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Kurzon posted:Section 31 is so secretive, it doesn't want people to know it even exists. That must put a lot of constraints on what it can do. It should affect how it can acquire funding, what assets it can use, what actions it can take, what authority it can assert. The existence of the Tal'Shiar and Obsidian Order are open knowledge, which means they can operate starships and they can assert their authority over people. The last time S31 tried being out in the open it caused Disco S2.
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Jun 30, 2021 12:45
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Technowolf posted:The last time S31 tried being out in the open it caused Disco S2. This is one event the timeships are all scrambling to prevent. Eventually they just let Discovery shunt itself into the future so the mess was easier to reach
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Jun 30, 2021 13:11
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Enterprise suffers from the temporal cold war stuff and not really embracing the past. That's why season 4 I think works really well. What brought the Federation together, how did these species find common ground? Instead it went off on this whole thing about races we never heard of and messing up the Klingon First Contact story. For a show that was a prequel it was so hesitant to embrace the past and look for the stories there. And they wasted Scott Bakula which should put people in TV prison forever.
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Jun 30, 2021 14:50
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I mean, remember that for the first couple of seasons the show was just called ‘Enterprise’
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Jun 30, 2021 14:54
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No one remembers the first few seasons of enterprise they are so unengaging they remember season 3 and like 4 episodes from it and maybe season four for like 4 episodes total
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Jun 30, 2021 14:56
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Axe-man posted:No one remembers the first few seasons of enterprise they are so unengaging they remember season 3 and like 4 episodes from it and maybe season four for like 4 episodes total It’s very forgettable outside of a handful of episodes, most of them involving the Andorians.
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Jun 30, 2021 14:57
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Mooseontheloose posted:Enterprise suffers from the temporal cold war stuff and not really embracing the past. That's why season 4 I think works really well. What brought the Federation together, how did these species find common ground? Instead it went off on this whole thing about races we never heard of and messing up the Klingon First Contact story. For a show that was a prequel it was so hesitant to embrace the past and look for the stories there. Enterprise spits on it's starting premise even faster and in more insulting fashion than Voyager did, which is an achievement in itself given how uninterested in it's core concept Voyager was
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Jun 30, 2021 15:25
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Profit & Lace was pretty bad
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Jun 30, 2021 15:38
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Imagine if they went with their idea for the first season of Enterprise where they don't launch the ship until the season finale.
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Jun 30, 2021 15:55
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I accept the final episode as real and canon if only because it allows them to do it again and reveal all of Disco was a holodeck simulation
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Jun 30, 2021 16:09
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Frakes faces the camera: "It's fantasy. All of it. Everything you've seen has been a fabrication. The holodeck? We made it up. A flight of fancy. Figments of the imagination."
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Jun 30, 2021 16:12
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I also accept it as Riker messing up the simulation by trying to sequence break it or Barclay adding the kidnapping subplot to liven the program up.
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Jun 30, 2021 16:13
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Brawnfire posted:Frakes faces the camera: "It's fantasy. All of it. Everything you've seen has been a fabrication. The holodeck? We made it up. A flight of fancy. Figments of the imagination." Or do like they did in the last episode of Moonlighting, where the characters arrive to find the main set being dismantled because the show is cancelled.
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Jun 30, 2021 16:20
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I like Enterprise but there's some S1 episode with the most hilariously uneventful cold-open in franchise history. Can't recall the episode offhand (common ENT problem I guess!  ) but it legit came off as a TNG Edit gag.
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Jun 30, 2021 16:21
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"Michael had almost figured out she was in a simulation we thought, but then we started just rewarding every idiotic action she made, and she convinced herself. And now, she can exist where she belongs.... on picard's desk next to moriarty."
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Jun 30, 2021 16:25
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Minidust posted:I like Enterprise but there's some S1 episode with the most hilariously uneventful cold-open in franchise history. Can't recall the episode offhand (common ENT problem I guess! I don’t know if you’re referring to this one, but there’s an Enterprise episode that opens with T’Pol just sitting in her quarters, and then gets called to the bridge. That’s it. Cue Faith of the Heart.
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Jun 30, 2021 16:32
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I thought it was Mayweather reading a book. Maybe it was both.Eighties ZomCom posted:I also accept it as Riker messing up the simulation by trying to sequence break it or Barclay adding the kidnapping subplot to liven the program up. Maybe everything in the holoprogram was 100% accurate except Barclay reprogrammed it to kill Trip so he could get with T'pol
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Sir Lemming posted:I thought it was Mayweather reading a book. Maybe it was both. Was it a page of Harry Potter he was reading?
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Jun 30, 2021 17:28
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I accept the final episode as real and canon if only because it allows them to do it again and reveal all of Disco was a holodeck simulation It's clearly not canon as the holodeck gives riker his clothes instead of him having to wear them into the holodeck
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Jun 30, 2021 17:29
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Eighties ZomCom posted:I also accept it as Riker messing up the simulation by trying to sequence break it or Barclay adding the kidnapping subplot to liven the program up. I've always figured that so much crazy poo poo happened to the NX-01 both temporal and political that its logs were never fully declassified, so the holodeck was either showing a weird hatchet job someone at Starfleet wrote centuries ago or was forced to extrapolate from surviving/unredacted records with a wild margin of error. Basically, don't trust the holodeck, and also Starfleet has on occasion quietly buried chunks of its history even without Section 31, so maybe don't trust their official accounts either 
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Delsaber posted:I've always figured that so much crazy poo poo happened to the NX-01 both temporal and political that its logs were never fully declassified, so the holodeck was either showing a weird hatchet job someone at Starfleet wrote centuries ago or was forced to extrapolate from surviving/unredacted records with a wild margin of error. Computer play Birth of the Federation: Tales from the NX-01 by President Archer
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Jun 30, 2021 18:01
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Mooseontheloose posted:Computer play Birth of the Federation Better hope the Enterprise doesn’t run Windows 10
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skasion posted:Better hope the Enterprise doesn’t run Windows 10 Enterpise computers clearly all run XP ver 4000.1.16.2005
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Jun 30, 2021 18:08
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Mooseontheloose posted:Enterpise computers clearly all run XP ver 4000.1.16.2005 Hopefully that's a 64-bit version
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Jun 30, 2021 18:10
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skasion posted:Better hope the Enterprise doesn’t run Windows 10 Quick, have the Bynars make a TPM for it so they can upgrade to Windows 11.
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Jun 30, 2021 18:17
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Terror Sweat posted:It's clearly not canon as the holodeck gives riker his clothes instead of him having to wear them into the holodeck They're holographic clothes. Riker walked into the holodeck naked. He does that a lot.
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Jun 30, 2021 19:28
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The Voyager Conspiracy is a fun episode, but there's something that always bothered me. WHERE DID THAT TRACTOR BEAM COME FROM I mean... No one ever tries to debunk that one. There's a cloaked ship using a tractor beam at the array and everyone just sort of ignored it
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Jun 30, 2021 20:45
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Section 31 is funded by The Illusive Man I mean, Q was rocking some pretty TIM-looking threads in the latest trailer for Picard...
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Jun 30, 2021 21:31
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In the episode Identity Crisis, I wonder if they ever scanned Riker and Worf (and hell, maybe even Data) for the same parasite thing. I mean, they've been to the planet now too, which is all it took for Geordi and the others to get it five years ago. In five years, are THEY going to mutate and glow under blacklights and steal shuttles to go "home", and make Bev slap her forehead and go "I KNEW there was something I was forgetting!"?
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Jun 30, 2021 21:49
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Sash! posted:The Voyager Conspiracy is a fun episode, but there's something that always bothered me. I figured it was the guy building his catapult that took it
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Jun 30, 2021 23:11
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Surely the Federation would authorise a temporal rescue mission to pick up a little girl who fell through a portal onto an unoccupied planet, with one of their half dozen methods of time travel. Just swing in and pick her up twenty seconds after she arrives.
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Jul 1, 2021 07:42
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counter point - O'Brian is listed as father.
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Axe-man posted:counter point - O'Brian is listed as father. "The file says that O'Brien suffering sever mental trauma is a fixed point in history. Sorry cap'n, we can't touch it. Oh, but we've got another 'someone goes back in time and tries to kill Hitler' we can do instead though. Yeah, it's Beckett Mariner this time. Again."
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That episode really wasted an interesting premise
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 https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1410437425042657284?s=20 e: no, actually, https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1410439164789616647?s=20
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Is this person a well known brainworms haver?
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Jul 1, 2021 16:27
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no clue, someone I follow retweeted it but it literally made me do a double-take
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8one6 posted:Is this person a well known brainworms haver? he's got some other bangers like "ursula leguin is a reactionary" yes E: no wait I'm mixing up my bad Noah takes, apologies StashAugustine fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jul 1, 2021 |
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Bullbar posted:Surely the Federation would authorise a temporal rescue mission to pick up a little girl who fell through a portal onto an unoccupied planet, with one of their half dozen methods of time travel. Just swing in and pick her up twenty seconds after she arrives. But, y'know, twice in the show they tapdance over that ethical concern on their way back to the status quo, so the DS9 crew are resultingly and canonically kind of lovely about orphaning timelines.
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