since I moved from Vancouver, I don’t know what the impact of the new NDP government is on the system and I would love to hear it if anyone has any updates.
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berenzen posted:"We want people to be critical enough thinkers to be self-reliant, but not enough to realize that paying them poo poo-all is a loving scam" That's what's making me think that the education system is doing a decent enough job if kids are smart enough to not let themselves get screwed around like that. Glad I took up a policy of avoiding places with the CFIB sticker and always looking for better alternatives when I do end up finding one.
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Oct 12, 2018 17:09
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Christopher Lee never died, he just moved to Winnipeg.
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HookShot posted:Christopher Lee never died, he just moved to Winnipeg. Surely a fate worse than death.
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The other guy I respect from that debate was the guy who clearly only enter the mayoral race so he could get on a stage with Bowman and grill him over the value of city contracts. That's incredible dedication and he knew the price of every city service and contract off the top of his head. I also enjoyed the one guy that appeared to try and accuse Bowman of taking money from the firefighters union to take a trip and clearly had no evidence of such. I think he brought up rumours he heard and stuff like that a few times and kept getting shut down by the moderator immediately. He's the guy that wants to send people bills for getting arrested the same way the city bills people for call an ambulance. Motkaluks non-answer on whether or not there's a conflict of interest on one of her brothers having 19 million in city road repair contracts shows how awful of a candidate she really is.
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In Victoria is really hard to determine who actually supports what and what 'side' of various issues they're on. You'll read 6 different candidates answer the same question seemingly in support but need to read through the lines and look for dog-whistles or sometimes outright assume they're not being entirely truthful because for the last 10 years they've made their much stronger opinion on X or Y much more clear. This Stephen "don't call me right wing I used to be involved with the federal liberals!!!" Hammond and his "new council" party has me worried because they are doing the classic liberal "campaign from the left, govern from the right" thing the federal liberals do. They're absolutely a right wing party that wants to get "tough" on the homeless, protect the property values of home owners above addressing affordability, "protect" parking and peoples right to drive, and generally bring austerity to city hall. But they know they're running in Victoria so have aggressively positioned them selves as the "common sense centre, maybe even centre left" party knowing victoria doesn't have an appetite for actual conservatives. Still dropping enough dog whistles to let the right wing know who they are of course. Like they'll get up in front of a panel on the affordability crisis and talk about how it's the most important problem facing the city, but then later make a bunch of statements about how we need to protect the character of our neighborhoods, fight against rampant in-fill development and the spectre of multi-family haunting our single-family neighbourhoods. They'll fall over them selves to say how much they love bikes and how great cycling is and how we need to get more people out of their cars, but then say they'll only build more bike lanes if local businesses approve of them (they never ever do) and how they also won't approve any sort of bike or pedestrian improvements that involve the loss of any parking because the loss of parking is all part of the war on cars. They'll get all emotional about how deeply they care about homeless people and how they volunteered once so clearly have pro-homeless bonefides but maybe we need to crack some skulls the moment anything resembling a tent city forms or a tourist or small business customer is spooked by a panhandler. We need our city services to be well funded, we need more childcare options, we need more recreation options especially for low income families, but you know, you gotta also run the city like a business.... Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Oct 12, 2018 |
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ARACHTION posted:The idea of business having being able to shape curriculum is terrifying. In BC, when they were bringing in the new curriculum under the Liberals, the plan involved no budget for textbooks. Instead, teachers were told “you can find everything online!”. Not only that, but a website was also created asking teachers to submit projects, units and lesson plans they created themselves for no remuneration. The future of our education system is everyone imitating Oklahoma's, where oil and gas companies write the science curriculum and everyone else just accepts it because they get it for free. One step closer to a cyberpunk world where we're educated in corporate-branded schools so we can grow up and work for the corporations that raised us.
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I didn't see this posted, an interview with the (now retired) Canadian envoy to Saudi Arabia who was expelled after the global affair's recent twitter diplomacy. Some interesting parts:CBC posted:'A serious overreaction': Ex-Canadian ambassador to Saudi Arabia breaks silence on tweet-fuelled clash On the one had his main complaint is that Canada didn't treat the violent regressive monarchy gently enough, and that Canada's previously microscopic influence is now identically zero. On the other hand he makes clear that the Saudi govt massively over-reacted and Canada shouldn't apologize. However recent grisly events made it a presciently good time to get into a massive dispute with Saudi Arabia's monarchy. Who's going to criticize the Trudeau govt right now for not backing down and apologizing for their diplomatic blunder?
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https://twitter.com/alicjawithaj/status/1050749113963343872 lol
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Coxswain Balls posted:https://globalnews.ca/news/4539972/manitoba-businesses-job-preparedness-high-school/amp/ quote:well when schools change how they grade kids to cater more towards girls of course this will happen. 50% nationwide (heard this on cjob) let alone 61% in manitoba is horrendous.
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Oct 12, 2018 17:49
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lol is that person on loving drugs or something? "Boys are fragile idiots, can't we go back to the way it used to be when we coddled them? It's good for business, you see!"
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Stephen.... my dude....... https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/1050798309416337409
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When I went through school in Edmonton in the late 90s through to the end of the 00s the boys were always outnumbered by the girls. In elementary school alone in a class of 30 kids there was never more than 10 boys. I don't know what the gently caress that person is talking about with catering towards girls but, uh, majority rules? What does that even mean? How do you quantify that education systems are biased towards a specific gender?
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Pinterest Mom posted:Stephen.... my dude....... Old rich white man threatened by the erosion of power structures that benefit old rich white men, but not afraid of the old rich white man who keeps those structures in place? Why I never.
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Aces High posted:When I went through school in Edmonton in the late 90s through to the end of the 00s the boys were always outnumbered by the girls. In elementary school alone in a class of 30 kids there was never more than 10 boys. I don't know what the gently caress that person is talking about with catering towards girls but, uh, majority rules? How was there such an imbalance? Were half of boys dropping out of elementary school? That seems really weird.
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Haha go gently caress yourself Stephen.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Stephen.... my dude....... incoherent and stupid even for Harper.
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Aces High posted:How do you quantify that education systems are biased towards a specific gender? You look at outcomes. Where do people end up after graduating from the education system? It's clear that the best action one could apply to the education of Canadian children is to prepare them for a life of lower-middle-class servitude as disposable and easily-replaceable minions in small businesses (you know, the true heart of the real Canadian economy). Critical thinking should extend to recognizing the boss' need for constant flattery while not extending quite as far as demanding some kind of recognition for valuable skills, seniority of service, or even basic human dignity. Literacy should allow the worker to receive packages and stock shelves, but never to the point of reading an actual book. And professionalism is a nice name for "doesn't talk back to the boss". Small businesses are micro-empires, built to satisfy the vanity of the entrepreneur. "My boss is an rear end in a top hat" is far more common among workers at small businesses or franchises than at larger organisations - at a big company, you can always hope for a transfer, either yourself or your lovely boss. I hope I spot and recognize the CFIB sticker next time I'm out spending money, so I can avoid that particular itty-bitty hellhole. EDIT: much better said here: https://raisethehammer.org/article/2113/why_doesnt_the_cfib_support_me ExecuDork fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Oct 12, 2018 |
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Pinterest Mom posted:Stephen.... my dude....... Good.
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Aces High posted:When I went through school in Edmonton in the late 90s through to the end of the 00s the boys were always outnumbered by the girls. In elementary school alone in a class of 30 kids there was never more than 10 boys. I don't know what the gently caress that person is talking about with catering towards girls but, uh, majority rules? If you go on Facebook and look at the comments there people seem to be upset that schooling is gravitating more and more towards grading kids based on attendance, homework and participation rather than testing. I think that person in particular seems to think that favours girls over boys I guess? Everyone else seems to think a class that teaches you life skills is all school should be which is also stupid as hell.
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DariusLikewise posted:If you go on Facebook and look at the comments there people seem to be upset that schooling is gravitating more and more towards grading kids based on attendance, homework and participation rather than testing. I think that person in particular seems to think that favours girls over boys I guess? Everyone else seems to think a class that teaches you life skills is all school should be which is also stupid as hell. Our local school district no longer gives out letter grades at all until Grade 9 
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HookShot posted:Our local school district no longer gives out letter grades at all until Grade 9 Oh no, what are they going to do next? Get rid of "God save the queen" first thing in the morning!?
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Fuckin love this guy. "But they are at least trying to fix what they see ails democratic, capitalist, market-oriented societies and my fear is if they don’t have success or if conservatives do not adapt to the political pressures that are driving these movements, my concern is we will have the left-wing version of that, which will be anti-market, which will be socialist or Marxist economics, which I believe would turn us in an irreversible, downturn direction." Tldr scheer sucks
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DariusLikewise posted:...grading kids based on attendance, homework and participation rather than testing. People that bitch about this are the dumbest loving people. Intelligence does not equal the ability to regurgitate memorized information that somebody can easily look up online. But that's how they were taught, and anything new is bad and wrong, because then they can't regurgitate it at their local pub trivia night.
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Baronjutter posted:How was there such an imbalance? Were half of boys dropping out of elementary school? That seems really weird. I might not be recalling exact numbers correctly but I remember there always being more girls than boys in every class I attended, from grade 1 through to university. I think the split was actually 40-60, still in favour of girls, but I do also recall that some boys that I grew up with not returning and not from dropping out, those kids had behavioural problems and troubles at home  . University it made more sense because I went into music, specifically voice, and there sure as hell are not a lot of men interested in the arts at that level. In theory it makes getting work easier but there has to be paid work available for that  Actually, the arts is a great place to look when it comes to exploitation because most professionals, myself included, will tell you that we don't pay our rent through our performance, we pay for it at the same lovely service jobs everyone else has to get. I'll bet these CFIB people are of the type that pay artists in "exposure" when they ask us to perform at functions, or the type to raise a huff over having to pay anything to see a fully staged opera, or to see an orchestra. It is unfortunate because it poisons the community as well, and I have seen colleagues bully others if they find out that they have other skills.
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DariusLikewise posted:Oh no, what are they going to do next? Get rid of "God save the queen" first thing in the morning!? Yes, how dare kids get an actual statistical idea of how good they are at school before they're 15, let's just give everyone a pat on the back up until then and then let real life hit them in the face.
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Yeah definitely what my 9 year old needs to worry about is whether or not he gets a C instead of a B.
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Jordan7hm posted:Yeah definitely what my 9 year old needs to worry about is whether or not he gets a C instead of a B. I'm not saying nine year olds should get letter grades. TBH I don't think elementary kids should get them. But starting in grade 9, when universities want your marks starting in grade 10, seems extremely excessive to me. It doesn't give the kids that might need a couple years to adapt to that new method of grading any time at all to get used to the new system before it's like "oh and btw these marks are getting sent to colleges for you and also determine if you're allowed into certain grade 11 and 12 classes".
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Also I hosed up there's no letter grades from grades 4 to 9, so it's in grade 10 that they start getting letter grades.
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Helsing posted:Good. Tories are loving shook about Corbyn  https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1048383117617233921 https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1048786336759603200 https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1047169015418957826 https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1047173997866242049 and of course LibDems still don't loving get it lmoa https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1047209082485190656 Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Oct 12, 2018 |
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This is what the NDP should be seeing and following. Even if you don't win elections, scare the poo poo out of the right so they're forced to be less monstrous. Shift that loving overton window, the true war is in actually altering the ideology of people, not finding one weird campaign trick to win an extra seat here or there. The question shouldn't be "What can we say or do to win votes in Canada's current ideological climate?" but "What can we say or do to change Canada's current ideological climate". Don't chase after centrist votes, radicalize centrists.
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I don't disagree with you, but  if you think the right's response will be 'adopt less monstrous policies' and not 'reach out to the extreme right'.HookShot posted:I'm not saying nine year olds should get letter grades. TBH I don't think elementary kids should get them. But starting in grade 9, when universities want your marks starting in grade 10, seems extremely excessive to me. It doesn't give the kids that might need a couple years to adapt to that new method of grading any time at all to get used to the new system before it's like "oh and btw these marks are getting sent to colleges for you and also determine if you're allowed into certain grade 11 and 12 classes". What universities are asking for Grade 10 marks? I just checked the U of Calgary (my alma mater) website, and the only thing they seem to care about at all are Grade 12 marks.
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HookShot posted:Yes, how dare kids get an actual statistical idea of how good they are at school before they're 15, let's just give everyone a pat on the back up until then and then let real life hit them in the face. How many times in your adult life(at work) have you be forced into a testing situation and assigned a letter grade afterwards? The pattern of memorization, test and grade is archaic
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DariusLikewise posted:How many times in your adult life(at work) have you be forced into a testing situation and assigned a letter grade afterwards? The pattern of memorization, test and grade is archaic Don't give kids grades, give them KPIs.
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PittTheElder posted:I don't disagree with you, but Universities are going to care about specific classes more than specific grades, though scholarships might care about your grade 10 class grades. That being said, there are classes you can take in grade 10 that could be counted towards getting into university. Going to use Alberta class system here, because it's what I grew up on, but you could technically be judged by a Math 20 or Science/Bio/Phys/Chem 20 class that you took in grade 10 if you didn't take those classes to a higher level.
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DariusLikewise posted:How many times in your adult life(at work) have you be forced into a testing situation and assigned a letter grade afterwards? The pattern of memorization, test and grade is archaic Over the past two years, seven times.
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